Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

For Forks Sake

ButtersSuki wrote: »

It really depends on how the question is asked.

If one were to ask:

"Do you support the nurses in their decision to strike?", then you'd get the large % of positive answers confirming same.

However, if you were to ask:

"Do you support the nurses in their decision to strike knowing that should they be successful in their claim will ultimately result in similar strike action across other branches of the public service, with the net result being widespread disruption across other services and ultimately an increase in taxes to fund same?", then I would posit you'd get a very different response.

If Harris had any balls he'd have told the IMNO "Sure, you can have your cash, as long as ye state publicly what sector you'd like to see the €300 million cut from to fund it". Public support wouldn't be long evaporating.

Tell me how

For Forks Sake wrote: »

If Harris had any balls he'd have told the IMNO "Sure, you can have your cash, as long as ye state publicly what sector you'd like to see the €300 million cut from to fund it". Public support wouldn't be long evaporating.

Would you fault them for replying they'd like to see the projected €1B the children's hospital is going to overrun by allocated to pay their wages and to build that hospital on a greenfield site at the original projected cost?

FreudianSlippers

Tell me how wrote: »

Would you fault them for replying they'd like to see the projected €1B the children's hospital is going to overrun by allocated to pay their wages and to build that hospital on a greenfield site at the original projected cost?

If nurses don't understand the Children's Hospital needs to be tri-located (or at the very least co-located) and not on some random greenfield site then they should be sacked on the spot.

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FreudianSlippers wrote: »

If nurses don't understand the Children's Hospital needs to be tri-located (or at the very least co-located) and not on some random greenfield site then they should be sacked on the spot.

That's a different topic (and one which is being discussed elsewhere on boards) but the point still holds that it is going to cost vastly more than what was projected.

ButtersSuki

ButtersSuki wrote: »

It really depends on how the question is asked.

If one were to ask:

"Do you support the nurses in their decision to strike?", then you'd get the large % of positive answers confirming same.

However, if you were to ask:

"Do you support the nurses in their decision to strike knowing that should they be successful in their claim will ultimately result in similar strike action across other branches of the public service, with the net result being widespread disruption across other services and ultimately an increase in taxes to fund same?", then I would posit you'd get a very different response.

But that is assuming that people are not aware of that probable outcome when answering "Do you support the nurses in their decision to strike?". I'm not sure that would be true.

ButtersSuki

Ahwell wrote: »

But that is assuming that people are not aware of that probable outcome when answering "Do you support the nurses in their decision to strike?". I'm not sure that would be true.

Not trying to argue (promise) but a skilled (biased) researcher can (often) get the answer they want depending on how they phrase the question.

It goes back to why both qual. and quant. research methodologies are important, and why it's important to use both for a fuller understanding of the responses.

If the question was asked of your average punter on thew side of the road as they're going about their day in a doorstep/voxpop style, I'd not be shocked if the overwhelming majority support the nurses.

Now transport that same person to a dedicated long interview about waste and overspends in the Public Service/Sector, ask the same question, and I'd posit you'd get an entirely different answer in many cases.

Context, situations, setting all affect most people's answers. The former example is a 20second interview. The latter could be up to an hour or more. You'll get different replies in many cases.

Nurses are seen as a special case. Hardly any other public sector grouping taking industrial action would get any kind of public support. Teachers, for example, would be hammered. I think that "special case" status would cut through that dedicated long interview and the outcome would still be in their favour. Whether that "special case" status is merited, or not, is another matter.

Mad_maxx

Ahwell wrote: »

Nurses are seen as a special case. Hardly any other public sector grouping taking industrial action would get any kind of public support. Teachers, for example, would be hammered. I think that "special case" status would cut through that dedicated long interview and the outcome would still be in their favour. Whether that "special case" status is merited, or not, is another matter.

If nurses were looking for a 90% increase, the majority of the general public would still support them

Supporting nurses in this country is the same as being asked if you like ice cream or think puppies are cute

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Uncharted

Frank Mc Donald seems to want all of Dublin to himself.

Being chief nimbyist for the city is his full time job it seems.

He is a dinosaur. Jog on Frank.

sydthebeat

her behaviour with frank mcdonald right now is pretty appalling

ButtersSuki

Uncharted wrote: »

Frank Mc Donald seems to want all of Dublin to himself.

Being chief nimbyist for the city is his full time job it seems.

He is a dinosaur. Jog on Frank.

I don’t agree with his views but Ciara shouted all over him, refused to let him speak without continuously interrupting him, didn’t listen to what he was saying, and finally only read out texts supporting her take on the subject. I text a very polite (genuinely) comment on alllowing the guest to speak, but it wasn’t read out - I suspect there were others. It was more like listening to an argument between a married couple than a serious interview/debate. She also cited numerous cases of planning objections being based on NIMBYism but didn’t mention Pat Kenny’s objection (of course).

