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Journalism and cycling

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭mr spuckler



    as the witness in this case (I've posted here previously about the restorative justice component of her avoiding a conviction) I can't properly express how annoyed I am at the bullsh1t that's been reported here. not faulting the reporting btw, I don't doubt this is an accurate reflection of what was said in court.
    judge from the shadows etc in the video yourself the likelihood of the sun being in her eyes and bear in mind she was travelling westbound at 10am...
    and the victim certainly did not cycle off straight away, or at all. she walked away with her bike several minutes after the incident, following a conversation with the driver who stopped her car and got out to check on her...

    I'm not questioning the level of the sanction btw, but for the guard (who I otherwise was quite positive about) to agree that the sun was in her eyes is ridiculous.


    Bizarre that the victim couldn't be traced, yet a witness was able to get the case all the way to court.

    video evidence ftw.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    This is idiotic stuff altogether from the cyclist in particular.
    Stand to the side, let the truck past, and get on with enjoying your ride. I'd even suggest a wave from each one to the other to acknowledge the off situation of such a big truck on such a narrow road.
    Indeed, regardless of whether the truck should have been there or not, the truck stopped, even made a suggestion on how to get around, even offered to carry the bike around for him. Now the truck should not have been there but it doesn't take away from the absolute muppetry of the cyclist. Bike on your shoulder, stand in off the road, if the truck being there pisses you off, take a photo and send it to the PSNI, they are better at dealing with such things.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,182 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i would be curious about what led to that situation, we certainly only get a snapshot of it. and the guy taking the video didn't think to upload footage where the cyclist is speaking, nor provide any context.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle


    i would be curious about what led to that situation, we certainly only get a snapshot of it. and the guy taking the video didn't think to upload footage where the cyclist is speaking, nor provide any context.

    The video mutes as soon as the cyclist starts talking which is weird


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines



    video evidence ftw.

    Have front and back cameras and this stuff just keeps validating them.

    Funny what you mention about court reporting. I had a story about me/family in the media a while back, it actually went pretty big and I ended up writing out a template email with bullet points of all the info journalists were after. If someone emailed, I’d reply with the template and say to ask any other questions of they needed. It was unreal how the story got changed when printed, even when they had all the facts. And this wasn’t putting a slight spin on things, it was incorrect ages, time frames, etc. It’s been hard to trust most media stories since.

    Fair play to you sticking with it and getting it through to court. Gas how westbound at 10am and still got away with sun in eyes excuse.


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 53,182 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    yes, i read it as the cyclist being silent because he's taking details (he seems to peer past his interlocutor at one point, I think towards the cab). the driver was certainly keen to only upload footage which flattered the driver, and that alone would leave me sitting on the fence as to who was in the wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    ignore me if you read my posts in between (now deleted). I got confused in the overlap between the truck incident and my video above!


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,064 Mod ✭✭✭✭CramCycle




    video evidence ftw.
    Sun is behind you, light is actually at a slight angle, so it would have been to her left and slightly behind the driver. Even common sense of where the incident occured and the time would have shown that, but nonetheless, well done on getting it to court.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,395 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Matt Cooper this evening will be discussing the documentary about what he phrases Cyclists and their role in Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    CramCycle wrote: »
    Sun is behind you, light is actually at a slight angle, so it would have been to her left and slightly behind the driver. Even common sense of where the incident occured and the time would have shown that, but nonetheless, well done on getting it to court.

    from the first hearing in September I knew it would be struck out pending her completion of this restorative justice thing so the outcome is no surprise. the fact that they introduced this nonsense to excuse her careless driving is really annoying.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    mr.spruckler- fair play for seeing this to court. I was witness to a similar incident 18 months back where a taxi knocked off a cyclist at that narrow stretch of the south quays just after Parliament St. The cyclist wasn't reporting it (she was in shock tbh) so I did. It ended up with the taxi driver getting a talking to but in fairness to him before that happened he reported himself for causing the accident so at least he was aware he messed up by trying to over take a cyclist on a very narrow part of the quays.

    Anyway was wondering if the court accepted your video as evidence in the case? Did the defence try to question the authenticity of the video or make any attempt for it not to be submitted as evidence? It would be interesting to know how the courts treated video evidence because AGS seem to be very dismissive of people with it when reporting dangerous driving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,993 ✭✭✭accensi0n





    Flashbacks to the only time I was knocked off my back. Same scenario, different location (Petrol station at end of Rathgar Road). Came down on my face and still have scars.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    Cycling thing on RTE 1 at the moment 'Now You See ME'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    "a cycling audit" before you get on your bike. WTF.
    Why make a big deal about it?
    Just get on the f***ing bike and ride it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Eamonnator wrote: »
    "a cycling audit" before you get on your bike. WTF.
    Why make a big deal about it?
    Just get on the f***ing bike and ride it

    It's the same for cars, I don't see the issue?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭Eamonnator


    It's the same for cars, I don't see the issue?

    It just makes a big deal out of cycling. It makes it look difficult and out of the ordinary and not normal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Eamonnator wrote: »


    It just makes a big deal out of cycling. It makes it look difficult and out of the ordinary.

    Each to their own I guess but I didn't take that from it. Having worked in a bike shop for 5 years you wouldn't believe the death traps some people cycle on...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Each to their own I guess but I didn't take that from it. Having worked in a bike shop for 5 years you wouldn't believe the death traps some people cycle on...

    I wonder how many die because of these death traps.

