Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

ButtersSuki · 21-01-2019 04:45PM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

I've never come across someone so sensitive on this or any other website.

meeeeh wrote: »

He is not so sensitive. He is just making sure he can claim in Dispute Resolution forum that he was unfairly victimized next time when he is banned from this thread. There is nothing more to it.

Nice victim-blaming there.

Is it because I'm male I'm not to be believed when I say I feel I'm being bullied by a poster who tells me not to post on the thread and is clearly aggressive in repeated postings towards me - so much so that it has been commented on by others?

Interesting double-standard.

FreudianSlippers · 21-01-2019 04:52PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Nice victim-blaming there.

Oh, you're a victim now? :rolleyes:

Is it because I'm male I'm not to be believed when I say I feel I'm being bullied by a poster who tells me not to post on the thread and is clearly aggressive in repeated postings towards me - so much so that it has been commented on by others?

I've now explained at least 4 times that I didn't tell you not to post on the thread. Not sure what game you're trying to play here but it won't work with me mate.

Interesting double-standard.

How is it a double-standard exactly?

Uncharted · 21-01-2019 04:53PM

meeeeh wrote: »

He is not so sensitive. He is just making sure he can claim in Dispute Resolution forum that he was unfairly victimized next time when he is banned from this thread. There is nothing more to it.

The cavalry has arrived :rolleyes:

meeeeh · 21-01-2019 04:59PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Nice victim-blaming there.

Is it because I'm male I'm not to be believed when I say I feel I'm being bullied by a poster who tells me not to post on the thread and is clearly aggressive in repeated postings towards me - so much so that it has been commented on by others?

Interesting double-standard.

Spare me the victim blaming BS. You spent half a day arguing on this thread, whatever bullying you claim to suffer clearly doesn't work because you are still around.

Uncharted · 21-01-2019 05:05PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Spare me the victim blaming BS. You spent half a day arguing on this thread, whatever bullying you claim to suffer clearly doesn't work because you are still around.

Someone seems upset about being overlooked for a mod role here....... :pac:

21-01-2019 05:17PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Is it because I'm male I'm not to be believed when I say I feel I'm being bullied by a poster who tells me not to post on the thread and is clearly aggressive in repeated postings towards me - so much so that it has been commented on by others?

No, it's because your own posting style has got you banned in this thread and this forum numerous times. Making this whole "butter wouldn't melt in my mouth" ****e laughable.

ButtersSuki · 21-01-2019 06:03PM

Ahwell wrote: »

No, it's because your own posting style has got you banned in this thread and this forum numerous times. Making this whole "butter wouldn't melt in my mouth" ****e laughable.

Yes I have been banned in the past, but after having numerous discussions about my posting style with the mods and some inner reflection I’ve modified my style significantly to be more aware of the feelings of others - and indeed my own feelings. It’s called growth. It’s also why when I am being intimidated and bullied I reserve the right to call it out.

I felt threatened by the poster and his aggressive style, even if it was online. I felt intimidated. I felt very uncomfortable with it all which is why I repeatedly and calmly asked him (I’m assuming it’s a Male poster btw) to please stop. I am actually quite sensitive underneath it all. All of these are real feelings and emotions, it’s almost like you’re suggesting I shouldn’t feel them or express them because I’m Male. Should I have to suppress these feelings? I asked for the behaviour to stop - repeatedly. It didn’t. Now multiple posters are essentially saying I’m lying about this based on the fact that because my style was different in the past I’m essentially incapable of feeling this way, I presume also based on the fact that I’m male. I thought we were supposed to ask for help when feeing uncomfortable and being threatened. It appears not.

I’m not telling anyone not to post. I’m not being aggressive with anyone. I’m not engaging in personal insult slaying and I’m not telling anyone they’re lying about how they feel. And yet I’m the problem in the people who are doing some or all of these things. And when I ask them to stop, they don’t.

ButtersSuki · 21-01-2019 06:04PM

meeeeh wrote: »

Spare me the victim blaming BS. You spent half a day arguing on this thread, whatever bullying you claim to suffer clearly doesn't work because you are still around.

