Evictions

DubCount · 23-12-2018 7:27pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

Jesus thought us about interest in the temple with the money changers

And for all these years I thought it was Mr. Slattery, my economics teacher in school !!

garhjw · 23-12-2018 7:55pm

I see Ireland’s finest attended a ‘rally’ in Roscommon today. Inciting violence towards banks. Lead by Sinn Fein. Classy as usual. Animals

ThunbergsAreGo · 23-12-2018 7:55pm

Zayd Quaint Marsupial wrote: »

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Looks like scum sympathetic to the "won't pay" crowd in Roscommon have moved onto damaging more property...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/gardai-seal-off-bank-office-block-after-criminal-damage-overnight-37647745.html

Hopefully gardai get those responsible and quickly!

No reports on who carried out the attack calling people scum is not helping the situation.

Alot of people are scared at the moment.

Those working for KBC?

Attacking places of work is cowardly and wrong.

10pennymixup · 23-12-2018 8:40pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

Jesus thought us about interest in the temple with the money changers

Hallelujah...............spread the good word and tell it like it is.........to the judge/ guard/ solicitor whoever and see how far it gets you in the eyes of the law.

utmbuilder · 23-12-2018 8:42pm

I believe islam reachs about usury too "ribba"

However somewhere along the lines people's humanity has been conditioned out of them to side with banks typically 250,000 interest on a average mortgage

Go you guys team go kbc!

garhjw · 23-12-2018 8:53pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

I believe islam reachs about usury too "ribba"

However somewhere along the lines people's humanity has been conditioned out of them to side with banks typically 250,000 interest on a average mortgage

Go you guys team go kbc!

That’s a constructive contribution to the discussion.

Simple question so you should be able to follow. Why should people not repay their debts?

utmbuilder · 23-12-2018 9:01pm

garhjw wrote: »

That’s a constructive contribution to the discussion.

Simple question so you should be able to follow. Why should people not repay their debts?

I pay mine, on a house here in the UK and Florida

I still feel sorry for the poor old farmer however

garhjw · 23-12-2018 9:12pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

I pay mine, on a house here in the UK and Florida

I still feel sorry for the poor old farmer however

Why feel sorry for him? He doesn’t repay his debts or try to. It’s because of people like him we pay higher interest rates.

He should have done the right thing a long time ago - sold the land and worked with the bank to have the debt written off or declared himself bankrupt. But instead we have this crap and people like you mouthing off on the internet.

7upfree · 23-12-2018 9:18pm

garhjw wrote: »

Why feel sorry for him? He doesn’t repay his debts or try to. It’s because of people like him we pay higher interest rates.

He should have done the right thing a long time ago - sold the land and worked with the bank to have the debt written off or declared himself bankrupt. But instead we have this crap and people like you mouthing off on the internet.

Like the banks themselves should have done?

Wheeliebin30 · 23-12-2018 9:23pm

7upfree wrote: »

Like the banks themselves should have done?

The banks are repaying their debts from the bailout.

garhjw · 23-12-2018 9:24pm

7upfree wrote: »

Like the banks themselves should have done?

Did KBC receive a “bail out”?

the_syco · 23-12-2018 9:38pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

However somewhere along the lines people's humanity has been conditioned out of them to side with banks typically 250,000 interest on a average mortgage

Expect that figure to rise when less people pay off what they owe.

23-12-2018 10:30pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

I believe islam reachs about usury too "ribba"

However somewhere along the lines people's humanity has been conditioned out of them to side with banks typically 250,000 interest on a average mortgage

Go you guys team go kbc!

Imagine, a business making profit!! What will they think of next :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Seth Brundle · 23-12-2018 11:00pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

However somewhere along the lines people's humanity has been conditioned out of them to side with banks typically 250,000 interest on a average mortgage

Go you guys team go kbc!

Where are you getting that number from?
Anyhow nobody forces people to take out a mortgage.

