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Winter 2018/2019 - General Discussion

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭sideswipe


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,479 ✭✭✭Kamili


    just in time for the fun?

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRYPCW_YZWn_1hV9MM33DJtRYrb3EcMj-_3DwUw9O6mgDtaTIkt


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,426 ✭✭✭ZX7R


    Funny things looking a bit interesting for a bit of the white stuff around the 21st of January


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    Yes, there is certainly a pattern beginning to appear whereby cold weather will be in place from around January 21st. This morning's GFS run would certainly bring snow to Ireland, especially around January 23rd. This model output is far FI territory for now, but the trend is certainly holding, it is messy however. This is not a 'beast from the east' setup being progged. It is more a displacement of a polar vortex lobe into our near vicinity. There is still no real signal for deep easterly sourced cold, however, what is showing, given the time of year, would bring appreciable snow. Perhaps real deep cold to follow? Keep an eye on it anyway. By this time next week the picture will be much clearer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,502 ✭✭✭✭MJohnston


    Can yis maybe talk about the weather?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Can yis maybe talk about the weather?

    Ok :D
    (Derek is the BBC Wales forecaster)

    https://twitter.com/DerekTheWeather/status/1083694338759102464?s=19


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Sycamore Tree


    MJohnston wrote: »
    Can yis maybe talk about the weather?

    When it comes to snow, Kermit is the weather!

    I feel like the Beast won't roar until the little green frog is back on this forum.


  • Registered Users Posts: 821 ✭✭✭lapua20grain


    When it comes to snow, Kermit is the weather!

    I feel like the Beast won't roar until the little green frog is back on this forum.


    Aye you always get a shiver when you see a weather warning thread started by Kermit you know sh*t is going to get real.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,235 ✭✭✭Oneiric 3


    Some stats for the opening 10 days of the year (national)

    In terms of mean maxima, it has been the warmest first 10 days since only 2015, which came in 0.9c warmer than the current year (10.2c vs 9.3c) . However, in terms of mean minima, it'll be no surprise to learn that they have been the highest in over 20 years, with figures for the same period in 1996 coming in slightly higher (5.9c vs 5.8c)

    Rainfall wise, it has been the driest start to the year since 1985, which recorded an national average of only 2.3mm as opposed to the 5.9mm this time around. The long term average for the period is 38.2mm.

    Data from, yep, ya guessed it, Met Éireann.

    New Moon



  • Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    When it comes to snow, Kermit is the weather!

    I feel like the Beast won't roar until the little green frog is back on this forum.
    Aye you always get a shiver when you see a weather warning thread started by Kermit you know sh*t is going to get real.
    Oh for frog sake..

    Muppets, the lot of ye


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  • Registered Users Posts: 15,944 ✭✭✭✭Villain


    Met Eireann just posted an update to https://www.met.ie/meteorologists-commentary
    Information to follow was included by Meteorologist Liz Walsh on Thursday 10th January 2019

    What is Sudden Stratospheric Warming?

    The earth’s atmosphere is comprised of layers based on temperature. We live in the lowest part of the atmosphere – the troposphere – which contains most of our weather – clouds and precipitation – and on average it’s about 10 km deep, although the depth does vary from the equator to the poles – greater at the equator, lesser at the poles. The Jet Stream is at the top of the troposphere and most of our weather happens below that.

    Above the troposphere is the stratosphere and this layer of the atmosphere extends upwards to about 50km. It contains much of the ozone in the atmosphere which absorbs all the ultra violet rays from the sun causing it to warm up. Temperatures in the stratosphere are generally highest over the Summer Pole where the sun shines all day and night and, conversely, lowest over the Winter Pole. So in winter the stratosphere is usually very cold at the pole and this is what the Stratospheric Polar Vortex is: a pool of very cold air associated with low pressure 10 to 50 km above the Winter Pole.

    Around this pool of cold air we get some very strong westerly winds propagating around it – a stratospheric jet stream – high up above our own tropospheric jet stream – which helps to keep the Polar Vortex intact above the pole. Westerly winds are of course associated with the anti-clockwise movement of air in low pressure systems in the northern hemisphere.

    However, the Polar Vortex can sometimes be affected by natural weather systems or disturbances in the lower part of the atmosphere which can weaken the stratospheric jet stream. This then causes the air in the stratosphere to compress leading to a rapid temperature increase. In turn the Polar Vortex breaks down or becomes displaced from the pole and we get what is referred to as a Sudden Stratospheric Warming event or SSW. SSWs are subject to categorization: Major, Minor and Final.

