Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

thomasdylan · 10-02-2019 10:46pm

On the subject of sick leave there's a report published every year that breaks absences down by location and job. The highest absence rates are always in management and admin (who would generally have the least patient contact) and there are always crazy rates of absences of ambulance support staff.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/staff/resources/our-workforce/absenteeism-report-jan-2016.pdf

David73 · 10-02-2019 10:46pm

trellheim wrote: »

GET UP THE YARD Nurses now earn less than they did in 2008. ( and this is about restoration not lining of pockets )

Please try and be in the same room as the facts.

I don't suppose you can provide a link to back up that whacky statement?

10-02-2019 10:49pm

feckthisgenie wrote: »

10 or 11 sick days a year? It's 7 days uncertified in a rolling 24 month period. Your full of sh1t the true doesn't fit your agenda.
The private sector are milking it with all their perks and massive wages/bonuses

Private sector milking it?
Private sector companies don't throw money about you know.

jlm29 · 10-02-2019 10:51pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So is a nurse's full time week 36 hours or what? Sorry to butt back in, but honestly if that is the case, it is game over.

I do realise that 36 hours is a three day week of twelve hour shifts.

Above that is overtime, and there are night shifts too. But there are allowances for nightshifts. Just like the Emergency services, Gardai, Prison staff and so on. Not that unusual really. It's part of the job T+Cs.

And I also know that nurses stay on for the handover too. Unpaid.

39 hr week

Still waters · 10-02-2019 10:51pm

trellheim wrote: »

GET UP THE YARD Nurses now earn less than they did in 2008. ( and this is about restoration not lining of pockets )

Please try and be in the same room as the facts.

What yard

mad muffin · 10-02-2019 10:54pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So is a nurse's full time week 36 hours or what? Sorry to butt back in, but honestly if that is the case, it is game over.

I do realise that 36 hours is a three day week of twelve hour shifts.

Above that is overtime, and there are night shifts too. But there are allowances for nightshifts. Just like the Emergency services, Gardai, Prison staff and so on. Not that unusual really. It's part of the job T+Cs.

And I also know that nurses stay on for the handover too. Unpaid.

They work 39 hrs a week. If they do 3 days one week they’ll do 4 days another weeks.

boardise · 10-02-2019 10:55pm

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this . Nurses making argument for extra money because they have a degree.
But there are many nurses ,possibly a majority,who have no degree having entered before the degree course was set up . W ould there be a twin salary track then - a degree salary and a non -degree one?

feckthisgenie · 10-02-2019 11:06pm

Augeo wrote: »

Private sector milking it?
Private sector companies don't throw money about you know.

Facebook, Google and all multi nationals throwing money at their employees. Gravy train

trellheim · 10-02-2019 11:07pm

I don't suppose you can provide a link to back up that whacky statement?

Google for Haddington Road and Lansdowne Road agreements and FEMPI . Enjoy the read.

Sweetemotion · 10-02-2019 11:09pm

feckthisgenie wrote: »

Facebook, Google and all multi nationals throwing money at their employees. Gravy train

How would you feel if your taxes were raised to pay for that?

Spanish Eyes · 10-02-2019 11:10pm

I doubt they will get a pay rise. But they may get increased allowances eventually or something.

feckthisgenie · 10-02-2019 11:13pm

Sweetemotion wrote: »

How would you feel if your taxes were raised to pay for that?

Sure we all pay tax

mad muffin · 10-02-2019 11:20pm

boardise wrote: »

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this . Nurses making argument for extra money because they have a degree.
But there are many nurses ,possibly a majority,who have no degree having entered before the degree course was set up . W ould there be a twin salary track then - a degree salary and a non -degree one?

Any nurse that has only their diploma is already down on the pay scale due to limited promotions.

Many that want to keep getting promoted and also do more specialised nursing like ANP. Would have gotten their degree on their own time whilst still working. And then on to getting their masters.

Sweetemotion · 10-02-2019 11:21pm

feckthisgenie wrote: »

Sure we all pay tax

We do, but how would you feel about having to pay more tax for the gravy train you see in Google and Facebook specifically.

A lot of people working and paying tax in the private sector see the public sector as a gravy train just like you see it in facebook.

