Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

sasta le · 04-12-2018 11:51AM

Is Tommy o donnell gone after this season?

The Lost Sheep · 04-12-2018 11:53AM

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sasta le wrote: »

Is Tommy o donnell gone this season?

signed an extension until June 2021 a few months ago

Buer · 04-12-2018 11:53AM

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Some good work there. Didn't expect the Botha signing. He has been a good siginng but I thought he was almost certainly a 1 year deal covering until others returned/came through.

Is there anyone notable whose contract is up but wasn't announced? Keatley, I presume? DOC2?

Squidgy Black · 04-12-2018 11:56AM

Deysel powered va JJ

phog wrote: »

I'm delighted to see those contract extensions and happy that JJ got that vote of confidence.

It's an interesting one, Keatley and Bleyendaal both signed two year contract extensions towards the end of 2017, so they're contracted up until next season.

Could see both be released, with Carbery, JJ and Johnston retained.

yerrahbah · 04-12-2018 11:57AM

Sherry, Parker, DO'C, Hart,Williams, Bleyendaal,Keatley, Taute, Fitzgerald and RO'M and the players left with contracts expiring this summer.

thomond2006 · 04-12-2018 12:02PM

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Kevin O'Byrne 2020
Rhys Marshall 2021
Niall Scannell 2021
Mike Sherry 2019

Diarmuid Barron Year 1
Eoghan Clarke Year 1

James Cronin 2021
Dave Kilcoyne 2020
Liam O'Connor 2020
Jeremy Loughman 2020

James French Year 1

Stephen Archer 2020
John Ryan 2022
Brian Scott 2020
Ciaran Parker 2019

Keynan Knox Year 2

Tadhg Beirne 2020
Billy Holland 2020
Jean Kleyn 2022
Darren O'Shea 2020
Fineen Wycherley 2021

Thomas Ahern Year 1
Sean O'Connor Year 3

Arno Botha 2020
Gavin Coombes 2021
Chris Cloete 2022
Dave O'Callaghan 2019
Tommy O'Donnell 2021
Jack O'Donoghue 2021
Peter O'Mahony 2021
Conor Oliver 2020
CJ Stander 2021

Jack Daly Year 1
Jack O'Sullivan Year 2

Neil Cronin 2021
Nick McCarthy 2021
James Hart 2019
Alby Mathewson March 2019
Conor Murray 2022
Duncan Williams 2019

Craig Casey Year 2
Jack Stafford Year 2

Tyler Bleyendaal 2019
Joey Carbery 2020
JJ Hanrahan 2021
Bill Johnston 2020
Ian Keatley 2019

Ben Healy Year 1
Alan Tynan Year 2

Sam Arnold 2020
Shane Daly 2021
Chris Farrell 2022
Dan Goggin 2020
Rory Scannell 2021
Jaco Taute 2019

Sean French Year 1
Alex McHenry Year 2
Matt More Year 2

Andrew Conway 2020
Keith Earls 2021
Stephen Fitzgerald 2019
Mike Haley 2021
Ronan O'Mahony 2019
Calvin Nash 2021
Darren Sweetnam 2021
Alex Wootton 2021

Liam Coombes Year 2
James McCarthy Year 2
Jonathan Wren Year 1

2019/20
IN: Nick McCarthy (SH, Leinster)

Eod100 · 04-12-2018 12:04PM

Presume Matthewson will move on in March. Hart likely to be gone at end of season. So Williams could stay on potentially.

thomond2006 · 04-12-2018 12:05PM

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Buer wrote: »

Some good work there. Didn't expect the Botha signing. He has been a good siginng but I thought he was almost certainly a 1 year deal covering until others returned/came through.

Is there anyone notable whose contract is up but wasn't announced? Keatley, I presume? DOC2?

Botha's retention is likely with the World Cup in mind. POM and Stander will be absent and Botha plays 6 and 8. DOC2 is likely gone.

phog · 04-12-2018 12:08PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Presume Matthewson will move on in March. Hart likely to be gone at end of season. So Williams could stay on potentially.

I think it was MO had it that Hart was back to France for next season

Mc Love · 04-12-2018 12:16PM

If we could I'd try to hold on to Alby instead of DW. Looks like it could be the death knell for Keatley and Blyendaal.

But then again the luck of Duncan could strike by the end of the season if munster suffers any injuries to the 9 jersey. Murray, McCarthy and Cronin should be enough

Buer · 04-12-2018 12:17PM

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thomond2006 wrote: »

Botha's retention is likely with the World Cup in mind. POM and Stander will be absent and Botha plays 6 and 8. DOC2 is likely gone.