The logic being if you are bullied you should just cower, run away and let the bullies win?

ButtersSuki · 21-01-2019 06:19PM

To the posters who have variously bullied and latterly mocked me for calling them out on it today - you don't know me, you don't know my past, and you don't know how things like this affect me.

For the record, I was the victim of bullying throughout my childhood and teenage years (mental and physical), and I was on the receiving end of a sustained and complex bullying effort by a number of former colleagues in a place of employment. The consequences of the latter have had life-changing implications for many of those involved (not least myself).

Thank you mostly however for not believing me when I was being honest about how I felt.

Nody · 21-01-2019 06:20PM

Mod:
Locked for Mod review

Nody · 23-01-2019 10:14PM

Mod:
Review completed; sorry for the delay but due to the contentious topic and number of breaches we wanted to ensure an general alignment beyond a single mod on the response. I'll use this post as a reminder as well that you should not engage in tit for tat and that you should remain civil in all topics. It goes without saying that we want no further discussion on the Gillette ad even if it is brought up in the show again nor a continuation of the discussion on masculinity/feminism etc.

This thread is teetering on the brink of being permanently locked simply due to multiple users failure to have a civil debate about the show.

BBFAN · 24-01-2019 02:11AM

Goes to show, there have been 3 days here where no-one can debate the actual show without actually attacking the presenters gender or sniping at each other.

It's almost like the whole thread was set up in support of the previous host.

JeffKenna · 24-01-2019 09:05AM

BBFAN wrote: »

Goes to show, there have been 3 days here where no-one can debate the actual show without actually attacking the presenters gender or sniping at each other.

It's almost like the whole thread was set up in support of the previous host.

And after 3 days your post is the first one back with the same crap.

Sleeper12 · 24-01-2019 10:34AM

I ignored the thread the last few days. It was ugly reading imo

Hurrache · 24-01-2019 11:17AM

I long abandoned it until I noticed it's locked. It's an immature childish **** show, at best.

Squall Leonhart · 24-01-2019 11:24AM

Hurrache wrote: »

I long abandoned it until I noticed it's locked. It's an immature childish **** show, at best.

.. But enough about lunchtime live... Ba dum tish!

Ah no, this thread had really became awfully petty

Tell me how · 24-01-2019 11:26AM

Heard the piece on Tuesday about the issue in some schools relating to 'shoe competitiveness'. Understandable enough, some kids have the popular footwear and it becomes a badge of social standing of a kind. Other children put pressure on their parents to get the same shoe and in some cases they try to manage it even though it is much more than they can afford.

Parenting must be really hard in terms of instilling appropriate values in your child while simultaneously not having them feel inferior amongst their peers.

An old family friend said it once that wealthy parents bear a significant responsibility in the pressures which less wealthy families can feel in certain occasions as they set a benchmark which other cannot afford but push themselves beyond their means to do so. First communions and birthday parties for example.

It was similar but maybe less dramatic back when I was a school in the late 80's. Bona fide doc martins were the thing. I of course had a fine pair (that my cousin in Kildare had grown out of).

Hurrache · 24-01-2019 11:29AM

When I was in school in the 80s and into the early 90s, shoe competitiveness was a thing even then, and it was far from lead by wealthy families in the 1980s. Docs in my area didn't really come into it until towards the end of secondary school and college. In schools now it seems to be with bags and pencil cases, I'm looking at you Smiggle.
I don't think it can ever be avoided though.

Tell me how · 24-01-2019 11:31AM

Hurrache wrote: »

When I was in school in the 80s and into the early 90s, shoe competitiveness was a thing even then, and it was far from lead by wealthy families in the 1980s. Docs in my area didn't really come into it until towards the end of secondary school and college. In schools now it seems to be with bags and pencil cases, I'm looking at you Smiggle.
I don't think it can ever be avoided though.

Wealthy by comparison possibly. Or else where did the envy originate from?

Hurrache · 24-01-2019 11:35AM

Dunno, maybe fell of the back of a truck or something. There used to be lots of markets in different areas at the time and people would get Puma's and whatever else were the brand of the day. So once a couple of kids started wearing them, those with their Dunnes ones that fell apart at the first kick of a ball wanted better, and it continued like that until the end of school.

jeremyj1968 · 24-01-2019 01:32PM

I listen in now and again to just have her troll me about the latest injustice that she perceives that I (as a man) have perpetrated on her.

