Tokyo 2020 Qualifying. Athletes to watch

Lazare · 11-01-2019 2:50pm #1

With qualifying open for some events can people advise on athletes to follow on social media and elsewhere.

I'm listening to Scullion's podcast documenting his journey and it's fascinating.

Also, who to look out for in July when other events open.

Goose76 · 11-01-2019 5:32pm

Just came on to echo Scullion. Really enjoying the podcast as well.

Duanington · 11-01-2019 10:31pm

For the marathon men I suppose we're looking at Scullion, Pollock, Seaward, Clohisey, Sean Hehir? I'm not sure Dave Flynn is quite in amongst it yet

Women, I assume Lizzy Lee will give it a crack, Laura Graham, don't think Fionulla is back at it yet, anyone else...?

Limpy · 12-01-2019 7:54pm

The american based lad who runs the ultras. He might feature. Think he did a 2:19 debut, forget his name.

OOnegative · 12-01-2019 8:21pm

Limpy wrote: »

The american based lad who runs the ultras. He might feature. Think he did a 2:19 debut, forget his name.

As Irish as you'll get, Paddy O Leary.

Duanington · 14-01-2019 1:15am

OOnegative wrote: »

As Irish as you'll get, Paddy O Leary.

Yes, forgot about that lad - there's a IMRA lad that I run with a bit that has been singing Paddy's praises for a while now, apparently he's targetting the qualifying time too

AhhHere · 20-01-2019 4:01pm

OOnegative wrote: »

As Irish as you'll get, Paddy O Leary.

Paddy came 9th in the Hong Kong 100km this weekend.

TFBubendorfer · 20-01-2019 6:57pm

AhhHere wrote: »

Paddy came 9th in the Hong Kong 100km this weekend.

That's a quality placement in a very high quality field.
But sadly the 100k is not an Olympic event!

Glencarraig · 20-01-2019 8:16pm

2.14 for Scullion in Huston today, super run, finished 10th

Lazare · 20-01-2019 9:25pm

What difference if any will Scullion's result today make to Mick Clohissy's London prep or target?

ultrapercy · 20-01-2019 9:29pm

Lazare wrote: »

What difference if any will Scullion's result today make to Mick Clohissy's London prep or target?

None I would say. Mick will approach London looking for his best ever performance same as he does in any target race. It possibly puts a bit more pressure on all the other likely candidates but that can be motivating and is part of sport at thathe level.

El CabaIIo · 20-01-2019 11:24pm

These are the people who are nearly deadcerts or who have a chance if they make a breakthrough and if the standards are similar to Rio

100/200m:

Leon Reid
Gina Apke-Moses
Phil Healy
Patience Jumbo Gula
Ciara Neville
Marcus Lawlor
Rhadisat Adekele
Sharlene Mawdsley

400m:

Phil Healy
Davicia Patterson
Brian Gregan

800m:

Mark English
Ciara Everard
Sarah Healy
Siofra Cleirigh-Buttner
Claire Mooney
Dean Cronin
Zack Curran

1500m:

Ciara Mageann
Sarah Healy
Paul Robinson

Marathon:

Stephen Scullion
Fionnuala McCormack
Kevin Seaward
Lizzie Lee
Mick Clohissey
Emma Mitchell
Kevin Batt
Sean Hehir
Paul Pollock
Breege Connolly
Sergiu Ciobanu
Gladys Ganiel
Catriona Jennings
Gary O'Hanlon
Mark Kirwan
Claire McCarthy
Laura Graham
And on and on

110mH:

Ben Reynolds

400mH:

Thomas Barr

3000m Steeple:

Michelle Finn
Sara Treacy
Kerry O'Flaherty

High Jump:

Sommer Lecky

20/50k Walks:

Alex Wright
Cian McManamon
Brendan Boyce

A few other very good young athletes out there too now who are a good bit off but might be in the mix in a year and a half.

