Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

Eod100 · 16-01-2019 10:06AM

MOLF Hunter wrote: »

Would have to be Friday in that case as Racing would want Sunday?

Think there's usually 2 games on Sunday so potential for another one then too.

troyzer · 16-01-2019 10:07AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Think the sticking point will be the need to beat us by 4 match points though.

Well they just need to score while denying Munster a bonus. I think it's doable.

I'm not entirely sold on Munster's attacking threat against a solid squad. I can see them kicking a lot of penalties but maybe coming up blunt when going for tries.

I still think Munster are going to win and go through and I wonder if Montpellier will do them a favour.

But if I was a Munster fan, I'd be feeling the fear right now.

Cookiemunster · 16-01-2019 10:21AM

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

troyzer wrote: »

Well they just need to score while denying Munster a bonus. I think it's doable.

I'm not entirely sold on Munster's attacking threat against a solid squad. I can see them kicking a lot of penalties but maybe coming up blunt when going for tries.

I still think Munster are going to win and go through and I wonder if Montpellier will do them a favour.

But if I was a Munster fan, I'd be feeling the fear right now.

Fear? You're having a laugh. They were good on Sunday, but Castres were awful. Not a reflection on how good they were at all. And Castres scored twice and butchered a few other chances as well. They can be got at.

I respect them as they're good, but so are Munster.

troyzer · 16-01-2019 10:25AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Fear? You're having a laugh. They were good on Sunday, but Castres were awful. Not a reflection on how good they were at all. And Castres scored twice and butchered a few other chances as well. They can be got at.

I respect them as they're good, but so are Munster.

I know, which is why I'm backing Munster.

But I think Exeter will rightly feel they have a fighting chance.

MOLF Hunter · 16-01-2019 10:25AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Think there's usually 2 games on Sunday so potential for another one then too.

That's true, but BT would probably want an English side on at approx 4pm on a Sunday...all just speculation at this point though

thomond2006 · 16-01-2019 10:27AM

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Exeter have won plenty games on the road this season but I can't see past Munster. Munster will only be missing a maximum of three players from its first choice 23, that's pretty remarkable.

Buer · 16-01-2019 10:29AM

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MOLF Hunter wrote: »

That's true, but BT would probably want an English side on at approx 4pm on a Sunday...all just speculation at this point though

It's like you don't even try to be cryptic with your usernames anymore!

You've changed, man.

Eod100 · 16-01-2019 10:47AM

MOLF Hunter wrote: »

That's true, but BT would probably want an English side on at approx 4pm on a Sunday...all just speculation at this point though

Well there will be only 1 English side at home which is Saracens (Didn't want to jinx it by saying 1 England side at all.. :P) Judging by last few years, Racing qf will almost certainly be on the Sunday.

Think fixtures out usually within a few days of last round but would have been nice to book flights before airlines hike up the price!

Cookiemunster · 16-01-2019 11:16AM

Psycho Killer - "Hands Away" (Prop-Prop-Prrrroppp-Prop, Prop-Prop-Prop-Prrrrrrop-Prop)

Keatley to Treviso confirmed.

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1085495535103066113

thomond2006 · 16-01-2019 11:18AM

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Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021
Mike Sherry 2019

Diarmuid Barron Year 1
Eoghan Clarke Year 1

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 1
Josh Wycherley Year 1

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2019

Keynan Knox Year 2

Tadhg Beirne 2020
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 1
Sean O'Connor Year 3

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Dave O'Callaghan 2019
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 2

Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
James Hart 2019
Alby Mathewson March 2019
Conor Murray 2022
Duncan Williams 2019

Craig Casey Year 2
Jack Stafford Year 2

Tyler Bleyendaal 2019
Joey Carbery 2020
JJ Hanrahan 2021
Bill Johnston 2020

Ben Healy Year 1
Alan Tynan Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021
Jaco Taute 2019

Sean French Year 1
Alex McHenry Year 2
Matt More Year 2

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Stephen Fitzgerald 2019
Mike Haley 2021
Ronan O'Mahony 2019
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 2
James McCarthy Year 2
Jonathan Wren Year 1

2019/20 Movements:
IN: Nick McCarthy (SH, Leinster)
OUT: Ian Keatley (FH, Benetton)

2019/20 NIEs:
Arno Botha (capped), Chris Cloete (uncapped)

Eod100 · 16-01-2019 11:28AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Keatley to Treviso confirmed.

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1085495535103066113

Hopefully he will get regular game time. Could see him make an impact. Wonder would McKinley be included in Italian 6N squad?

phog · 16-01-2019 11:52AM

troyzer wrote: »

Well they just need to score while denying Munster a bonus. I think it's doable.

