Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well it does if you are trying to claim that we have cheap alcohol in ireland.

Yeah, but nobody is, certainly not in comparison to other places.

But I doubt it that people decide to drink or not based on the price of the product in Spain, but rather how much it is in the local shop.

The argument is that it is not sufficiently expensive enough to deter those that abuse it from doing so.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Yeah, but nobody is, certainly not in comparison to other places.

But I doubt it that people decide to drink or not based on the price of the product in Spain, but rather how much it is in the local shop.

The argument is that it is not sufficiently expensive enough to deter those that abuse it from doing so.

and MUP will have no effect on those that abuse alcohol or at least this has not been shown to be true. Addicts are addicts. they will get their fix no matter what.

Leroy42 wrote: »

Of course it will impact on the Xmas bargains, but an extra what €50.

For what point? What does it achieve?

Leroy42 wrote: »

What market share does Grafenwalder have? Every person in Ireland is drinking 1 can a day? Give over.

The likes of Heinekin/Carlsberg and the growing craft beers are closer to the MUP, so that decreases the savings. Of course it will impact on the Xmas bargains, but an extra what €50.

Grafenwalder is just an example

What do you class as an infrequent drinker?

1 can a day for the year is not big consumption.

Heineken is 4.2% alcohol. Slab under MUP will need to be €39.77. Almost double the price of this Christmas

Carlsberg is 4.3% alcohol. Slab under MUP will need to be €40.71. Over do double the price of this Christmas

MUP penalises everybody in the country who purchase any quantity of alcohol outside the pubs

why should moderate drinkers who buy the discounted slab of 24 cans for Christmas or Easter be penalised because of the addictions of others?

I'm just going to keep posting these two websites here

www.thehomebrewcompany,ie
www.homebrewwest.ie

Currently have a Citra IPA (roughly 5.5-6% when bottled) bubbling away in the corner of my bedroom, the ingredients kit cost around €20 and I'll get somewhere between 35-40 pint bottles of beer from it (23 litre brew, you have to discard a few litres at the bottom depending on how much yeast sediment collects under the beer in the bucket)

I'd say the equipment needed to brew beer kits (which won't be affected by MUP since they're just malt extracts with hops) set me back €100 altogether - but that included the first 23L kit I brewed. Every purchase I've made from these companies since then has been in the region of €40 for two 23L kits, including bottle caps and carbonation drops.

I'd say these lads will enjoy a massive boom in sales once MUP goes in. All they'd need to do is send a few reps to freshers weeks with free samples and discounted starter equipment, and the sesh will live on :cool:

facehugger99 wrote: »

All I've seen are people bitching and moaning because they won't be able to buy their slabs of cheap piss.

Have you ever heard people reacting positively to things they like undergoing massive price inflation? :rolleyes:

Geuze wrote: »

If cheap drink is the problem, then society should be breaking down in Germany.

Cheapest 50cl can = 29cent
70cl spirits for 4.99

50cl beer in some pubs from 2.00

Yet they are a leading exporting nation, with low unemployment and low youth unemployment.

Maybe that's the case in Northern and Western cities like Stuttgart, Munich and Hamburg but have you been to the former DDR states?
Much higher unemployment, lower wages and fewer opportunities in states like Saxony and Thuringia. And from what I saw people drink more in the former Eastern states.

Much easier to do so when a crate of beer (11 bottles) cost less than €10 for 11 0.5L bottles.

facehugger99 wrote: »

Nearly 4,000 posts, the majority of which are people moaning about not being able to buy cheap piss, is a serious over reaction to a fairly minor issue.

Would make you wonder about the unhealthy relationship we seem to have with cheap alcohol in this country and ironically, makes a compelling argument for MUP.

Really, give us the statistical breakdown on those 4000 posts.
You are beyond parody at this stage.
Most of the recent posts I have seen are people utterly destroying your arguments, when you can be bothered to make them and not just rant about cheap drink yet you continue on, immune to logic.

facehugger99 wrote: »

The cheapslab lads don't like their echo-chamber acoustics being disturbed.

On the contrary, the debate here would be incredibly boring if we all agreed with eachother

Why is it that the non alcho beers are as dear as their alco version, yet the vat rates should be different, as vat and tax on the alco version is way high, what is the explanation for this

goat2 wrote: »

Why is it that the non alcho beers are as dear as their alco version, yet the vat rates should be different, as vat and tax on the alco version is way high, what is the explanation for this

VAT isn't different, it's the same 23%.

I'd say you mean the excise is zero?

NA weissbier is 4.30 in a GY pub.

Greentopia wrote: »

Maybe that's the case in Northern and Western cities like Stuttgart, Munich and Hamburg but have you been to the former DDR states?
Much higher unemployment, lower wages and fewer opportunities in states like Saxony and Thuringia. And from what I saw people drink more in the former Eastern states.

Much easier to do so when a crate of beer (11 bottles) cost less than €10 for 11 0.5L bottles.

They may or may not drink more in the east, it is an interesting question but either way its not a major issue. Likewise alcohol abuse in Ireland is massively overblown.