AhhHere · 21-01-2019 10:12am

Paul Pollock on Twitter is questioning if Stephen's Houston race this weekend counts towards qualification. I think he's saying it's only certain races before june that count - but I might be completely wrong. Bit over my head if someone knows any more? https://twitter.com/ppmarathon/status/1087025235000520706

Would this mean Stephen would have to go again later this year for a similar time?

spc78 · 21-01-2019 11:04am

AhhHere wrote: »

Would this mean Stephen would have to go again later this year for a similar time?

I think Paul has misunderstood the wording (which is worrying - Athletics Ireland should surely have informed all Irish Possibles of the exact means of qualification??)

I believe 'exceptional' performance IS the meeting of the qualifying standard - however I don't believe the standards have been set yet? (but I would be surprised if its set faster than 2:16:00). And the window for the marathon opened 1st January, so scullions time counts.

The 'world ranking' means of qualifying is not something that is likely to apply to Irish marathoners. To qualify for the marathon you need to be faster than the Olympic qualifying standard (not set yet - but assume 2:16:00 as thats whats set for Doha) and be one of the top 3 Irish.

I can't see 3 people beating Scullions time.

RayCun · 21-01-2019 11:24am

It's a bit weird that Pollock doesn't know, the document is clear

Qualification period:  10,000m, Marathon, Race Walks and Combined Events: from 1 January 2019 to 29 June 2020

and later in the document

1 January 2019 Start of the qualification period for 10,000m, Marathon, Race Walk, Combined Events and Relays.
1 July 2019 Start of the qualification period for all other events.
1 November 2019 IAAF to confirm the entry standards for all events. The standards will be distributed to all NOCs and NFs.

... so the entry standards have not yet been set

Chivito550 · 21-01-2019 11:30am

El CabaIIo wrote: »

These are the people who are nearly deadcerts or who have a chance if they make a breakthrough and if the standards are similar to Rio

100/200m:

Leon Reid
Gina Apke-Moses
Phil Healy
Patience Jumbo Gula
Ciara Neville
Marcus Lawlor
Rhadisat Adekele
Sharlene Mawdsley

400m:

Phil Healy
Davicia Patterson
Brian Gregan

800m:

Mark English
Ciara Everard
Sarah Healy
Siofra Cleirigh-Buttner
Claire Mooney
Dean Cronin
Zack Curran

1500m:

Ciara Mageann
Sarah Healy
Paul Robinson

Marathon:

Stephen Scullion
Fionnuala McCormack
Kevin Seaward
Lizzie Lee
Mick Clohissey
Emma Mitchell
Kevin Batt
Sean Hehir
Paul Pollock
Breege Connolly
Sergiu Ciobanu
Gladys Ganiel
Catriona Jennings
Gary O'Hanlon
Mark Kirwan
Claire McCarthy
Laura Graham
And on and on

110mH:

Ben Reynolds

400mH:

Thomas Barr

3000m Steeple:

Michelle Finn
Sara Treacy
Kerry O'Flaherty

High Jump:

Sommer Lecky

20/50k Walks:

Alex Wright
Cian McManamon
Brendan Boyce

A few other very good young athletes out there too now who are a good bit off but might be in the mix in a year and a half.

Not too many dead certs in there I’m afraid.

Most of the track athletes above are highly unlikely to qualify.

I suspect we’ll have 6-8 athletes on the track/field to make it (excluding relays, which are a stretch too).

The 800m has some 500-1 shots in there to be honest.

Sorry for being so pessimistic but for the most part we were shocking at European level last year, and the step up to global level is significant.

It also might be a bit too soon for our young talent, but hopefully a couple of them can make it. Would be great experience for them.

fishy21 · 21-01-2019 12:14pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Not too many dead certs in there I’m afraid.

Most of the track athletes above are highly unlikely to qualify.

I suspect we’ll have 6-8 athletes on the track/field to make it (excluding relays, which are a stretch too).

The 800m has some 500-1 shots in there to be honest.

Sorry for being so pessimistic but for the most part we were shocking at European level last year, and the step up to global level is significant.

It also might be a bit too soon for our young talent, but hopefully a couple of them can make it. Would be great experience for them.