    I’d be far more concerned about the death traps with 4 wheels that are on the road.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    Not a highvis in sight!! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,906 ✭✭✭TallGlass


    Solid white line there and people overtaking like idiots. Rushing towards a red ****ing light, drives me mental as a cyclist and easily as angry when your on the opposite side of the road having some loon on your side of the road.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    I wonder how many die because of these death traps.

    Not sure of the total number but a neighbor passed away from a bicycle malfunction so that's at least one.

    I give up though, I thought it was good and if people are going to find fault with doing a safety check for 30 seconds then so be it....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Not sure of the total number but a neighbor passed away from a bicycle malfunction so that's at least one.

    I give up though, I thought it was good and if people are going to find fault with doing a safety check for 30 seconds then so be it....

    Ah. The old if it saves one life. Let’s ban everything to save one life.

    People who look after their bikes will continues to do so. On the flip side, people who don’t are very unlikely to start because some RSA person said to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,641 ✭✭✭at1withmyself


    Who said anything about banning? Talk about taking something positive out of context.
    Ah. The old if it saves one life. Let’s ban everything to save one life.

    People who look after their bikes will continues to do so. On the flip side, people who don’t are very unlikely to start because some RSA person said to do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    Who said anything about banning? Talk about taking something positive out of context.

    People are supposed to check their motor vehicle before driving it. How many do?

    I reckon that a higher percentage of people look after their bikes than people that check their cars.

    It was a pointless comment by the RSA that will change nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,315 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Not sure of the total number but a neighbor passed away from a bicycle malfunction so that's at least one.
    Did this come out at a Coroner's Inquest or what? Roughly where/when, I'd love to get more details.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,127 ✭✭✭mr spuckler


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    mr.spruckler- fair play for seeing this to court. I was witness to a similar incident 18 months back where a taxi knocked off a cyclist at that narrow stretch of the south quays just after Parliament St. The cyclist wasn't reporting it (she was in shock tbh) so I did. It ended up with the taxi driver getting a talking to but in fairness to him before that happened he reported himself for causing the accident so at least he was aware he messed up by trying to over take a cyclist on a very narrow part of the quays.

    Anyway was wondering if the court accepted your video as evidence in the case? Did the defence try to question the authenticity of the video or make any attempt for it not to be submitted as evidence? It would be interesting to know how the courts treated video evidence because AGS seem to be very dismissive of people with it when reporting dangerous driving.


    that question was asked here before and the simple answer is it was never shown to the court as she pleaded guilty at the first opportunity. the Garda accepted it without issue and his superintendent decided to prosecute based on the video. I also provided both the above clip and the full unedited original from the camera and a written statement describing the incident, which correlated with the video.
    so I don't think there'd have been an issue but who knows?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,315 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    they seem to be reasonably explicit about what they mean:


    Yeah, I know, I was just being a little sarky to point out that they don't really mean 'no free riders' at all.

    bingobars wrote: »
    Sorry now as FB is hardly journalism but it is to lots of people I guess. A blood boiler here

    https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2297543520276441&id=100000624465130&ref=content_filter

    The cyclist looks like he met an oversized vehicle in a narrow section of road, who got there first? Is that a weight limit sign to the left of the truck? Anyway professional drivers stirring up hate for whatever agenda is brutal behavior.


    What would the trucker have done if he had come up against a car? Or even a motorbike?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    so I don't think there'd have been an issue but who knows?

    I think its the 'who knows' bit seems to be part of the problem. In your case the Gardai were willing to prosecute on the basis of video evidence. In others they seem to say there is nothing they can do when presented with same. There doesn't seem to be any legal guidelines on the use of dashcams, helmet cams and their use in court for prosecutions as yet. There was a time years back when CCTV wasn't allowed to be used in courts but thats all changed now. Dash & helmet cams seem to be in that legal space right now that CCTV once was.

    It's oft said that the Gardai can't be on every street corner. But when you think about the thousands of people using dash & helmet cams they have the potential to be a very powerful policing tool. They can literally increase the ability of AGS to detect road traffic offences several thousand fold. Its a no brainer to use them imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,770 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    What would the trucker have done if he had come up against a car? Or even a motorbike?

    I think it would be common courtesy for whichever is the smallest vehicle to reverse back down the lane to where ever theres a farm gate to pull into. Its not hard to do a three point turn with a motorbike even on a narrow lane, I've done it a few times on an uncles lane when faced with a milk truck.

    Its hard to tell the full story from that video, the sign in behind might be a truck restriction sign to stop them using the lane as a rat run and this trucker got rumbled. Or it might not be a truck restriction sign and the cyclist just decided to get all high and mighty instead of just walking his bike along the ditch past the truck and getting on with life.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 643 ✭✭✭Corca Baiscinn


    Ah. The old if it saves one life. Let’s ban everything to save one life.

    People who look after their bikes will continues to do so. On the flip side, people who don’t are very unlikely to start because some RSA person said to do it.

    Look I dont do it all the time but not doing it one day led to my unfastened pannier strap catching in my spokes and the wheel seizing up so that I had to abandon my trip, lock up bike and walk home. (It was a Sun so no LBS open) The quick bike check is a standard part of Bikeability (UK) and Cycle Right (Irl) training. Can't remember it all but things like squeeze brakes, check chain. Also, Barbara Connolly is not an RSA employee afaik unless she joined recently. She used to work for Cycling Ireland who have responsibility for Cycle Right.

    Your point re people who look after their bikes will continue to do so is pointless as it goes without saying that regular riders will have enough wit to try to avoid chain coming off, gears seizing up,brakes failing and their trip being messed up but this family were not experienced riders so a reminder was fair enough.

    Agree there's more than enough to criticise the RSA for re their attitude to cycling but we should pick our battles


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