I'm not entirely sold on Munster's attacking threat against a solid squad. I can see them kicking a lot of penalties but maybe coming up blunt when going for tries.

I still think Munster are going to win and go through and I wonder if Montpellier will do them a favour.

But if I was a Munster fan, I'd be feeling the fear right now.

You'll be right on Saturday evening no matter what happens bar a draw

troyzer · 16-01-2019 11:55AM

phog wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Well they just need to score while denying Munster a bonus. I think it's doable.

I'm not entirely sold on Munster's attacking threat against a solid squad. I can see them kicking a lot of penalties but maybe coming up blunt when going for tries.

I still think Munster are going to win and go through and I wonder if Montpellier will do them a favour.

But if I was a Munster fan, I'd be feeling the fear right now.

You'll be right on Saturday evening no matter what happens bar a draw

phog · 16-01-2019 11:57AM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Keatley to Treviso confirmed.

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1085495535103066113

I'm disappointed at how his time in Munster went for him, the booing was a low point fro me so I can only imagine how it felt for him, the squad and his family and I hope we never hear it again from Munster fans.

I hope he can kick on from where he is currently in his rugby career - he deserves to finish on a high.

kuang1 · 16-01-2019 12:02PM

Stander Up and Fight

phog wrote: »

I'm disappointed at how his time in Munster went for him, the booing was a low point fro me so I can only imagine how it felt for him, the squad and his family and I hope we never hear it again from Munster fans.

I hope he can kick on from where he is currently in his rugby career - he deserves to finish on a high.

Ffs. For one last time... There was no booing. Watch it back. Sarcastic cheering by 20-ish morons in the crowd, but no booing.

Best of luck to Keatley. Shame for him that it didn't happen sooner as this season has been a non-event for him.

jacothelad · 16-01-2019 12:06PM

phog wrote: »

I'm disappointed at how his time in Munster went for him, the booing was a low point fro me so I can only imagine how it felt for him, the squad and his family and I hope we never hear it again from Munster fans.

I hope he can kick on from where he is currently in his rugby career - he deserves to finish on a high.

I'd still take him at Ulster in a heartbeat.

Sabre0001 · 16-01-2019 12:09PM

Guess Who's Back, Back Again? JJ's Back, Tell a Friend

Sad that things didn't work out in the end for Keatley, but hopefully enjoys his spell in Treviso. Still have great memories of his intercept in the Aviva and leaping out of my seat

Always seemed to enjoy the media and behind the scenes video stuff too - very positive influence.

phog · 16-01-2019 12:11PM

kuang1 wrote: »

Ffs. For one last time... There was no booing. Watch it back. Sarcastic cheering by 20-ish morons in the crowd, but no booing.

Best of luck to Keatley. Shame for him that it didn't happen sooner as this season has been a non-event for him.

Call it what you like - it wasn't acceptable then and it still rankles with me and I'm sure with others.

MOLF Hunter · 16-01-2019 12:13PM

Buer wrote: »

It's like you don't even try to be cryptic with your usernames anymore!

You've changed, man.

It's a giggle, I'm sure no one is going to be too sensitive...I'll only keep it for a wee while

Eod100 · 16-01-2019 12:24PM

kuang1 wrote: »

Best of luck to Keatley. Shame for him that it didn't happen sooner as this season has been a non-event for him.

Yeah was thinking Munster could have released him a bit earlier. But with Carberry in Ireland squad and JJ injured, guess Tyler will start with Bill Johnston on bench?

razorblunt · 16-01-2019 12:28PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

A potential Edinburgh v Munster game would be played on the Friday or Sunday if Edinburgh police say they can't support it on the Saturday.

Our first kid is due then.

Ah well, I'm sure the birth stuff is easy!

razorblunt · 16-01-2019 12:36PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Hopefully he will get regular game time. Could see him make an impact. Wonder would McKinley be included in Italian 6N squad?

I'm wondering if Allan is on the move post RWC?

Defunkd · 16-01-2019 04:46PM

phog wrote: »

I'm disappointed at how his time in Munster went for him, the booing was a low point fro me so I can only imagine how it felt for him, the squad and his family and I hope we never hear it again from Munster fans.

I hope he can kick on from where he is currently in his rugby career - he deserves to finish on a high.

I'm disappointed at how his time in Munster went too but i was never a fan of his. The 3 year contract he is finishing shouldn't have been given to him imo. Whatever way people want to dress it up, he's going as backup cover to an Italian club; that's a clear indication of his market value.

phog · 16-01-2019 04:51PM

Defunkd wrote: »

I'm disappointed at how his time in Munster went too but i was never a fan of his. The 3 year contract he is finishing shouldn't have been given to him imo. Whatever way people want to dress it up, he's going as backup cover to an Italian club; that's a clear indication of his market value.