Nonetheless recent events will make it more difficult for farmers to get loans especially if they hope to use the family home as collateral. Let's see how happy they are then!

utmbuilder wrote: »

I still feel sorry for the poor old farmer however

The farmer has saved quite a bit on various repayments so they are a lot better than most!

Seth Brundle · 23-12-2018 11:01pm

7upfree wrote: »

Like the banks themselves should have done?

Is that your way of condoning the behaviour by those opposed to repaying loans to the bank?

utmbuilder · 23-12-2018 11:20pm

It's quite obvious I am going to have reference more religious texts on you people.

Seth Brundle · 23-12-2018 11:24pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

It's quite obvious I am going to have reference more religious texts on you people.

...because if anyone knows how to get money from the public, its the church?

astrofool · 23-12-2018 11:25pm

garhjw wrote: »

I see Ireland’s finest attended a ‘rally’ in Roscommon today. Inciting violence towards banks. Lead by Sinn Fein. Classy as usual. Animals

They're due another bank raid, their Northern Bank reserves are running low.

Mad_maxx · 23-12-2018 11:31pm

utmbuilder wrote: »

I pay mine, on a house here in the UK and Florida

I still feel sorry for the poor old farmer however

i feel sorry for the endless parade of people he appears to have stiffed down the years , i hate people like that , their shamelessness is puke inducing .

murphaph · 24-12-2018 10:09am

Mad_maxx wrote: »

i feel sorry for the endless parade of people he appears to have stiffed down the years , i hate people like that , their shamelessness is puke inducing .

Yep. Amazing that people can still refer to this character as a "poor old farmer" like it's 1840 and his absentee landlord has just doubled the rent.

He has obviously stiffed a lot of people including every citizen as he's a tax defaulter.

Raging_Ninja · 24-12-2018 7:16pm

garhjw wrote: »

Having watched the videos of the lawful eviction I don’t understand what all the fuss is about. Security used reasonable force in removing the people from the property.

They did a very professional job under difficult circumstances.

I don't believe they are registered with the PSA and are being investigated over that. They certainly didn't have PSA badges on display as required by law, so to an extent they were operating unlawfully.

While the repossession itself was lawful, a court order having been obtained and legal requirements being met, the optics of using a company which is not compliant with the laws of the state are awful.

Seth Brundle · 24-12-2018 7:32pm

Raging_Ninja wrote: »

I don't believe they are registered with the PSA and are being investigated over that. They certainly didn't have PSA badges on display as required by law, so to an extent they were operating unlawfully.

While the repossession itself was lawful, a court order having been obtained and legal requirements being met, the optics of using a company which is not compliant with the laws of the state are awful.

It is my understanding that as they were operating on behalf of the sheriff they are not subject to the normal security rules, a loophole or grey area if you will.
Maybe you can clarify what law(s) they broke?

eagle eye · 24-12-2018 7:39pm

If the company doing the eviction were from the Republic of Ireland it wouldn't have been half as bad. It still wouldn't have been pretty but I don't think you'd have had the 5 am attack.

Raging_Ninja · 24-12-2018 8:04pm

Seth Brundle wrote: »

It is my understanding that as they were operating on behalf of the sheriff they are not subject to the normal security rules, a loophole or grey area if you will.
Maybe you can clarify what law(s) they broke?

You know what, you might be into something there. I'm reading the 2004 act here and it would seem that they may not be regulated by the PSA unless one is willing to stretch some of the definitions beyond the letter of the act. An IT article states the following:

Mr Flanagan said any dispute about the enforcement of a court order is solely a matter for the courts. “Accordingly the persons involved in the execution of the High Court order are not licensable by the Private Security Authority at present.

“My officials are currently examining the law governing this area and I am giving the matter further consideration.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/oireachtas/law-on-how-private-security-firms-carry-out-high-court-orders-to-be-examined-1.3634986?mode=amp

the_syco · 27-12-2018 2:55am

eagle eye wrote: »

If the company doing the eviction were from the Republic of Ireland it wouldn't have been half as bad. It still wouldn't have been pretty but I don't think you'd have had the 5 am attack.