Yeah, figured as much. Would have liked to see Oliver, JOD, TOD and Cloete cover though for that period with Jack O'Sullivan getting a run at some point. I was hugely impressed with him at U20 level.

Botha is a great option to have, however. Just not sure if it's the best use of a NIQ spot.

budhabob · 04-12-2018 12:19PM

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That's a good bit of business, and good to get it out of the way.

I keep forgetting how young some of our established players are - Scannell at only 24? Good bones of a team there for years to come.

Eod100 · 04-12-2018 12:35PM

Buer wrote: »

Yeah, figured as much. Would have liked to see Oliver, JOD, TOD and Cloete cover though for that period with Jack O'Sullivan getting a run at some point. I was hugely impressed with him at U20 level.

Botha is a great option to have, however. Just not sure if it's the best use of a NIQ spot.

Who are the other NIQ players? Kleyn, Cloete, Mathewson, Taute, Keynan Knox?

Wonder will Kleyn becoming Irish eligible in September or Mathewson and/or Taute leaving would free up other NIQ spots? Not sure there's a demand and residency rules might make it less likely for players to move too..

OAOB · 04-12-2018 12:46PM

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Great to see so many crucial players retained and I’d imagine they’re not going to retain too many more of the players who are out of contract. I think the scrum half decision is dependent on whether they feel Stafford is good enough

I thought Stephen Fitzgerald was making progress but at 23 it’s probable time to move on for him and try give Nash more minutes.

The only thing that slightly surprises me is that I thought the IRFU would try move Rhys Marshall to Leinster, a position of weakness for them and strength for Munster. Kevin O’Byrne has shown a lot of talent to only be third choice

Cookiemunster · 04-12-2018 12:54PM

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Eod100 wrote: »

Who are the other NIQ players? Kleyn, Cloete, Mathewson, Taute, Keynan Knox?

Wonder will Kleyn becoming Irish eligible in September or Mathewson and/or Taute leaving would free up other NIQ spots? Not sure there's a demand and residency rules might make it less likely for players to move too..

Kleyn is IQ in August. Mathewson and Taute are almost definitely gone. I don't think the two lads in the academy count.

Marshall is also still NIQ, but will qualify after the world cup.

leakyboots · 04-12-2018 01:02PM

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Great news there, JJ is probably the right call to keep - I think Keats has had his shot, served us well but JJ can still improve, only 26. Apart from off the boot, his performances recently have been on the upward trajectory. Wonder what will happen with Tyler?

Looking forward to seeing Wycherley kick on, he's got that bit of dog about him that you want. Darren O'Shea, for a massive lump of a fella, just doesn't seem to have it at times.

Good to get the fatties tied down too, Scannell is arguably the next Irish hooker unless there's a dropoff in form.

Nice bonus with Botha staying til 2020. He's been massive for us this season - topping the season so far stats for Carries (24 clear of Rory Scannell), Tackles Made, Metres Made and Defenders Beaten (pretty astonishing for an 8). He's been immense. Surprised there hasn't been more of a fuss made of him, if he were putting in those performances in a blue jersey this place would be going bananas. We'd be mad not to try and keep him.

I'd imagine Sherry, Taute, ROM, Keats, DOC, Hart all gone. Not sure what'll happen with Tyler, Duncan and Fitzgerald

CatFromHue · 04-12-2018 01:43PM

It's not a great choice as it's someone who can be good but can also be very bad and someone who's never really been good enough and more than likely won't be but he's a local boy.

Eod100 · 04-12-2018 01:46PM

Cookiemunster wrote: »

Kleyn is IQ in August. Mathewson and Taute are almost definitely gone. I don't think the two lads in the academy count.

Marshall is also still NIQ, but will qualify after the world cup.

D'oh forgot Marshall! Yeah l think Mathewson and Taute are likely gone. Is there another NIQ player in the academy? Thought it was just Knox.

aloooof · 04-12-2018 01:47PM

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Eod100 wrote: »

D'oh forgot Marshall! Yeah l think Mathewson and Taute are likely gone. Is there another NIQ player in the academy? Thought it was just Knox.

There was another SA brought in at the time of Knox if I remember correctly, but I don't think academy players count towards NIQ spots.

EDIT: Matt More.

Eod100 · 04-12-2018 02:09PM

aloooof wrote: »

There was another SA brought in at the time of Knox if I remember correctly, but I don't think academy players count towards NIQ spots.

EDIT: Matt More.

Ah yeah, think you're right.

Think the IRFU seems to be focusing more now on bringing in IQ players like Addison, Haley etc so not sure if we will be adding that much to NIQ spots.