I tend to agree. Simply qualifying for most of those athletes would be a great achievement.

But hopefully their development over the next year increases.

El CabaIIo · 21-01-2019 12:36pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Not too many dead certs in there I’m afraid.

Most of the track athletes above are highly unlikely to qualify.

I suspect we’ll have 6-8 athletes on the track/field to make it (excluding relays, which are a stretch too).

The 800m has some 500-1 shots in there to be honest.

Sorry for being so pessimistic but for the most part we were shocking at European level last year, and the step up to global level is significant.

It also might be a bit too soon for our young talent, but hopefully a couple of them can make it. Would be great experience for them.

Yeah I know but that's a list of people who are in the hunt going off the Rio standard and are people to watch.

The deadcerts really are the marathoners, walkers, Reid, Mageann but that's if the standards arre the same

El CabaIIo · 21-01-2019 1:58pm

spc78 wrote: »

I think Paul has misunderstood the wording (which is worrying - Athletics Ireland should surely have informed all Irish Possibles of the exact means of qualification??)

I believe 'exceptional' performance IS the meeting of the qualifying standard - however I don't believe the standards have been set yet? (but I would be surprised if its set faster than 2:16:00). And the window for the marathon opened 1st January, so scullions time counts.

The 'world ranking' means of qualifying is not something that is likely to apply to Irish marathoners. To qualify for the marathon you need to be faster than the Olympic qualifying standard (not set yet - but assume 2:16:00 as thats whats set for Doha) and be one of the top 3 Irish.

I can't see 3 people beating Scullions time.

Sorry I deleted my post but I wanted to clear things up. It appears that "exceptional performances" entry standard will be top-10 fastest in the World that year going by flotrack and theiir source for what was originally planned for Doha(so as to help young up and coming athletes and injured athletes who didn't reach the quota). It will be used where an athlete couldn't compete enough to qualify by World ranking. So everyone outside of the top 10 performances in a year will be qualifying by Ranking.

https://www.flotrack.org/articles/6266921-iaaf-walks-back-world-rankings-restores-usual-qualifying-system-for-2019

For anyone outside those parameters, One fast time performance won't guarantee anything looking at this.

https://worldrankings-staging.aws.ia...e=world&page=1

I then presume that if they want the field to be 100, they will take the top 3 ranked from each country or whoever is inside that rank and they will qualify. Half marathons will also count towards ranking points and the higher quality races with Gold labels and ranks of competitors in races will be used to distribute points. From what I've heard, athletes will be designated a label just like races. i.e

Platinum athlete
Gold athlete
Silver athlete
Bronze athlete

The more athletes of platinum label in the race, the higher the ranking points will be. So if Scullion for instance doesn't race again, it would be conceivable that he could have less ranking points than 3 other athletes and not qualify. The window for rankings appears to be 2 years as you can see Mo Farah is still ranked number 1 in the 10000m despite not running a track race in 17 months and he is only 8th in the marathon after winning Chicago and a 3rd in London, the guys who run a lot of half marathons are also ahead of him.

It's an extremely convulted process by the looks of it.

TheBigGreen · 07-02-2019 1:47pm

Sports Ireland announce 2019 funding grants for athletes

OOnegative · 09-02-2019 9:01am

Some will have heard of him, see Ciaran Faherty is possibly targeting 2.15 at the Tokyo Marathon on March 3rd. He’s originally from the west of Ireland but living in New Zealand now. His current PB is 2.21.xx from what I can find, so it’s a massive step up.

El CabaIIo · 09-02-2019 9:49am

OOnegative wrote: »

Some will have heard of him, see Ciaran Faherty is possibly targeting 2.15 at the Tokyo Marathon on March 3rd. He’s originally from the west of Ireland but living in New Zealand now. His current PB is 2.21.xx from what I can find, so it’s a massive step up.

Isn't that the guy that was posting here a while back before running Limerick?

OOnegative · 09-02-2019 9:54am

El CabaIIo wrote: »

Isn't that the guy that was posting here a while back before running Limerick?