10-02-2019 11:22pm

feckthisgenie wrote: »

Facebook, Google and all multi nationals throwing money at their employees. Gravy train

Lol..... what a view....why don't nurses work for google or facebook so?

brendanwalsh · 10-02-2019 11:29pm

We are already going to have an even bigger debt piling up in the next few years with old age pension. We don't have any more money to give. These nurses need to face reality. Suck it up, nobody is flush with cash

trellheim · 10-02-2019 11:34pm

Lol..... what a view....why don't nurses work for google or facebook so?

Perhaps that should be chiselled in stone over the A&E you might (God forbid) get wheeled into one night and wonder "what kind of care will I get tonight" ?

Fann Linn · 10-02-2019 11:35pm

brendanwalsh wrote: »

We are already going to have an even bigger debt piling up in the next few years with old age pension. We don't have any more money to give. These nurses need to face reality. Suck it up, nobody is flush with cash

Obviously no one told Harris that last August.

feckthisgenie · 10-02-2019 11:39pm

Augeo wrote: »

Lol..... what a view....why don't nurses work for google or facebook so?

I could imply to same to you, why dont you work in the public sector if you think things are so good.

TheRiverman · 10-02-2019 11:41pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

So is a nurse's full time week 36 hours or what? Sorry to butt back in, but honestly if that is the case, it is game over.

I do realise that 36 hours is a three day week of twelve hour shifts.

Above that is overtime, and there are night shifts too. But there are allowances for nightshifts. Just like the Emergency services, Gardai, Prison staff and so on. Not that unusual really. It's part of the job T+Cs.

And I also know that nurses stay on for the handover too. Unpaid.

39 hr week,an extra 12 hr shift has to be worked to make up the hours.They are paid monthly and I think that runs to six weeks over Christmas/ start of New Year.

Sweetemotion · 10-02-2019 11:45pm

TheRiverman wrote: »

39 hr week,an extra 12 hr shift has to be worked to make up the hours.They are paid monthly and I think that runs to six weeks over Christmas/ start of New Year.

So it's 3 days on and 4 days off for 3 weeks and 4 days on and 3 days off for 1 week a month?

divillybit · 10-02-2019 11:49pm

Just a thought, and it may have been highlighted earlier in this thread but given that Australia is often cited as having the best pay and conditions for nurses, you'd have to wonder if there will be pay cuts coming for public sector workers there given the property crash thats happening there...Ireland might seem like a more attractive option for nurses that have emigrated

https://www.thetrumpet.com/17915-australia-waking-up-to-its-housing-crisis

David73 · 10-02-2019 11:49pm

Can everyone stop feeding Feckthisgenie, they have been spouting poo all day without reference to create annoyance.

Smell of poo off them

10-02-2019 11:50pm

feckthisgenie wrote: »

I could imply to same to you, why dont you work in the public sector if you think things are so good.

I never considered it..... a sh1t gig imo.

Spanish Eyes · 10-02-2019 11:54pm

On another note, why does nursing now require a degree, whereas there are many nurses who do not have a degree. Same registration etc.

Just wondered if non degree holders feel the same. Don't get me wrong, they are just as well qualified if not moreso than the degree cohort.

Is the difference causing an issue at all?

hawkelady · 10-02-2019 11:56pm

Getting increasingly likely we will have three consecutive days of strike this week , nurses along with the pna .... who’s going to blink first? I still think the government have too much to lose if they don’t put money on the table !

feckthisgenie · 10-02-2019 11:58pm

hawkelady wrote: »

Getting increasingly likely we will have three consecutive days of strike this week , nurses along with the pna .... who’s going to blink first? I still think the government have too much to lose if they don’t put money on the table !

It will be resolved this week, the pay increase will be granted and rightly so

11-02-2019 12:00am

They might throw 6% at them. I doubt it though as they haven't up to now....government sticking to the deal.

jimbobaloobob · 11-02-2019 12:01am

feckthisgenie wrote: »

It will be resolved this week, the pay increase will be granted and rightly so

Is it a pay increase or is it pay restoration?

David73 · 11-02-2019 12:03am

hawkelady wrote: »

Getting increasingly likely we will have three consecutive days of strike this week , nurses along with the pna .... who’s going to blink first? I still think the government have too much to lose if they don’t put money on the table !

Let them strike, hopefully the Governemnt will show they actually have some balls.

They are being paid enough, the Gov should just say they will focus on stream lining the HSE to make it more efficient. This won't be achieved by an undeserved pay increase

Give them a ludicrous pay increase now and they'll be out again next year when the pay agreement 2020 expires wanting more.

It's all just tactics, who gives a **** about the patients!

Do you think nurses will get their payrise?

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