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Gardaí Can't be bothered to investigate 3500 children committing...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    you have clearly never encountered actual "terrible and corrupt" police; no shortage of places in Europe and further afield where interaction with police, even by ordinary citizens, is regarded as an excuse for a bribe/ on the spot "fines"/ illegal impounding of cars or personal property, as a matter of routine. Why dont you ask a Garda to explain why prosecuting so-called children is so difficult in Ireland. You'll get an education.

    Whataboutery doesn't work. We all saw what they did to their own with Maurice McCabe for example.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    It's training to do their job FFS. . . . not an academic diploma, even if they call it that.


    Isn't that also the case for nurses and teachers?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Isn't that also the case for nurses and teachers?

    Teachers are qualified in all sorts of disciplines with science, business, maths degrees and others. I'm not quite sure what the situation is with nursing but my understanding is that they require a qualification to degree level such has been the changing role and demands that have evolved and have been placed on nurses over the past 20 years.

    I have the height of respect for the job that Gardai do but there needs to be some realism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,351 ✭✭✭Ray Palmer


    In December my mother had her purse stolen by a dodgy tradesman who entered her home. €350 was stolen. This was reported to AGS twice with the phone number of the person who stole it. Statements were provided.

    They did nothing.

    Last week I was flagged down by a member of AGS driving in a cycle lane. He claimed he saw me with my mobile in my hand. I denied that I had. He asked to see my drivers licence and proceeded to prosecute. 3 penalty points and a €65 fine.

    That's the police force we have.

    Nothing more than a revenue raising arm of the state. The fact that their Twitter name is @GardaTraffic pretty much says it all.
    Were you on the phone? Denying what they saw is very different to he said she said situations.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭thomasm


    What do the Guards do all day?

    Spend hours writing up cases files for prosecution only for judges to not to bother there asses sentencing


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    Stovepipe wrote: »
    you have clearly never encountered actual "terrible and corrupt" police; no shortage of places in Europe and further afield where interaction with police, even by ordinary citizens, is regarded as an excuse for a bribe/ on the spot "fines"/ illegal impounding of cars or personal property, as a matter of routine. Why dont you ask a Garda to explain why prosecuting so-called children is so difficult in Ireland. You'll get an education.

    I have never encountered Police as bad as you describe either, and I have travelled a fair bit...the most I ever saw was a few low level chancers looking for a small bribe for some motoring offence, and even that was extremely rare.

    Where did you encounter the ones you describe?
    Just curious like


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    yoke wrote: »
    They might be paid to investigate, but they are still human.
    Do you not think they’d get demoralised if the fruits of their work are thrown out the window back at them all the time, in the form of the judicial system not following up with any real punishment?
    Doesn’t have to be prison - could be something as simple as a dole reduction or putting them at the bottom of the housing list until reparations are paid to the victim. After all, one of the main reasons for having a generous welfare system (which I fully support) is to ensure that no one has to turn to a life of crime... that’s obviously not worked for someone with 100 convictions

    Why don't they leave the force and become judges? If they focused less on other people's jobs and more on their own, they could achieve more


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,192 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    This story is absolutely the worst. It is a shocking dereliction of duty.

    The new commissioner should be given a free hand, and whatever resources he needs, to weed out this culture of professional incompetence that seems to be afflicting the force at the moment. The Minister for Justice should order an immediate review, from the top to the bottom, of the criminal justice system in this country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    Teachers are qualified in all sorts of disciplines with science, business, maths degrees and others. I'm not quite sure what the situation is with nursing but my understanding is that they require a qualification to degree level such has been the changing role and demands that have evolved and have been placed on nurses over the past 20 years.

    I have the height of respect for the job that Gardai do but there needs to be some realism.


    You haven't said how they differ from the other two though. Gardaí can't get out of probation without completing their qualification. They all need a third level qualification to do the job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,035 ✭✭✭Feisar


    opfleet wrote: »
    Just because the offender wasn't identified does not mean "they did nothing"..A high rate of crimes like this go unsolved because there is no cctv, fingerprints, etc. A phone number is worth feck all. Very few avenues to investigate in these kind of situations. As for the traffic offence that you got nailed for, what has that got to do with anything? You admitted to driving in a cycle lane which is illegal. There is a huge sense of entitlement in this country that people feel they can drive without insurance, tax or park on a footpath instead of walking for 5 minutes. They would not have "revenue" to collect if people just obeyed the law. While these may seem like a bit of an insult, people become victims because of their own carelessness. I would not invite a tradesman into my house who was not locally known.