That’s the chap alright, he won the Limerick Half that year I think?

Edit: Was wrong, only 3rd in 2017.

El CabaIIo · 09-02-2019 10:00am

OOnegative wrote: »

That’s the chap alright, he won the Limerick Half that year I think?

I just checked up there, Kevin Maunsell won it with Ciaran in second in 68:30.

OOnegative · 17-02-2019 11:48am

https://www.the42.ie/david-flynn-interview-4492060-Feb2019/

Interesting article on David Flynn.

AhhHere · 17-02-2019 12:00pm

OOnegative wrote: »

https://www.the42.ie/david-flynn-interview-4492060-Feb2019/

Interesting article on David Flynn.

Good read. Strange headline. Can't help but compare hime to Scullion as I'm listening to his podcast. Flynn says he thinks anyone who's married isn't really a full time runner. Sounds like he's going head first into training and putting all his focus on it. Leaving everything else aside.

Why I mention Scullion is he talked about doing this in previous training session but it was healthy for him in the long run. His coach or psychologist (can't remember which) asked him to rate different aspects of his life out of ten. His relationship with partners and family was low so he worked on improving them. He now finds having a more balanced approach to training and not letting it consume and define him helps him prepare mentally and ultimately perform better.

Two different approaches and likely competitors for Tokyo. Interesting to see how each of them do.

bryangiggsy · 18-02-2019 11:29am

TheBigGreen wrote: »

Sports Ireland announce 2019 funding grants for athletes

Its incredible how crap this funding is ....7 or 8 athletes benefit.
Sad in this day and age we do not support our athletes.

18-02-2019 1:32pm

bryangiggsy wrote: »

Its incredible how crap this funding is ....7 or 8 athletes benefit.
Sad in this day and age we do not support our athletes.

I always assumed they got the amount quoted but Ciara Mageean was on Newstalk yesterday. She said they pay tax on the amount as well so in reality they get a lot less than quoted.

average_runner · 18-02-2019 2:56pm

Exactly wrote: »

I always assumed they got the amount quoted but Ciara Mageean was on Newstalk yesterday. She said they pay tax on the amount as well so in reality they get a lot less than quoted.

Well they only pay tax if they are registered as living in Ireland. Now if the athlete
stays in Ireland they get a nice tax sum back after retirement.

If they decide to train in another country they don't pay tax on the grant but lose out on the tax sum after retirement.

Think that's how it works.

OOnegative · 03-03-2019 9:30am

OOnegative wrote: »

Some will have heard of him, see Ciaran Faherty is possibly targeting 2.15 at the Tokyo Marathon on March 3rd. He’s originally from the west of Ireland but living in New Zealand now. His current PB is 2.21.xx from what I can find, so it’s a massive step up.

2.18.47 for Ciaran In the early hours this morning in Tokyo, came strong in the second half of the race in atrocious weather conditions a big PB to boot. Time maybe a way outside what will go to Tokyo next year but he has another shot now to run another marathon in better weather conditions.

Edit: He was first sub-elite also.

Swashbuckler · 03-03-2019 10:03am

OOnegative wrote:

2.18.47 for Ciaran In the early hours this morning in Tokyo, came strong in the second half of the race in atrocious weather conditions a big PB to boot. Time maybe a way outside what will go to Tokyo next year but he has another shot now to run another marathon in better weather conditions.

Do you have to get the app to search for specific athlete?

OOnegative · 03-03-2019 10:24am

Swashbuckler wrote: »

Do you have to get the app to search for specific athlete?

The results are up on Watch Athletics without downloading the app P.

Swashbuckler · 03-03-2019 11:13am

OOnegative wrote:

The results are up on Watch Athletics without downloading the app P.

Cheers B. Can't seem to search for the lad I want. No worries

brutes1 · 03-03-2019 3:08pm

OOnegative wrote: »

2.18.47 for Ciaran In the early hours this morning in Tokyo, came strong in the second half of the race in atrocious weather conditions a big PB to boot. Time maybe a way outside what will go to Tokyo next year but he has another shot now to run another marathon in better weather conditions.