Extra: as I was typing the above she read out one text from someone who disagrees with her take on it, but then identified him as a social democrat and made some comment about politicians always being against building.

It’s strange when you feel sorry for someone you disagree with after an interview with someone who has similar views to you (similar - not identical btw, on in this case, planning).

Sleeper12

sydthebeat wrote:

her behaviour with frank mcdonald right now is pretty appalling

I'm autistic and all I can say is that it hurts my ears.

She didn't let him get his point across at first. Kept cutting across him, speaking louder and faster by the second. Horrible way to interview someone. I'm not even saying that her points were wrong but very difficult for me to try listen to interviews like that

sydthebeat

i dont agree with Frank McDonalds views... but he is an expert on the planning system and developemnt and she is a simply lay person as far as thats involved... why does she think her opinion on this actually matters a jot? She didnt challenge his views with any intelligent debate at all.... simply shouted over him in ignorant rabble..... it wa s actually embarrassing

I work in that industry.... and when she came out and expressly said "build any thing anywhere" i actually laughed out loud.... she has no idea of the complete cluster fcuk that would cause.

Did ye hear me on the radio just now?! (on about ucd, not the guy going on about the travellers)

ButtersSuki

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Did ye hear me on the radio just now?! (on about ucd, not the guy going on about the travellers)

Shame on you for not mentioning boards!

zell12

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ButtersSuki

Terry Prone on now collecting another cheque from Communicorp, whilst simultaneously giving us a history lesson and stroking her own ego.

zell12

De Terry Prone show featuring Ciara Kelly

meeeeh

Yeah they constantly wheel her in. This issue should be discussed with macro economist not Terry Prone. She can waffle about happy people and productivity but this is an economical measurement and should be discussed with someone who knows what the basis for stats is.

Uncharted

Terry prone is on speed dial at Newstalk towers it seems.

I wonder if they shine an industrial sized rooftop spotlight into the air to summon her ( a la Batman) .

sligojoek

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Did ye hear me on the radio just now?! (on about ucd, not the guy going on about the travellers)

Did you ask her, "How's de leg?".

Edit: Sorry wrong thread

goochy

Terry Prone is better on radio than tv - strange looking woman

goochy

goochy wrote: »

Terry Prone is better on radio than tv - strange looking woman

it's fine to disagree with someone, even doing so rigorously, but why criticise her appearance? I don't think a PR consultant who advises politicians should be commenting on matters of public importance, but I think she looks perfectly fine, not that it matters. Just be decent, leave it out.

jay0109

How Terry Prone still gets a gig on the national airwaves after her attempted PR spin on the Tuam babies scandal says a lot about cosy circles in D2/D4

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meeeeh wrote: »

This issue should be discussed with macro economist not Terry Prone. She can waffle about happy people and productivity but this is an economical measurement and should be discussed with someone who knows what the basis for stats is.

In fairness to Prone she even said as much when answering one of the questions. Something along the lines of "I'm not qualified to answer that". She's a PR professional at the end of the day, she's not going to refuse a slot on a national station.

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Terry Prone on now collecting another cheque from Communicorp

Do Newstalk pay her/anyone for these slots? How much do you think?

I'd always assumed people took these calls for free because a) it raised their profile b) it's part of their job tangentially e.g. uni professors c) they love the sound of their own voice.

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Did ye hear me on the radio just now?! (on about ucd, not the guy going on about the travellers)

I did! Boards people are real people!

Tell me how

meeeeh wrote: »

Yeah they constantly wheel her in. This issue should be discussed with macro economist not Terry Prone. She can waffle about happy people and productivity but this is an economical measurement and should be discussed with someone who knows what the basis for stats is.

The context in which they discussed was relevant though. She was making the point that it isn't just about the bottom line numbers (even though the report was obviously about productivity as measure in this way) but that happy and engaged workers are much more productive. A macro economist would have discussed it entirely in the context of tax policies and average hourly rates which would have been relevant too to be fair.

I thought it interesting that she implied that silicon valley type companies (Google, Facebook, Uber I presume) are akin to modern day sweatshops where as the image they try to project is exactly the opposite.

zell12

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Did ye hear me on the radio just now?! (on about ucd, not the guy going on about the travellers)

I heard a robot sounding impression

Tell me how

Milan Curved Madman wrote: »

Do Newstalk pay her/anyone for these slots? How much do you think?

I'd always assumed people took these calls for free because a) it raised their profile b) it's part of their job tangentially e.g. uni professors c) they love the sound of their own voice.

I'd be quite sure that they get paid.

It does raise their profile certainly but it also is providing their professional opinion which sways the public conversation. It's work.

jay0109

Tell me how wrote: »

I thought it interesting that she implied that silicon valley type companies (Google, Facebook, Uber I presume) are akin to modern day sweatshops where as the image they try to project is exactly the opposite.

Their obviously not sending much work her way!