Another American backed coup happening in Venezuela

Eric Cartman · 03-02-2019 9:02pm

Havockk wrote: »

So why did no one go home?

The lies just aren't even believable anymore.

because the free bus wasnt going to pick them up till it was done.... also that article is about one specific rally which may not be representetive of them all, clearly they hand out food at some of them if this man made the effort to go in search of it there.

In 2017 the workers party had an all white middle class protest outside the US embassy when it looked increasingly likely that there would be involvement there.
Venezuelans living here were so incensed by this that they held a counter protest. I think they'd know best about what they're protesting , being from Venezuela and whatnot.

Gringo180 · 03-02-2019 9:09pm

Havockk wrote: »

Why is no one reporting that ordinary people are out in support of Maduro?

Why are we only hearing one contrived narrative and people like the above pushing for arms to be sent?

Surely by now you have learned you will only get one side of the story by western media outlets. The yanks want there man in and thats that. Yet another country to control by proxy and to loot all of there resources.

Gatling · 03-02-2019 9:16pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

Surely by now you have learned you will only get one side of the story by western media outlets. The yanks want there man in and thats that. Yet another country to control by proxy and to loot all of there resources.

Am I the only one seeing a very large group of what looks like military uniforms in the crowd rather than Joe civies.

But yet if China or russia wanted to loot the country would that be ok ?

Gringo180 · 03-02-2019 9:44pm

Gatling wrote: »

Am I the only one seeing a very large group of what looks like military uniforms in the crowd rather than Joe civies.

But yet if China or russia wanted to loot the country would that be ok ?

What has China or Russia got to do with what I said?

Spannerplank · 03-02-2019 9:57pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

theres more than 37,000 flamingos in Venezuela, they are native to there, not in zoo's

rats are pretty plentiful, some have taken to eating zoo animals, one third of the population doesnt eat a meal every day, theres still rice and planted veg and corn but its not enough to sustain people.

from the aptly named wikipedia article "shortages in Venezuela"

So 37000 flamingos. Have they all been eaten? Are there any left?

So if they were all captured, cooked and eaten 2 weeks ago, and that flamingo roast would have only provided enough food for perhaps 50,000 people for at max 3 days.,..yes? What have Venezuelans been eating since? And the 2.18 million million who didn't get a flamingo 2 weeks ago?

And actually, what are the flamingos eating that they can survive?

Gatling · 03-02-2019 9:58pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

What has China or Russia got to do with what I said?

It was a legitimate question .

Considering both have close ties to maduro

Eric Cartman · 03-02-2019 10:00pm

Spannerplank wrote: »

So 37000 flamingos. Have they all been eaten? Are there any left?

So if they were all captured, cooked and eaten 2 weeks ago, and that flamingo roast would have only provided enough food for perhaps 50,000 people for at max 3 days.,..yes? What have Venezuelans been eating since? And the 2.18 million million who didn't get a flamingo 2 weeks ago?

And actually, what are the flamingos eating that they can survive?

they have been eating rice, beans, fish and vegetables they are growing themselves, although food is still scarce.

the flamingos continue to eat fish as they always have.

Eric Cartman · 03-02-2019 10:01pm

Gringo180 wrote: »

What has China or Russia got to do with what I said?

its a valid question because there is a lot of opposition to this 'coup' purely because the USA is backing it. People get a right chip on their shoulder when the US intervenes somewhere.

Spannerplank · 03-02-2019 10:19pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

ill dig it up , but I read an article stating that you get a can of fish and some beans / rice for attending. It would strike me as odd that ordinary people in a country thats been declared in a famine state, would all purchase new hats and flags.

Have you ever tried to catch a rat? They're fast.

According to you if you don't get one you go hungry. Now the next day you are weaker and the rats just as fast. You manage to catch one and don't sustain bites. You get the rat home and skin it, cook it (in or on what, who knows) and there's enough diseased meat that would constitute a buffalo wing per person for a family of four.

Time to get out and catch another rat if you can summon the strength and one of your kids hasn't gone blind from starvation.

So now that the flamingos have all been eaten, and maybe the parakeets, what is sustaining 22 million people?

20Cent · 03-02-2019 10:20pm

Where are the photo's and videos of starving people?