"I... I ... I... I... I... I... I.... I... eh .... T... T.. T.. Thanks".

And now she has Jonathan Healy coming in to the studio. I'd say if Marconi ever envisaged that he technology would be used to bring the voices and opinions of Jonathan Healy and Ciara Kelly to the nation, he would have got all his wireless gear and threw it over the ditch.

~

goochy · 28-01-2019 05:53PM

Nice one , Jonathan Healy is desperate to fit in at newstalk to be sure of work so has become mad PC and liberal of late

Tell me how · 28-01-2019 07:50PM

Two interesting topics in the part of the show I heard today.

First one was about cycling. Amazing as always to see how entrenched the different views are on this topic. Also discussed was the topic of fly-tipping. I'm on the same page as Ciara in thinking the texter who said that they can understand why people fly tip given the price of renting a skip and how small it is can f*ck off.

Tell me how · 01-02-2019 02:37PM

It seems the unscripted Fridays is going well.

Think they are having it every week now and going by today there is a lot of interest in it. Lots of callers looking to discuss the topic of travelling as a single person today.

meeeeh · 01-02-2019 02:42PM

I actually think it's very entertaining show today. They managed not to get any crank callers and it just flows nicely.

ButtersSuki · 01-02-2019 02:49PM

Tell me how wrote: »

It seems the unscripted Fridays is going well.

Think they are having it every week now and going by today there is a lot of interest in it. Lots of callers looking to discuss the topic of travelling as a single person today.

It’s riveting radio alright. Listening to Mairéad/Miss Ireland tell us about her 15 states in 5 days US group holiday which she joined because her parents told her she would be raped, murdered and found dead beside a highway if she travelled alone was inspirational. Then we had top tips like “take out a pen and paper when eating alone in a restaurant to trick the staff into thinking you’re a food critic”, and the revelation that over-50s holidays are really for over-75s.....in Ciara’s opinion.

Aside from those fascinating callers, what evidence do you have that there is as you say “a lot of interest in it”? If 10-15 people call over 2 hours does that mean there’s lots of interest in it? Define “lots” in quantitative terms? Or is this just your opinion? Genuine question.

Tell me how · 01-02-2019 02:53PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I actually think it's very entertaining show today. They managed not to get any crank callers and it just flows nicely.

The 52 year old thinking bog trying to get pregnant could be viewed as a crank caller, although she does sound genuine.

I'm surprised to hear that a number of women have done so.

prunudo · 01-02-2019 03:00PM

Butterssuki brings up an intersting point, and something that crossed my mind the other day.
Say a station is doing a piece on a certain subject, they generally will give out comments from both sides of the argument to give a balanced view of the topic.
Now they could have 100 calls/texts on one side for every 1 on the opposite side. But the listener will never know whether it really is balanced as it appears there's 50/50 support for it. Very easy to push an agenda one way or another.
Bit like yesterday where you had two staff trying to have a balanced discussion!

Tell me how · 01-02-2019 03:28PM

jvan wrote: »

Butterssuki brings up an intersting point, and something that crossed my mind the other day.
Say a station is doing a piece on a certain subject, they generally will give out comments from both sides of the argument to give a balanced view of the topic.
Now they could have 100 calls/texts on one side for every 1 on the opposite side. But the listener will never know whether it really is balanced as it appears there's 50/50 support for it. Very easy to push an agenda one way or another.
Bit like yesterday where you had two staff trying to have a balanced discussion!

If there's an overwhelming response one way or another, they always state that with phrases like;
"I'll read one of the texts which agree with you but the majority think differently"
"Some agree with you but the vast majority of texts here are of a different opinion"
"The screen is lighting up and nearly all of them say you are right"

If they don't say something like that, I think the implications is that views are fairly equally split.

For Forks Sake · 01-02-2019 03:47PM

"where we're talking about what you're talking about"

There couldn't be a statement with any less truth in it than that

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