    I got done out by Hueston leaving the city because I was on my phone. My fault for not looking in the rear view. Was pulled over by a Garda on a motorbike who asked me why he was pulling me over.

    I said I presume it's not for avoiding the kamikaze on a bike but for taking a call?

    Winner! Three points.

    First they came for the socialists...



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,085 ✭✭✭The Tetrarch


    Eat donuts all day ...or so I've heard.
    May or may not be true!
    I called into a motorway services on Tuesday, a Garda car and a Garda van parked outside.
    Perhaps there were loads of people driving off without paying for fuel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,165 ✭✭✭Captain Obvious


    I called into a motorway services on Tuesday, a Garda car and a Garda van parked outside.
    Perhaps there were loads of people driving off without paying for fuel.


    Probably getting something to eat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭FGR


    tomoliver wrote: »
    How do the numbers compare internationally?

    Link - Garda is one of the smallest per capita Police Forces in EU
    The report, published by Eurostat on Friday, shows the State employs 278 gardaí per 100,000 citizens, which is 40 less than the EU average.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,327 ✭✭✭Alrigghtythen


    I called into a motorway services on Tuesday, a Garda car and a Garda van parked outside.
    Perhaps there were loads of people driving off without paying for fuel.

    https://youtu.be/fXXmeP9TvBg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,084 ✭✭✭kevthegaff


    Eat donuts all day ...or so I've heard.

    May or may not be true!
    at least their not eating meat..


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    What do the Guards do all day?

    According to the article...
    Letters of apology to some 3,480 individual and business victims are to be sent out by gardaí

    Garda Commissioner Drew Harris said the work of 3,400 gardaí is being examined by chief superintendents to see whether or not disciplinary measures are required, adding that most of the cases are concentrated in very busy divisions.

    The figure represents over 25% of the force!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    They are looking more like a farce than a force.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,206 ✭✭✭KaneToad


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    randd1 wrote: »

    Why anyone would be a Guard is beyond me.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    This is why we ended up with a generation of feral youth. They commit crimes and if they get caught, they either gave a fake apology or it got swept under the carpet.

    Remember these are as near as the worst of the worst of youth offenders. The ones that just about managed to avoid prison or possibly ones that have done time in youth detention.

    You look at your local skanger grouping, with the vast numbers involved here, it's likely that these have had crimes brushed under the carpet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,519 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    They should all be held to account and corrupt police (gardaí) should be stamped out 1st of all.

    Serious crimes should have minimum sentences and no other way about it.

    New super prison needed badly.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Damien360


    According to the article...



    Garda Commissioner Drew Harris said the work of 3,400 gardaí is being examined by chief superintendents to see whether or not disciplinary measures are required, adding that most of the cases are concentrated in very busy divisions.

    The figure represents over 25% of the force!

    I can imagine that a fair proportion of that 3400 is already retired so may not be 25% of serving Gardai.

    The law is making an ass of these. For example, if the local scrote gets caught, the Garda involved gets a trip to court also. Why ? Surely in simpler cases, one representative, suitably qualified, should be present. Why does a judge need to hear the testimony of a particular Garda ?

    Quite a few cases fail for very simple reasons, few of which are ethical, but are playing with words in the law. Another large amount, especially for drink drive cases fall on name and address issues. Whether you agree that the address should be correct or not, it is a paper exercise that should not matter. Person is present, same one as day in question, everyone saw him in the station, so why the box ticking exercise ?

    This nonsense goes on in juvenile cases and you can imagine how gardai (as many people would) might just say it's not worth it for the small stuff. Granted, some of the cases are more serious and inexcusable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭MarkHenderson


    Amazing how terrible and corrupt the gardai in this country are.

    Had a retired Gardai as an instructor on a CPC course a couple of years back and as anyone who has been on a CPC module will know more than 50% of the time is taken up shooting the breeze to get through the day. Some of the stuff and details he went into shocked me. The man actually got emotional about it and said he spent the last years in the job counting down the days until he could take retirement.

    They are all afraid to speak out on the record though as their lives would be destroyed. Sad stuff.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    gctest50 wrote: »
    She was stopped after performing an illegal right turn and smelled of whiskey :


    Independent TD Clare Daly has said she had a “hot whiskey” before being stopped by gardaí on suspicion of drink-driving after she performed an illegal turn on a road in Dublin last night.