He was never going to be as good as ROG and people needed to understand that, he played some good rugby for us but had a disaster of a year, a year many more players let themselves down too. He's Munster 2nd highest point scorer and is more than a decent cover for OH.

The Lost Sheep · 16-01-2019 05:22PM

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Defunkd wrote: »

I'm disappointed at how his time in Munster went too but i was never a fan of his. The 3 year contract he is finishing shouldn't have been given to him imo. Whatever way people want to dress it up, he's going as backup cover to an Italian club; that's a clear indication of his market value.

He will be first choice for a lot of next season with the world cup and 6 nations taking Allen and McKinley.
He deserved the contract extension and it was in that new contract that he started playing quite poorly.

Defunkd · 16-01-2019 06:33PM

phog wrote: »

He was never going to be as good as ROG and people needed to understand that, he played some good rugby for us but had a disaster of a year, a year many more players let themselves down too. He's Munster 2nd highest point scorer and is more than a decent cover for OH.

I've never heard anyone expect him to fill ROG's boots, or even compare them as being similar players, so this comparison is a retroactive defense against a standard that was never expected of him.

When JvG came, he said he was going to give every player an opportunity to prove hi.self (i assume he came here without much bias or in-depth knowledge of MR), Keatley was given his opportunity and now finds himself as cover for the A's. The coaching staff's decision is surely merit-based, as is the coaching staff across Europe who were informed by Keatley's agent that he would be available after May. If he was "more than decent cover for OH" he would have better options than cover at Treviso. His market value and demand has been shown.

Yeah, i could use proactive phrases like 'his valuable skillset isn't what Munster are looking for at this point in time" but that's the bs that gets used in break-ups. I neither love nor hate the man (or anything in between) and i'm not insulting him for going to Trev but he's just not good enough for 10, 12 or 15 in top-tier rugby.

The Lost Sheep · 16-01-2019 06:47PM

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Defunkd wrote: »

I've never heard anyone expect him to fill ROG's boots, or even compare them as being similar players, so this comparison is a retroactive defense against a standard that was never expected of him.

When JvG came, he said he was going to give every player an opportunity to prove hi.self (i assume he came here without much bias or in-depth knowledge of MR), Keatley was given his opportunity and now finds himself as cover for the A's. The coaching staff's decision is surely merit-based, as is the coaching staff across Europe who were informed by Keatley's agent that he would be available after May. If he was "more than decent cover for OH" he would have better options than cover at Treviso. His market value and demand has been shown.

Yeah, i could use proactive phrases like 'his valuable skillset isn't what Munster are looking for at this point in time" but that's the bs that gets used in break-ups. I neither love nor hate the man (or anything in between) and i'm not insulting him for going to Trev but he's just not good enough for 10, 12 or 15 in top-tier rugby.

But he was ROGs principal successor and therefore was compared to him when making mistakes/not capable of doing the things Munster fans just grew to expect from O Gara.
He is more than decent cover for OH and Treviso are signing him as theyre likely to lose 2 players to italian set up for most of next season.
He's a very decent 10 for any side bar the very top sides.

Defunkd · 16-01-2019 06:52PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

He will be first choice for a lot of next season with the world cup and 6 nations taking Allen and McKinley.
He deserved the contract extension and it was in that new contract that he started playing quite poorly.

I've no doubt he'll start 'cos of WC and i think he'll play better rugby in a smaller club where there is less pressure. He was noticed in Conn. when they were whipping boys and now he's returning to a bottom-half-of-the-table-side that teams expect to win against.
I'll disagree with you all day long about him meriting a 3 year contract because it has shown to be a poor decision but i'm not trying to change your mind. I'm not saddened that he's leaving but do think it should have happened much earlier.

The Lost Sheep · 16-01-2019 06:55PM

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Defunkd wrote: »

I've no doubt he'll start 'cos of WC and i think he'll play better rugby in a smaller club where there is less pressure. He was noticed in Conn. when they were whipping boys and now he's returning to a bottom-half-of-the-table-side that teams expect to win against.
I'll disagree with you all day long about him meriting a 3 year contract because it has shown to be a poor decision but i'm not trying to change your mind. I'm not saddened that he's leaving but do think it should have happened much earlier.

Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
His form completely merited the contract extension at the time. You cant argue against that.
And how could it have been earlier that he left unless you wanted Munster to pay him to leave by getting him out of his contract?

Defunkd · 16-01-2019 07:00PM

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

He's a very decent 10 for any side bar the very top sides.

Okay.

*whispers* ...or the mid-table sides...

Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

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