Edit: He was first sub-elite also.

Great run by him, more to come Id expect , he is very talented

OOnegative · 03-03-2019 4:05pm

brutes1 wrote: »

Great run by him, more to come Id expect , he is very talented

Seems to be alright & at 31 he’s a few years left in him yet injuries permitting. Very talented chef to by looks of things.

healy1835 · 11-03-2019 8:20am

New marathon standard, 2:11:30, looks pretty out of reach for most, if not all, trying for Tokyo. Am I reading it wrong in saying that even with the bonus for winning national champs, you would still need to back it up with a fast marathon or half marathon?
You'd hope that it will raise the bar and all that, but this Olympics may be too soon for that to happen?

Flynnboslice · 11-03-2019 8:56am

healy1835 wrote: »

New marathon standard, 2:11:30, looks pretty out of reach for most, if not all, trying for Tokyo. Am I reading it wrong in saying that even with the bonus for winning national champs, you would still need to back it up with a fast marathon or half marathon?
You'd hope that it will raise the bar and all that, but this Olympics may be too soon for that to happen?

The standards appear harder across the board because of the shift towards the new ranking system.

Dublin marathon winner not guaranteed without the time (previously you had to win in under 2.18 so that it met standard as well as the selection policy)

However it does now mean that Dublin performances carry more weight than other races of similar stature (Clohiseys 2.15 run in Dublin last yer worth more than Scullions 2.14 in Houston)

Will also mean that Fionualla choosing Boston as her return marathon will carry more weight than simply time this year

Krusty_Clown · 11-03-2019 9:55am

Flynnboslice wrote: »

However it does now mean that Dublin performances carry more weight than other races of similar stature (Clohiseys 2.15 run in Dublin last yer worth more than Scullions 2.14 in Houston)

Will also mean that Fionualla choosing Boston as her return marathon will carry more weight than simply time this year

Why do you say that? Have they announced what races are eligible for world ranking criteria? Is it based on the IAAF accreditation system?
Houston and Dublin are both IAAF rules compliant, so wouldn't it come down to times/ rankings?

While Boston is eligible from a world rankings perspective (with adjustment) it is not eligible from an entry standards perspective, so not sure where that would leave Fionnuala. Without another planned marathon, she'd likely have to wait out the qualification window, to make sure she's made it, but given the new qualification standards, it's unlikely we'll see anyone making the standard (apart from Sinead Diver running for Australia), so she should be fine with a good performance (assuming the downward adjustment isn't too great).
I'm assuming we still get to send a quota for each event, or has that changed?

RayCun · 11-03-2019 10:05am

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I'm assuming we still get to send a quota for each event, or has that changed?

It hasn't changed.
Ireland don't automatically get to send three athletes, but Kenya can only send three.

Does this then remove the discretion of the Olympic committees, I wonder? Do Kenya have to send their top three ranked marathoners?

Flynnboslice · 11-03-2019 10:08am

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

Flynnboslice wrote: »

However it does now mean that Dublin performances carry more weight than other races of similar stature (Clohiseys 2.15 run in Dublin last yer worth more than Scullions 2.14 in Houston)

Will also mean that Fionualla choosing Boston as her return marathon will carry more weight than simply time this year

Why do you say that? Have they announced what races are eligible for world ranking criteria? Is it based on the IAAF accreditation system?
Houston and Dublin are both IAAF rules compliant, so wouldn't it come down to times/ rankings?

While Boston is eligible from a world rankings perspective (with adjustment) it is not eligible from an entry standards perspective, so not sure where that would leave Fionnuala. Without another planned marathon, she'd likely have to wait out the qualification window, to make sure she's made it, but given thee new qualification standards, it's unlikely we'll see anyone making the standard (apart from Sinead Diver running for Australia), so she should be fine with a good performance (assuming the downward adjustment isn't too great).

National Championships are weighted higher but below gold label marathons.