If the company came from RoI, the 5am attack still would have happened, and their addresses would appear on the sites who support the farmers tax evasion.

7upfree · 30-12-2018 1:50pm

the_syco wrote: »

If the company came from RoI, the 5am attack still would have happened, and their addresses would appear on the sites who support the farmers tax evasion.

Tax evasion lol. After ALL thats gone on ion this country? Seriously?

JohnCleary · 30-12-2018 3:03pm

7upfree wrote: »

Tax evasion lol. After ALL thats gone on ion this country? Seriously?

But he didn't pay tax owed, what's your point? He was convicted for under deceleration of VAT, or did you miss that point?

relax carry on · 30-12-2018 3:15pm

7upfree wrote: »

Tax evasion lol. After ALL thats gone on ion this country? Seriously?

Whataboutery. The publication records show a vat liability with interest and penalties. The penalty was 100% of the tax meaning there was no chance it was carelessness in anyway. It was a deliberate action with no cooperation. If he had cooperated then the penalty would have been 75%.
The individual in question stole from us all. He has a documented history of not paying his way. Why are people supporting this lad at all? If the anti eviction crowd want to find a poster boy for their cause they would be better off finding someone who had tried their best in every way to meet their debts not this freeloader.

7upfree · 02-01-2019 7:25pm

JohnCleary wrote: »

But he didn't pay tax owed, what's your point? He was convicted for under deceleration of VAT, or did you miss that point?

What's "under deceleration"?!

02-01-2019 7:59pm

7upfree wrote: »

What's "under deceleration"?!

*Under-declaration (of vat)

DubCount · 02-01-2019 8:00pm

7upfree wrote: »

What's "under deceleration"?!

Most taxes in Ireland are self assessed. The tax payer declares how much tax they owe. Where a tax payer declares less tax than they owe, that's an "under declaration". An under declaration may be accidental or intentional. Where Revenue uncover an under declaration, they charge the tax payer the tax they should have paid, interest to allow for the delay in paying the money, and potentially a penalty. The level of penalty depends on how careless/evasive the taxpayer has been and how they interacted with a Revenue investigation. 100% penalty is the highest possible penalty and means the under declaration was deliberate and the tax payer did not comply with Revenue investigations.

BBFAN · 02-01-2019 8:05pm

I've had a VAT audit before and they give you EVERY opportunity to admit if you've made false returns or even if you THINK you've made a mistake.

They don't go to the serious penalties unless you deliberately obstruct them in finding the information.

Even if you admit you've deliberately under declared because you were short of cash they'll give you break as long as you pay up.

splinter65 · 02-01-2019 9:16pm

This thread demonstrates that a hefty portion of Irish people don’t want to pay any taxes at all and think that all accommodation should be free of charge. It’s hard to understand how they think that could work but it seems to be something to do with Denis O’Brien and Apple.
I gave up trying to figure it out along time ago.

eagle eye · 02-01-2019 9:25pm

the_syco wrote:

If the company came from RoI, the 5am attack still would have happened, and their addresses would appear on the sites who support the farmers tax evasion.

Are you one of them? If not how do you know?
I'm of the opinion that the attack happened specifically because of who performed the eviction.

Seth Brundle · 03-01-2019 12:29am

eagle eye wrote: »

Are you one of them? If not how do you know?
I'm of the opinion that the attack happened specifically because of who performed the eviction.

Whatever gave you that opinion?

the_syco · 04-01-2019 10:22am

eagle eye wrote: »

I'm of the opinion that the attack happened specifically because of who performed the eviction.

I'm of the opinion that the attack happened specifically because everyone involved in the attack also faced evictions, thus attacking the first eviction was to send a message to any other possible evictions.

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