Eric Cartman · 03-02-2019 10:28pm

20Cent wrote: »

Where are the photo's and videos of starving people?

google "Venezuela people starving" its photos of people eating waste, people looking like they came out of auschwitz, empty supermarket shelves,

ive attached a few

Annd9 · 03-02-2019 10:35pm

20Cent wrote: »

Where are the photo's and videos of starving people?

Oh come on , it is very obvious a shortage of all essential goods has been ongoing for quite some time . People are struggling and a solution needs to be found soon .

Having said that , the last thing Venezuela needs is a dose of American "freedom" . With Maduro supposedly open to the idea of early elections hopefully this can be settled democratically . Although this might not solve the problem as he still has massive support no matter what people this side of the world like to think .

20Cent · 03-02-2019 10:43pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

google "Venezuela people starving" its photos of people eating waste, people looking like they came out of auschwitz, empty supermarket shelves,

ive attached a few

I don't doubt there are shortages etc. But the claims of people starving to death seem to be bull****.

Spannerplank · 03-02-2019 11:34pm

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Eric Cartman wrote: »

they have been eating rice, beans, fish and vegetables they are growing themselves, although food is still scarce.

the flamingos continue to eat fish as they always have.

So if they eat rice, beans, fish and vegetables why would they need to eat rats?

Are rice and beans available or is no food available causing people to eat rats?

And if a people's sole source of nutrition is rats, 22 million people, then where are the mountains of starved corpses?

So are the 37,000 flamingos all eaten now? Flamingos are now extinct in Venezuela as a result of human starvation. Yes?

Eric Cartman · 03-02-2019 11:36pm

Spannerplank wrote: »

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So if they eat rice, beans, fish and vegetables why would they need to eat rats?

Are rice and beans available or is no food available causing people to eat rats?

And if a people's sole source of nutrition is rats, 22 million people, then where are the mountains of starved corpses?

So are the 37,000 flamingos all eaten now? Flamingos are now extinct in Venezuela as a result of human starvation. Yes?

because theres not enough rice, beans, fish and vegetables to go round on a daily basis. Nobody has claimed anybodys sole source of food is rats or flamingos.

30% of the country is now living on an average of less than 1 meal per day.

Infini · 04-02-2019 12:00am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its a valid question because there is a lot of opposition to this 'coup' purely because the USA is backing it. People get a right chip on their shoulder when the US intervenes somewhere.

In fairness its a bit pointless calling it a coup as one has to look at the state of the country to know if its well managed or not and its fairly clear that the place wouldnt have problems if it had good government which it doesnt look like it does.

However lets be also clear that while theres some not liking the US getting involved they dont have a monopoly on that. Russia is just as bad and will pull similar shenanigans if it can get away with it. Saudi Arabia in Yemen aint any better but the only reason they can even get away with it is because of their stranglehold on a key energy source which wont work down the line once it runs dry.

Realistically it would be better off if the situation could be solved without external involvement but lets face it its not exactly looking good for the incumbent and he might be better off just calling elections.

Gringo180 · 04-02-2019 12:15am

Eric Cartman wrote: »

its a valid question because there is a lot of opposition to this 'coup' purely because the USA is backing it. People get a right chip on their shoulder when the US intervenes somewhere.

Rightly so. You only have to look back in the last decade or so to see the amount of countries the US has decimated, countries thousands of miles away from them.

Irish Praetorian · 04-02-2019 12:25am

Gringo180 wrote: »

Rightly so. You only have to look back in the last decade or so to see the amount of countries the US has decimated, countries thousands of miles away from them.

I feel like this is a default position for people to take whenever there is upheaval in a country and you can make even a tenuous connection to the US. The last big screw up was Iraq and that ended some eight years ago. Meanwhile, there are plenty of places around the world that are still managing to destroy themselves without much assistance from anywhere else.

Gatling · 04-02-2019 12:40am

Gringo180 wrote: »

Rightly so. You only have to look back in the last decade or so to see the amount of countries the US has decimated, countries thousands of miles away from them.

Other countries do it too regularly and yet no fauxrage about it ,

just America did this and America did that total hypocrisy

Good loser · 04-02-2019 3:15am

Spannerplank wrote: »

So if they eat rice, beans, fish and vegetables why would they need to eat rats?