For McCormack the placings would offset some of the time discrepancy fir the ranking purposes

https://www.iaaf.org/world-ranking-rules/basics

Duanington · 11-03-2019 11:21am

Jaysus I'm lost with this one now

RayCun · 11-03-2019 11:30am

There was a programme on RTE in the last Olympic cycle about people trying to qualify for Rio. I seem to remember that the kick-boxer and the cyclist had basically the same qualification procedure - they had to compete in certain events, and get to the later stages of those events, to accumulate ranking points. That's how I'm thinking of athletics qualification - getting points for doing well in recognized competitions.

Flynnboslice · 11-03-2019 1:08pm

RayCun wrote: »

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

I'm assuming we still get to send a quota for each event, or has that changed?

It hasn't changed.
Ireland don't automatically get to send three athletes, but Kenya can only send three.

Does this then remove the discretion of the Olympic committees, I wonder? Do Kenya have to send their top three ranked marathoners?

Bit unclear on this one but I imagine Kenya won’t be a nation influenced by rankings for distance events as they would come under the auto qualifier spots (50%) rankings would influence the other 50% which is why auto qualifiers have gone up nearly across the board 10.05 for 100 and 13.13 for 5k (which would have rule out Silver medalist Paul Chelimo in Rio)

Itziger · 12-03-2019 9:01am

RayCun wrote: »

There was a programme on RTE in the last Olympic cycle about people trying to qualify for Rio. I seem to remember that the kick-boxer and the cyclist had basically the same qualification procedure - they had to compete in certain events, and get to the later stages of those events, to accumulate ranking points. That's how I'm thinking of athletics qualification - getting points for doing well in recognized competitions.

I haven't been following these new regulations at all. However, there is an obvious snag in trying to compare athletics with say boxing and giving weight to certain competitions. It makes sense to recognise opposition in boxing, that goes without saying. No-one is going to pretend that winning the Urbino Regional boxing festival comp is the same as winning or coming third/fourth in the European Champs. However, once a course is fair and properly measured and so on, a 2.11 marathon is a 2.11 marathon, whether run in Urbino or Paris. If anything the smaller competition could be said to be tougher in athletics cos the field wouldn't be near as strong. I'm confused.

Note: I have no connection with Urbino one way or another I just pulled it out of me ar$e like the banker with the 15 billion figure.

RayCun · 12-03-2019 10:03am

Itziger wrote: »

However, once a course is fair and properly measured and so on, a 2.11 marathon is a 2.11 marathon, whether run in Urbino or Paris. If anything the smaller competition could be said to be tougher in athletics cos the field wouldn't be near as strong.

The rankings and the time positions are separate, I think.
2.11 is 2.11 wherever you run it.

But if you run a Diamond league 800m, or a national championship 800m, and win it, that gives you more ranking points than winning a small meet against no real competition. So there's an incentive for runners to race competitively instead of looking for meets where they'll get a pacer for the first 600 and no-one else in the field.

Duanington · 12-03-2019 10:50am

So....the marathon for example, where does this realistically leave us?

Will we have any women travel? There's nobody in that kind of form at the moment, nobody on the cusp of 2.29 ( which I think is the women's standard now)

We have 2\3 men who could potentially dip under 2.14 before then but 2.11 looks out of reach.

The alternative route is via the rankings but sure we're nowhere near the top 100 there either

Itziger · 12-03-2019 10:59am

RayCun wrote: »

The rankings and the time positions are separate, I think.
2.11 is 2.11 wherever you run it.

But if you run a Diamond league 800m, or a national championship 800m, and win it, that gives you more ranking points than winning a small meet against no real competition. So there's an incentive for runners to race competitively instead of looking for meets where they'll get a pacer for the first 600 and no-one else in the field.

Yeah, that makes sense, especially with regards paced/time trial 800s and such like.

RayCun · 12-03-2019 11:05am

Duanington wrote: »

So....the marathon for example, where does this realistically leave us?

Will we have any women travel? There's nobody in that kind of form at the moment, nobody on the cusp of 2.29 ( which I think is the women's standard now)

We have 2\3 men who could potentially dip under 2.14 before then but 2.11 looks out of reach.