    A major SSW event is when the observed stratospheric temperatures rise rapidly over the course of a few days and instead of a pool of cold air associated with low pressure over the pole (a polar vortex) we get an area of high pressure, associated with the rapid rise in temperature. As a result, the stratospheric westerly winds change direction to easterly which is associated with the clockwise movement of air in high pressure systems in the northern hemisphere.

    Why are SSWs significant for our weather?

    Normally, the air flow in the stratosphere during winter is westerly, moving around from west and east because we have low pressure at the pole. This enhances the Jet Stream lower down in the troposphere. Typically we tend to get reasonably strong Jet Streams propagating around the winter hemisphere anyway because of the surface temperature difference from equator to pole during winter. But when the Polar Vortex is present in the Stratosphere it helps to strengthen the Jet Stream, which is what drives low pressure systems and winter storms from the Atlantic towards our area.

    When the Polar Vortex breaks down or gets displaced from the pole, that helping hand is no longer there and so the Jet Stream lower down in the troposphere can and does weaken. The tropospheric jet also gets pushed further south leading to the development of high pressure systems at higher latitudes. The easterly winds in the stratosphere effectively sink down into the troposphere, altering the weather patterns in the northern hemisphere.

    It’s important to note that an SSW doesn’t necessarily mean we’re going to get continuous cold weather for the rest of the winter. What it does mean is that there is a greater chance of an easterly flow type set up which could bring episodes of colder weather depending on the synoptic set-up.

    Has a major SSW occurred this winter?

    In short yes. It peaked at the beginning of January 2019.

    What will be the effects and when will we start to see them?

    It takes a long time for the easterly winds to filter down into the part of the atmosphere where we live – generally a number weeks at least. The Sudden Stratospheric Warming (SSW) event which occurred at the start of January is expected to impact tropospheric conditions towards the end of January. If the resulting high pressure systems become established over Scandinavia or Greenland, such a synoptic pattern could lead to bitterly cold air from eastern Europe/Russia pushing in over Ireland, as happened in late February/March of last year (2018). It is important to note that this kind-of set-up can just be the result of normal weather variability, but the main point is that a major SSW can enhance the likelihood of occurrence.

    At the moment, our weather is expected to be either milder than or near average out to the next 7 to 10 days, with an Atlantic regime gradually returning as high pressure slips away to the southwest. With the exception of mountaintops, snow is therefore unlikely over the next 7 to 10 day period. As we approach the end of January, though, the guidance suggests an increased risk of colder than average weather with frost and ice likely to be more prevalent than of late. Whether we will get the synoptic set-up which could result in snowfall remains highly uncertain. But as always, we’ll keep you posted.

    You can view the Atlantic charts 7 day forecast for rainfall and airmass here


  • Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭Liffey4A


    From the charts I've seen we will need the cold to come a little further West for some more severe cold,otherwise it just looks like a relatively prolonged cold spell.
    In saying all this it's a great start the year for coldies and still all to play for as the charts tease us with hints of an easterly further into February..


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg


    UK Met

    Outlook for the UK over the next 6-30 days

    UK Outlook for Wednesday 16 Jan 2019 to Friday 25 Jan 2019:
    Cloudy skies and a spell of rain will slowly edge southeastwards on Wednesday, clearing most places by the end of the day. Behind this it will turn clearer and colder from the north by Thursday, with scattered blustery showers, becoming wintry across northern areas. Winds will be strong with a risk of gales in the north at times. Thereafter, it looks set to remain mainly cold, unsettled and sometimes windy, with any milder spells tending to be brief and associated with longer spells of rain. The rain could turn to snow almost anywhere, but particularly across northern and central areas. especially later in this period. Some drier, brighter, quieter spells are likely, perhaps with snow showers, especially in the east. During such spells, frost could become widespread and severe.

    UK Outlook for Saturday 26 Jan 2019 to Saturday 9 Feb 2019:
    During the last week of January and into early February, there is an increased likelihood of cold weather being established across all of the UK. This would bring a greater risk of snow, ice and widespread frost, particularly across northern parts of the country. However, there remains uncertainty over the extent of the cold weather and how long it will last, and it is still possible that some milder and wetter interludes will intersperse this generally cold period, especially in the south.