    Yes but there were several aspects of Clare's arrest that were wrong and suspicious. They were out to get her without a shadow of a doubt.

    For example Gardai leaked the story straight away. GSOC report said;
    there does appear to be sufficient evidence to state, on the balance of probabilities, that some of the detail relating to Deputy Daly’s
    According to PULSE records, there were 36 separate transactions on the incident from 24 different people between around 2am and the first call to the Garda Press Office.

    Daly’s personal ID within the system was also accessed seven times during the time frame, by seven different members. Four were from Kilmainham garda station, one was from Pearse Street and two others were from Coolock and Newbridge stations.
    As part of the investigation, a Twitter account linked to the detective was found to have sent tweets to Clare Daly alluding to the incident.
    “How big was the hot whiskey?” one asked. “Boiling a bottle of Jameson & swallowing it doesn’t count as 1″.
    The garda said he could not recall sending these tweets to the TD and denied leaking any information.

    Statement from Clare;
    I was breathalysed but the equipment didn’t register a reading. I was arrested and handcuffed on the side of the road. I objected to being handcuffed and stated that I would willingly go to the Garda station. I was told by the arresting Garda that this was ‘procedure’.
    I was brought in a patrol car to the Kilmainham Garda Station – within 300 metres distance. At one point I was placed in a cell on my own. A doctor was called and I provided a urine sample. When I was released a female Garda told me to ‘come back when you are sober’.


    She was entitled to the presumption of innocence and that she had a right to privacy. She was cleared in the end by the way.

    Anyone who thinks it wasn't a deliberate attempt to discredit a left-wing TD who has raised issues of malpractice within the Garda Siochana is frankly an idiot given what we know now.


    Can you imagine them treating a Fine Gael TD in this manner?? Unthinkable.

    What did Shatter say when stopped for drink driving....?
    She was also asked by the then Fine Gael frontbench spokesman: "Don't you know who I am?"

    New evidence has emerged that apparently shows Mr Shatter, contrary to his claim, did not say he was asthmatic and was therefore unable to complete the breath test.

    Information made available to the Irish Independent about the incident about five years ago appears to contradict Mr Shatter's version of events.

    Informed sources familiar with the case say that the now Justice Minister:

    * Said nothing about being asthmatic, preventing him completing the test.

    * Intimated to the garda that it was unconstitutional to stop him as he was coming from the Dail and said: "Check your law book."

    * Appeared not to make a sufficient effort to complete the breath test.

    * Drove off without being waved on by the officer.

    ;) And the truth shall set you free...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 238 ✭✭MarkHenderson


    They should all be held to account and corrupt police (gardaí) should be stamped out 1st of all.

    Serious crimes should have minimum sentences and no other way about it.

    New super prison needed badly.

    Hard labour camps and chain gangs. Liberals have the country fu*ked


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    I think all the stuff Drew Harris is fessing up about shows how necessary it was to get an outsider for the job, He can do it because he wasn't part of the problem, The sins are not his so easier for him to confess about them. Those commissioners previous to him would have wanted to hide it because the blots were on their copybooks.
    Those people who get the letters of apology now, will they be able to sue the state ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    The coppers are only dealing with the breakdown of families in society

    No strong father figure in these young bucks lives to set them on the right road


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,171 ✭✭✭TheRepentent


    Last week I was flagged down by a member of AGS driving in a cycle lane. He claimed he saw me with my mobile in my hand. I denied that I had. He asked to see my drivers licence and proceeded to prosecute. 3 penalty points and a €65 fine.
    So the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that you did have the phone in your hand ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    So the state proved beyond a reasonable doubt that you did have the phone in your hand ?

    Proved nothing. . . I was asked if I had a phone in my hand. I denied that I had. Garda wasn't interested.

    I can contest it in court but run the risk of doubling 3 points to 6 with a fine of up to €1200 if I lose.

    Disgraceful & lacking the basic principles of what a democracy is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 399 ✭✭leestone


    They are among the best paid public servants in the country relative to their qualifications which, for the majority, does not extend beyond the Leaving Cert.

    New gardai are better paid than teachers, nurses, junior doctors. . . . There is a reason for this - the politicians see them as protecting the state and so look after them accordingly.

    It’s a level 7 degree from UL when the two year training is complete and most new entrants have a third level qualification before they join.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,267 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    leestone wrote: »
    It’s a level 7 degree from UL when the two year training is complete and most new entrants have a third level qualification before they join.

    It's not a degree. It's a training course.


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