Car bomb has exploded in Derry City Centre

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 05:16PM

thomasj wrote: »

I read somewhere over the weekend that the "new IRA" are a rebranded "real IRA"

The thinking is that it is a coming together of a number of groups. The PSNI believe they represent a 'significant' threat.

technics121O · 21-01-2019 05:44PM

SORRY NO POLITICAL THREADS IN AFTER HOURS, I BELIEVE

seamus · 21-01-2019 05:58PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

A group calling itself 'The New IRA'.

The violence and agitating in Derry since the GFA has largely been ignored. Make no mistake that there are those who are waiting for the cause to gain some traction. And the British are going to supply that traction again.

I suggested in here a few weeks back that a hard border was basically guaranteed to reignite violence in Northern Ireland.

A couple of posters claimed I was being ridiculous.

Yeah...

Any kind of physical border on the island, and this kind of thing will become frequent news. It can't be allowed to happen.

whisky_galore · 21-01-2019 06:17PM

seamus wrote: »

I suggested in here a few weeks back that a hard border was basically guaranteed to reignite violence in Northern Ireland.

A couple of posters claimed I was being ridiculous.

Yeah...

Any kind of physical border on the island, and this kind of thing will become frequent news. It can't be allowed to happen.

Not an excuse for this knuckledragging attempt to return to the bad old days. Veiled support from some posters here.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 06:42PM

whisky_galore wrote: »

Not an excuse for this knuckledragging attempt to return to the bad old days. Veiled support from some posters here.

Understanding why it happens and what conditions will ensure it happens is not 'supporting' it, without or without a veil.

RobMc59 · 21-01-2019 06:46PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Understanding why it happens and what conditions will ensure it happens is not 'supporting' it, without or without a veil.

If a bunch of neanderthals decide-"I know-I'll plant a car bomb in the city!"is a good idea or anyone else's fault then heaven help the rest of us!

Tuco88 · 21-01-2019 07:02PM

Ahh lads, the naming has gone to the dogs.

First we had.

The "original IRA"
Then the "IRA"
Next the Provisional IRA "PIRA"
Then the Real IRA "RIRA"
Followed with the Continuity IRA "CIRA"
Now a New IRA "NIRA"

Whats next? I can't belive its not the RA.

At least INLA tried to be original, even tho it sounds like the coastguard crowd.

Tuco88 · 21-01-2019 07:03PM

Double post.

Timberrrrrrrr · 21-01-2019 07:15PM

Tuco88 wrote: »

Ahh lads, the naming had gone to the dogs.

First we had.

The "original IRA"
Then the "IRA"
Next the Provisional IRA "PIRA"
Then the Real IRA "RIRA"
Followed with the Continuity IRA "CIRA"
Now a New IRA "NIRA"

Whats next? I can't belive its not the RA.

At least INLA tried to be original, even tho it sounds like the coastguard crowd.

ViagRAAAAAAA, We've never been harder!

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 07:21PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

If a bunch of neanderthals decide-"I know-I'll plant a car bomb in the city!"is a good idea or anyone else's fault then heaven help the rest of us!

Call them whatever rocks your boat, but they are here, are a 'significant' threat and everyone needs to see what can happen. I was a young boy the last time this cyclical conflict brewed up and an awful lot of the support grew from what was happening on the border.
I see the exact same conditions arising again. Trouble in Derry, border activity and then up it goes in flames that will be very hard to put out.

RobMc59 · 21-01-2019 07:28PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Call them whatever rocks your boat, but they are here, are a 'significant' threat and everyone needs to see what can happen. I was a young boy the last time this cyclical conflict brewed up and an awful lot of the support grew from what was happening on the border.
I see the exact same conditions arising again. Trouble in Derry, border activity and then up it goes in flames that will be very hard to put out.

The thing is though,the people responsible will scuttle back under their rocks and it's the normal people in Derry who suffer the fallout,the small business owners who's trade is affected.

GinAndBitter · 21-01-2019 07:30PM

It's been said by many people over the years that a return to violence is inevitable. I hope this is not the beginning of it.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 07:30PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

The thing is though,the people responsible will scuttle back under their rocks and it's the normal people in Derry who suffer the fallout,the small business owners who's trade is affected.

Always the way in any conflict.