Dubinusa · 04-12-2018 02:22PM

Wow, they're keeping JJ. I thought he was a goner.
Disappointed for ROM, he's had a bad run with injury. I think he's a good player. DOC also has a injury plagued career. It will be interesting to see what happens with these lads.
Surprised that O'Connor hasn't been offered a contract. He's a lad with potential and can play the blindside.
Maybe another province can snap him up?

Cookiemunster · 04-12-2018 02:30PM

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I see from todays injury update that Jeremy Loughman has been added to the Euro squad in place of James Cronin. Sounds pretty ominous for Cronin. The injury must be worse than first thought.

Cookiemunster · 04-12-2018 02:32PM

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Dubinusa wrote: »

Wow, they're keeping JJ. I thought he was a goner.
Disappointed for ROM, he's had a bad run with injury. I think he's a good player. DOC also has a injury plagued career. It will be interesting to see what happens with these lads.
Surprised that O'Connor hasn't been offered a contract. He's a lad with potential and can play the blindside.
Maybe another province can snap him up?

Just because they haven't signed contracts in early December doesn't mean that they're gone.

The Lost Sheep · 04-12-2018 02:35PM

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Dubinusa wrote: »

Wow, they're keeping JJ. I thought he was a goner.
Disappointed for ROM, he's had a bad run with injury. I think he's a good player. DOC also has a injury plagued career. It will be interesting to see what happens with these lads.
Surprised that O'Connor hasn't been offered a contract. He's a lad with potential and can play the blindside.
Maybe another province can snap him up?

Its only December and early December at that. There will be plenty more players signed up who's contracts are up at end of season before long. Just wait until new year and even later. There has been players whove had contracts finishing at end of a season not knowing if theyve been signed or not until May before....

thomond2006 · 04-12-2018 02:43PM

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Cookiemunster wrote: »

I see from todays injury update that Jeremy Loughman has been added to the Euro squad in place of James Cronin. Sounds pretty ominous for Cronin. The injury must be worse than first thought.

Cronin can be re-added as a designated front row player for the knockouts. If he wasn't a front row player it would be a more ominous sign.

https://munsterrugby.ie/2018/12/04/squad-update-pre-castres/

My team for Castres:

Kilcoyne, Scannell, J Ryan, Holland, Beirne, POM, Cloete, Stander;
Murray, Carbery, Earls, Scannell, Farrell, Wootton, Conway

KOB, Loughman, Parker, Wycherley, Botha, Williams, Bleyendaal, Arnold

Injured:
Marshall, LOC, Cronin, Archer, Kleyn, TOD, JOD, DOC
Hart, Mathewson, Goggin, Fitzgerald, Sweetnam, Haley (RTTP)

Dubinusa · 04-12-2018 02:50PM

Good for Loughman. He's stuck around and is making a go of it. A big step up though against Castres. Hopefully he goes well.
He was born in Reno. I wonder if he's good enough to be capped by the Eagles?

The Lost Sheep · 04-12-2018 02:57PM

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Dubinusa wrote: »

Good for Loughman. He's stuck around and is making a go of it. A big step up though against Castres. Hopefully he goes well.
He was born in Reno. I wonder if he's good enough to be capped by the Eagles?

He'll be losing any chance of contract in Ireland if he did. Dont see any chance of it happening unless he was not staying for next contract in Ireland

Kerrydude1981 · 04-12-2018 03:02PM

Quick question,

How long would you be waiting for tickets to arrive when ordered off Ticketmaster?
On there website it just gives you the worst case scenario, 7 to 10 days before the event

Usually get tickets for games through a friend but these ones are Xmas presents for my nephew

Eod100 · 04-12-2018 03:14PM

thomond2006 wrote: »

Cronin can be re-added as a designated front row player for the knockouts. If he wasn't a front row player it would be a more ominous sign.

https://munsterrugby.ie/2018/12/04/squad-update-pre-castres/

My team for Castres:

Kilcoyne, Scannell, J Ryan, Holland, Beirne, POM, Cloete, Stander;
Murray, Carbery, Earls, Scannell, Farrell, Wootton, Conway

KOB, Loughman, Parker, Wycherley, Botha, Williams, Bleyendaal, Arnold

Injured:
Marshall, LOC, Cronin, Archer, Kleyn, TOD, JOD, DOC
Hart, Mathewson, Goggin, Fitzgerald, Sweetnam, Haley (RTTP)

That team looks fairly spot on.

There seems to be a fair chunk of players injured so far this season. Hopefully will see some of them back in the new year

Cookiemunster · 04-12-2018 03:15PM

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thomond2006 wrote: »

Cronin can be re-added as a designated front row player for the knockouts. If he wasn't a front row player it would be a more ominous sign.

I'm aware of that, but if he's being removed for the rest of the group stages that means he's out for at least the next two months.

Munster Team Talk Thread VI - Stander Up and Fight

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