The alternative route is via the rankings but sure we're nowhere near the top 100 there either

The thing about the rankings is that half the top 100 are from Kenya and Ethiopia, and only six of them can go. (Similarly in the sprints, lots of Americans in the top 100 who can't go) So 'top 100' isn't the standard, I don't know what it will be.

But Lizzie Lee was saying on twitter that, aside from the rankings/standards changes, the number of women in the marathon is being cut.

spc78 · 12-03-2019 12:34pm

under the new rules Irish athletes will qualify via the rankings rather than the standard. given the the national championships are worth 45/35/30 ranking points, wouldn't Irelands best chance of sending 3 athletes to the games be to make the national championships a different race, say a 4 lap flat course so that the athletes could set a fast time AND get the ranking points? A German who wins their own national championships in Berlin will end up higher up the rankings than an irish person winning their own NC.

An athletes best chance of qualifying is to maximise their ranking points over 2 races by placing 1,2 or 3rd in their national championships and running a second fast race, bonus points if they can place top 12 at a gold label or top at a Silver label marathon - thats not easy to do and other athletes will have the same idea - find a gold or silver race thats fast and doesn't have a deep field.....it'll get a bump in entries in the qualifying window if 10 athletes all have the same idea! But it remains that athletes who's national championships marathon is held on a fast course have an advantage over athletes whose NC is on a 'slower' course - e.g Dublin.

AuldManKing · 12-03-2019 2:23pm

RayCun wrote: »

The rankings and the time positions are separate, I think.
2.11 is 2.11 wherever you run it.

But if you run a Diamond league 800m, or a national championship 800m, and win it, that gives you more ranking points than winning a small meet against no real competition. So there's an incentive for runners to race competitively instead of looking for meets where they'll get a pacer for the first 600 and no-one else in the field.

So the level of competition in Diamond leagues and 'Gold Star' races just increased - so places will be fewer for Athletes lower down in the rankings - A vicious circle??

spc78 wrote: »

under the new rules Irish athletes will qualify via the rankings rather than the standard. given the the national championships are worth 45/35/30 ranking points, wouldn't Irelands best chance of sending 3 athletes to the games be to make the national championships a different race, say a 4 lap flat course so that the athletes could set a fast time AND get the ranking points? A German who wins their own national championships in Berlin will end up higher up the rankings than an irish person winning their own NC.

An athletes best chance of qualifying is to maximise their ranking points over 2 races by placing 1,2 or 3rd in their national championships and running a second fast race, bonus points if they can place top 12 at a gold label or top at a Silver label marathon - thats not easy to do and other athletes will have the same idea - find a gold or silver race thats fast and doesn't have a deep field.....it'll get a bump in entries in the qualifying window if 10 athletes all have the same idea! But it remains that athletes who's national championships marathon is held on a fast course have an advantage over athletes whose NC is on a 'slower' course - e.g Dublin.

There wont be any change to this years National Marathon Champs - but it'll make it a hell of a race!!
I wonder who then will do the World Champs as it would be crazy for an Olympic hopeful to even consider this race.

I guess the guys racing Spring Marathons this year (Clohisey) will have 3 attempts to get a good time/ranking points vrs the guys not doing a Spring Marathon (Scullion) who may only have 2 attempts.

How does a good HM time compare with a good Mara time in the rankings? Is it similar points for similar performance?

RayCun · 12-03-2019 2:35pm

AuldManKing wrote: »

So the level of competition in Diamond leagues and 'Gold Star' races just increased - so places will be fewer for Athletes lower down in the rankings - A vicious circle??

Maybe, I don't know if it will make much difference though, always hard to get into DL.

I'm still amused by Seb Coe introducing a rule to get athletes to race their competition.

AuldManKing wrote: »

How does a good HM time compare with a good Mara time in the rankings? Is it similar points for similar performance?

Similar points for times, I think, but the placing scores are higher for a marathon.
https://www.iaaf.org/world-ranking-rules/road-running

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