Sureal · 21-01-2019 07:35PM

Irish people have been fighting for freedom for centuries. The IRB were bombing England in the 1880's! It's been constant in nearly every decade. Why do people think it will stop now? It's time to face facts, this will never end until Britain's negative influence has been cleared from this island. Brexit is the current issue but there will always be something.
Before someone jumps down my neck, I'm in no way saying I support this. I think it's just a reality.

Folkstonian · 21-01-2019 07:35PM

seamus wrote: »

I suggested in here a few weeks back that a hard border was basically guaranteed to reignite violence in Northern Ireland.

A couple of posters claimed I was being ridiculous.

Yeah...

Any kind of physical border on the island, and this kind of thing will become frequent news. It can't be allowed to happen.

No I think you are wrong.

A hard border, whilst certainly undesirable socially and economically, does not ‘inevitably’ lead to violence.

Nobody is compelled to construct explosives, put them in vehicles, and detonate them in busy public areas.

These are all simply decisions made by the worst examples of humanity.

I do feel though, with the media and in some cases politicians, warning of an ‘inevitable return to violence’ with a hard border, this kind of person is made to feel that there is an expectation, and therefore a kind of rationalisation, for such reckless and obscene criminal acts.

This is just not the case at all.

Sureal · 21-01-2019 07:40PM

Folkstonian wrote: »

No I think you are wrong.

A hard border, whilst certainly undesirable socially and economically, does not ‘inevitably’ lead to violence.

Nobody is compelled to construct explosives, put them in vehicles, and detonate them in busy public areas.

These are all simply decisions made by the worst examples of humanity.

I do feel though, with the media and in some cases politicians, warning of an ‘inevitable return to violence’ with a hard border, this kind of person is made to feel that there is an expectation, and therefore a kind of rationalisation, for such reckless and obscene criminal acts.

This is just not the case at all.

How would you feel if a border was put around wherever you're from and you were informed that you are now under the control of a foreign government?

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 07:41PM

Folkstonian wrote: »

No I think you are wrong.

A hard border, whilst certainly undesirable socially and economically, does not ‘inevitably’ lead to violence.

Nobody is compelled to construct explosives, put them in vehicles, and detonate them in busy public areas.

These are all simply decisions made by the worst examples of humanity.

I do feel though, with the media and in some cases politicians, warning of an ‘inevitable return to violence’ with a hard border, this kind of person is made to feel that there is an expectation, and therefore a kind of rationalisation, for such reckless and obscene criminal acts.

This is just not the case at all.

There is no compulsion to invade other countries, bomb from 10,000 to control areas you wish to plunder either, but many in the world do it all the time.

If you create the conditions then violence is inevitable. And Britain has created the conditions for violence here for centuries and perpetrated violence as well.

You post is self serving sanctimonious rubbish tbh.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 21-01-2019 07:43PM

Folkstonian wrote: »

No I think you are wrong.

A hard border, whilst certainly undesirable socially and economically, does not ‘inevitably’ lead to violence.

Nobody is compelled to construct explosives, put them in vehicles, and detonate them in busy public areas.

These are all simply decisions made by the worst examples of humanity.

I do feel though, with the media and in some cases politicians, warning of an ‘inevitable return to violence’ with a hard border, this kind of person is made to feel that there is an expectation, and therefore a kind of rationalisation, for such reckless and obscene criminal acts.

This is just not the case at all.

they are just criminals nothing more nothing less.
the way certain posters here are trying to "glamourise" them you'd be forgiven for thinking they enjoy this type of reckless criminality.

Sureal · 21-01-2019 07:49PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

they are just criminals nothing more nothing less.
the way certain posters here are trying to "glamourise" them you'd be forgiven for thinking they enjoy this type of reckless criminality.

I don't see anyone glamourising them. It's just a fact that Irish people have rebelled against British rule for centuries. It grows when people feel under threat. Why do you think now would be any different? It will always be this way. "Ireland unfree shall never be at peace", I know it's often quoted but I think Pearse has and will be proved correct.

Timberrrrrrrr · 21-01-2019 07:51PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

they are just criminals nothing more nothing less.
the way certain posters here are trying to "glamourise" them you'd be forgiven for thinking they enjoy this type of reckless criminality.

Orders come from high up, defend ANYTHING "republican" no matter what.

Same posters saying the same things over and over for years, blame anyone but the brave boys.

"Good republicans" all :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 07:55PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Orders come from high up, defend ANYTHING "republican" no matter what.