Are rice and beans available or is no food available causing people to eat rats?

And if a people's sole source of nutrition is rats, 22 million people, then where are the mountains of starved corpses?

So are the 37,000 flamingos all eaten now? Flamingos are now extinct in Venezuela as a result of human starvation. Yes?

Pathetically pedantic. See post 282 above. You're mocking the starving don't you see.
74% of the population have lost an average of 8.7 kg.

Rjd2 · 04-02-2019 3:32am

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/venezuela-juan-guaido-donald-trump-2020-democrats_us_5c520bd0e4b04f8645c745f4

Obviously Bolton, Trump and the neocon war mongers who are cheering this on deserve the main criticism, but the above paints a poor picture of the Dem 2020 hopefuls.Some very soft statements, Harris tough principled and fearless seems to have ducked it all together. :pac:

Credit to Tulsi with the most powerful statement on it, not soft condemnation or trying to keep all sides happy.

James Brown · 04-02-2019 4:57pm

If the election was rigged there should be international pressure to have fair elections. The U.S. are hardly doing that right now and Trump would be all 'sour grapes' if it were him in power, (add to that the US record Dem and Rep) so it's tough to take any altruistic interest on behalf of the US seriously.
I'd say some of the same folk are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of a new arms race with Russia.

Gatling · 04-02-2019 5:31pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I'd say some of the same folk are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of a new arms race with Russia.

The arms race never went away ,russia pretty much went bankrupt the last time ,crap enconomy and lack of any real economic Diversity pretty much as before ,only problem is russia will be a distant 3rd place behind the US and China

Spannerplank · 04-02-2019 6:54pm

Good loser wrote: »

Pathetically pedantic. See post 282 above. You're mocking the starving don't you see.
74% of the population have lost an average of 8.7 kg.

Pedantic you say.
I've read post 282 and looked at the pictures. The poster claims they look like they came out of Auschwitz.
I'm afraid I can't see anybody in those images that in anyway resembles the emaciated walking skeletons from concentration camps.

Some propagandist circulated the silly claim that Venezuelans had to eat rats and flamingos to survive. Those on here just blindly accepted this rumour and are now getting all indignant that anyone might suggest they were a bit too quick to believe it. Instead of stepping back and saying "hmm, maybe that rat and flamingo story WAS a bit far fetched" they're fuming that anyone would doubt it.

Spannerplank · 04-02-2019 7:45pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

google "Venezuela people starving" its photos of people eating waste, people looking like they came out of auschwitz, empty supermarket shelves,

ive attached a few

Which one looks like they came out of Auschwitz?

Eric Cartman · 04-02-2019 8:11pm

Spannerplank wrote: »

Which one looks like they came out of Auschwitz?

these ones.

Good loser · 04-02-2019 8:44pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

these ones.

Are those enough for you Spanner?

The evidence is overwhelming; rabbiting on about flamingos and rats is reprehensible given the scale of the starvation crisis imposed on these poor people. By an incompetent, utterly corrupt killer - Maduro.

Cheerful Spring · 04-02-2019 9:34pm

Good loser wrote: »

Are those enough for you Spanner?

The evidence is overwhelming; rabbiting on about flamingos and rats is reprehensible given the scale of the starvation crisis imposed on these poor people. By an incompetent, utterly corrupt killer - Maduro.

You find people like this in America if you looked for them. There no evidence the entire population is starving and out of food.

To just blame Maduro for the economic mess, is ignoring America is punishing this country economically for a decade.

I think a new election should be held and let the people decide. However it clear as day this coup is backed by the US and they want to take the oil. They're not getting involved for no reason.

Gatling · 04-02-2019 9:48pm

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

To just blame Maduro for the economic mess, is ignoring America is punishing this country economically for a decade.

However it clear as day this coup is backed by the US and they want to take the oil. They're not getting involved for no reason.

So America who was spending billions on Venezuelan oil is to blame for the sheer incompetence and waste mudoro and Chavez before him.
Don't forget the 50 million in US aid last year

But it's all Americas fault

Cheerful Spring · 04-02-2019 9:49pm

Type in google Yemen starving and look at the images. The US is supporting this war against the people of Yemen. The west is allowing this to happen and nobody stopping it.

Another American backed coup happening in Venezuela

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