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Agreed and we all hope that that will not return. There is no evidence that the UK economy will decline if there is a so called 'hard brexit'.Brexit is brexit, we did not vote for a degree of brexit, we voted to leave fully and wholely. If anything the UK economy will improve after brexit compared to how it would be if we were still shackled inside the EU. Even if the UK mainland dropped off, the closeness of NI to the Rep of Ireland which is doing well currently will mean NI will continue to do well.

I don't know how you assert that brexit will cause a border poll. If it did happen in any case there are too many people who like being part of the UK and enjoying all the benefits it brings than to to vote for a united Ireland. I was actually considering buying my first house in NI actually.

The evidence for a decline of the UK economy will emerge after a hard Brexit with no deal takes place. I know that Brexiteers always dismiss all the warnings and predictions by experts who know how the market works and where the economy will be hit hardest. That is because Brexiteers hate all facts that stand in the way of their anticipated glorious post-Brexit future.

Just remember this, the problems the UK has are fundamentally and to the core more domestic ones, created by the politics of the UK itself. Brexiteers like to deflect from that fact by projecting the problems on the EU and make the EU the scapegoat for it but this won't work for the time after Brexit. The Brexit propagandists will certainly not cease to continue with this projection as they are not just used to it but more to the point that is their whole agenda. Without having the EU to put the blame on for all and everything, they would had to look into the mirror and face the facts. But that is rather an option they prefer to run away from it.

I also like to remind every Brexiter and those who say they aren't Brexiteers themselves but continue to fall for this anti-EU propaganda that every UK govt since the UK joined the EEC which is now the EU has been part in carrying all the policies and decisions the EU has made, just like every other member state has done so as well. The EU itself relies on the approval and work of the ´national govts of her member states. The 'EU Superstate' is nothing but a blatant ly and this is proven by the fact that the EU itself has no government of its own. Therefore, every national govt of every member state bears the responsibility for the actions the EU takes and that includes all regulations. The EU-Parliament is in compare to that not as much powerful as the national govts of the member states are.

As for the border poll in NI in the post-Brexit period I just like to recommend you to watch a bit beyond the daily Brexit mess reports. There is probably (I say probably cos I hold many of the polls as not that reliable) a growing support for an IndyRef2 in Scotland. It is still going back and forth on a tiny margin scale between pro and con Independence. A hard Brexit and the effects this will have on the economy of Scotland will surely make it more likely that in an IndyRef2 a majority will vote in favour of Independence in order to escape the post-Brexit chaos and once and for all get rid of the domination of the UK by England. It is just a question of how and when this IndyRef2 takes place, but once its result is a majority in favour of Independence, the path towards the break up of the UK is opened.

Look at the DUP as the one party that still has their hands on the levers of power by their 10 MPs who back up the current minority Tory govt and the DUP is exposed by therself as being in fact for a no-deal hard Brexit. I think that the DUP will have a lot to answer for that in the future and more so when the 'post-Brexit-Paradise-Bubble' implodes and the hard Brexit reality kicks in. I also assume, despite that there is Little reportation about that in the UK and Irish media, that this behaviour of the DUP in the HoC and towards the UK govt as well as their backing of the hardliner no-deal Brexiteers has already brought more tensions and fears among the people in NI.

The constant refusal of the DUP to resume a power-shared NI govt with SF and thus still blocking the NI Assembly from resuming to work (in March it'll be two years since the last elections 2017) leaves NI in a deadlock. There is nothing the people in NI can do to alter that because new elections for the NI Assembly are a couple of years away and I haven't noticed anything from any party in NI that called for a new election before Brexit takes place. This Situation is very much of the liking for the DUP. They don't have (as they certainly see it) the Need to resume working together with SF, they don't have to attend the NI Assembly sessions and they can still hold the UK govt in ransom to make it do what the DUP wants. Plenty of evidence for that since the last UK GE in 2017. This will go on that way until there is a new UK GE in which the Tories either lose more of their MPs or win more so that the Tory Party is no longer relying on the DUP support. But a snap UK GE isn't on the table cos May fears that she'll lose more this time and of course the DUP doesn't favours a snap UK GE as well cos they might also lost votes due to their utter despicable performance in this Brexit mess.

A snap UK GE would give not just the Brits the opportunity to punish the present Tory govt but more so (given that some Unionists in NI would vote UUP instead of DUP) would also give the people in NI the chance to punish the DUP and bring them losses of votes and thus lesser MPs for Westminster.

Both parties are playing this gambling for their own selfish reasons and the people of NI certainly matter not to them. Otherwise the DUP would had respected the result of the BrexitRef 2016 in NI in which a majority of the people of NI voted for Remain. But that doesn't matter to the DUP as this party in particular has a record of ignoring majorities that doesn't suit their own agenda.

A border poll in NI will be the result of this misbehaviour cos such things can go a long time but they cannot go on for ever cos one they they will have to answer for that and pay the price for it. The DUP is pushing the people in NI too far with a no-deal Brexit and the discontent and anger that will grow out of the consequences of a hard Brexit which will hit NI harder than England is what will lead to a border poll in NI.

Just bear in mind that I am not talking of things that will or might take place immediately after Brexit, but these things are already in development and I am talking about that by counting in a couple of years, maybe five, maybe ten. But when history is the making, things can develop faster than one thinks.

Up to this day, the UK govt still hasn't named all the alleged 40 countries they are ready to strike trade deals with, immediately after Brexit takes place. The major economical strong English speaking countries like Australia, NZ and Canada have already signalled that their economic ties lie closer to home for them and that the post-Brexit UK is not on top of the list for trading partners. The USA are very egoistical and selfish centred by Trump and there isn't much fairness to be expected (other than what he himself deems to be fair).

Single trade deals by the UK with EU member states post-Brexit are out of question and that leaves Russia, China, probably India and some other CoN member states to 'fill' that list of 40 countries. The global big players look down on the UK as being proven unreliable by their own conduct during the UK-EU Brexit negotiations, India isn't ruled by fools as well and the many of the CoN countries aren't economically that strong and the people living there probably don't have such high wages as that they could afford to buy expensive British goods.

The bigger picture is more complex than the simple one-sided one of the Brexiters is portraying. But maybe the 'BE2.0 Brexiteers' will have to learn it the hard way that they were just following a wet dream of their own making. Pity that the Remainers will have to suffer for this as well.