Same posters saying the same things over and over for years, blame anyone but the brave boys.

"Good republicans" all :rolleyes:

So far, what I have been saying for years is right. This conflict is not over and if the right conditions are created we will spiral back into violence.

And if you can find a word of 'defence' of last night's actions in my posts, that would be good.

whisky_galore · 21-01-2019 07:56PM

They must have tired of diesel laundering, settling old scores and fringe drug trade activity.
Such patriots.

horsebox1977 · 21-01-2019 07:57PM

GinAndBitter wrote: »

I know that, but we are talking about intent. If the intent was to kill and cause as much damage as possible they wouldnt have planted a bomb on a quiet street outside a closed courthouse and phoned in a warning.

This bombing in itself is a warning, "look what we can do". If they wanted people dead they would be dead.

Correction.
They phoned in multiple warnings from what I can see.

Wheres Me Jumper? · 21-01-2019 07:57PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Orders come from high up, defend ANYTHING "republican" no matter what.

Same posters saying the same things over and over for years, blame anyone but the brave boys.

"Good republicans" all :rolleyes:

i agree it's depressingly repetitive. and people wonder why i dont travel north.

screw the border, we need a frickin wall:eek:

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2019 07:59PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i agree it's depressingly repetitive. and people wonder why i dont travel north.

screw the border, we need a frickin wall:eek:

Seriously, can you not find another thread to troll?

joe40 · 21-01-2019 08:04PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

maccored wrote: »

lets wait until a no brexit happens. If theres a hard border, I can guarantee you will be proved wrong. You'll be very much in the minority

no i wont. i rarely if ever travel North. if i ever do have reason to do so, and a customs official asks me to present my ID i will have no problem. if i have to wait in a queue to cross that border i really will not care.

this whole issue is being hyped beyond all reason, and Leo needs to be very careful or he'll end up with the very thing he says he wants to avoid.

Wtf kind of post is that. Literally thousands of people cross the border everyday. There are cross border workers in both direction. Any kind of border infrastructure would be a massive inconvenience and seriously destabilising. Those car bombers don't have public support but they can still do a lot of damage.

steddyeddy · 21-01-2019 08:15PM

Folkstonian wrote: »

No I think you are wrong.

A hard border, whilst certainly undesirable socially and economically, does not ‘inevitably’ lead to violence.

Nobody is compelled to construct explosives, put them in vehicles, and detonate them in busy public areas.

These are all simply decisions made by the worst examples of humanity.

I do feel though, with the media and in some cases politicians, warning of an ‘inevitable return to violence’ with a hard border, this kind of person is made to feel that there is an expectation, and therefore a kind of rationalisation, for such reckless and obscene criminal acts.

This is just not the case at all.

No they're not compelled but what's happening again is the UK is completely disregarding the peace process because British nationalism. The Good Friday agreement is being put in danger and a psychotic loyalist party is in bed with the Tory party. This is all bound to make tensions rise considerably. Violence isn't compelled but it's to be expected if the trends we're seeing now continue.

I could go into a loyalist estate and hate British people. Only the biggest knuckle draggers would attack me but that doesn't mean I didn't act in a way to provoke the violence.

Sure violence is a choice but endangering a peace process also unsurprisingly can be held responsible for the loss of peace.

Sureal · 21-01-2019 08:17PM

It's not just British people who lack knowledge on the north, many southerners are clueless also!

zapitastas · 21-01-2019 08:46PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

i agree it's depressingly repetitive. and people wonder why i dont travel north.

screw the border, we need a frickin wall:eek:

I would imagine that people re in constant wonder alright. Inundated with offers to travel north of the border are you?

21-01-2019 08:47PM

Wheres Me Jumper? wrote: »

they are just criminals nothing more nothing less.
the way certain posters here are trying to "glamourise" them you'd be forgiven for thinking they enjoy this type of reckless criminality.

unfortunately for the people of the north, there are plenty of idiots in the south, tucked safely behind their keyboards, who are busy willing on and making excuses for a few impressionable young idiots who think it is great fun to set off car bombs.

there are plenty of people on here who are cho,ping at the bitfor the trouble to kick off again, because they can tenuously blame da Brits for it.

It's sad really, expecially when half of them weren't even a stirring in their fathers y fronts when some of the owrst of the violence was taking place.

Car bomb has exploded in Derry City Centre

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