    Updated: 01:15 on Fri 11 Jan 2019 GMT


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    Mod Note: We do not discuss the banned status of another Boards member here on this forum. This is way off topic and I've had to delete posts as this debate about Winter weather is getting way off track because of it.

    Can we please just get back to discussing the Winter weather and the possibilities of a cold end of January and February.

    Thanks
    Gonzo


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭irishrover99


    The Daily Mail is so racist that they even have a picture of an Navy patrol vessel on the look out for some pesky Russian weather.(second picture)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6581397/Beast-East-set-sweep-Britain-fortnight-frozen-Europe-shivers.html


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,133 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Villain wrote: »
    Met Eireann just posted an update to https://www.met.ie/meteorologists-commentary

    That is a super read. Nearest I've come to understanding a SSW event anyway. Well done Met E.


  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭odyboody


    The Daily Mail is so racist that they even have a picture of an Navy patrol vessel on the look out for some pesky Russian weather.(second picture)

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6581397/Beast-East-set-sweep-Britain-fortnight-frozen-Europe-shivers.html

    This is the best bit of that glorious piece of reporting.
    "The warm air reverses the direction of the Gulf Stream and sucks cold air from Siberia to the UK"
    OK, OK should have known better than to read the article in the first place


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,591 ✭✭✭gabeeg




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,003 ✭✭✭Lucreto


    gabeeg wrote: »

    Rub it in why don't you.

    Great picture, hopefully we will be able to join in on the fun soon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    I may aswell say it
    This evening's GFS would deliver a repeat of the snowiest of weather from December 2010 into eastern counties from Louth down to wexford
    And then some


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,677 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    2010 wasn't really a snow event down here in Cork City, so hoping we get more of a 2018 event haha.


  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭derekon


    Virgin Media One News about 15 minutes ago...Met Eireann warning about a potential Beast from the East due to the SSW....end of January expected to be very cold. That's a JINX if I ever saw one. Expect mild south westerlies so. FFS, is nothing sacred anymore?

    D


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭esposito


    derekon wrote: »
    Virgin Media One News about 15 minutes ago...Met Eireann warning about a potential Beast from the East due to the SSW....end of January expected to be very cold. That's a JINX if I ever saw one. Expect mild south westerlies so. FFS, is nothing sacred anymore?

    D

    This angers me greatly. Virgin media turning into the daily express and other cheap tabloids? Pathetic! Way too early to be talking about this. Any sniff they get of snow and they go to town on it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 836 ✭✭✭derekon


    esposito wrote: »
    This angers me greatly. Virgin media turning into the daily express and other cheap tabloids? Pathetic! Way too early to be talking about this. Any sniff they get of snow and they go to town on it.

    And this leads to the general public expecting the snow and it might never materialise....

    D


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    looking increasingly bitter and possibly unsettled from 21 January - 24th January hinting at very cold north easterlies and windchill. Potential for plenty of snow showers across northern and eastern counties especially and severe night time frosts.

    Since this is still 10 days away, changes are very likely. Be prepared for downgrades or upgrades over the next few days.


  • Registered Users Posts: 471 ✭✭KingdomRushed


    The GFS parralel FI this evening is the most epic I’ve seen in 8 years of model watching


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,233 ✭✭✭sdanseo


    The GFS parralel FI this evening is the most epic I’ve seen in 8 years of model watching

    Afformentioned chart
    (yes that's a blizzard and yes it is snowing as far south as Madrid)

    gfs-0-360.png?12


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,431 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    derekon wrote: »
    Virgin Media One News about 15 minutes ago...Met Eireann warning about a potential Beast from the East due to the SSW....end of January expected to be very cold. That's a JINX if I ever saw one. Expect mild south westerlies so. FFS, is nothing sacred anymore?

    D

    Half expected that weather to be sponsored by Brennan’s Bread!


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,513 ✭✭✭✭sryanbruen


    The North Atlantic SSTs support the very blocked UKMO Glosea5 for Feb-Apr 2019 (although some important differences on the exact positioning of the pressure systems), according to data from the WorldClimateService.

    https://twitter.com/WorldClimateSvc/status/1083740977339289603


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 16,719 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gonzo


    really looking forward to hopefully a very cold February, however it is a bit concerning that March and possibly April could also be quite wintry at times, hinting at a very cold start to Spring, could we see a repeat of March 2013?

    it's beginning to look like we are really going to pay for the past 2 and a half months of very mild conditions. The next 4 to 5 days could be the last time to see temps around 10 or 11C for some time to come.


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