Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

Adamcp898 · 23-11-2018 10:14PM

Anthracite wrote: »

Is there a veto at this stage? I believe not.

No, as far as the brexit deal goes a standing majority is all that's needed on the EU side, 20 of 27 countries iirc.

Their veto only starts to hold weight if and when it would presumably be used against any trade deals etc. with the UK as they're negotiated after brexit has taken place.

Storm in a tea cup sort of stuff and not much heft to it imo given Spain's own current governmental status. All those British sun holiday-ers still have to go somewhere after all too.

Capt'n Midnight · 23-11-2018 10:24PM

Rhineshark wrote: »

Yes, yes they do. It's mad, but it appears to be that because most British don't or can't read foreign-language press that Europeans can't/don't read English. Despite all the heaped evidence to the contrary.

The Swiss strategy for handling the Brexit transition is actually called "Mind the Gap".

Those three words should tell you how culturally aware they are of the UK.
And the issues to be resolved.
And possibly a hint of "what did you think would happen if you build curved platforms ?"

Capt'n Midnight · 23-11-2018 10:41PM

kowtow wrote: »

If they have actually executed hedges at Parity they stand to incur a substantial loss if this deal goes through.

Regardless, these are extra costs that affect profitability.

Premier Foods own Bisto, Oxo and Mr Kipling.
Pre tax profit was £30m last year. Stockpiling will cost them £10m.

One way to avoid tying up cash is to get your suppliers to do it, but if there's too much of this and suppliers go wallop then it could have the opposite effect.
https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2018/11/23/business/23reuters-britain-eu-aerospace-analysis.html

Bitrez, a speciality chemicals manufacturer based in north west England, said some customers now ask suppliers to provide material to their premises, with the customer only invoiced as the stock gets used.

...
As the Brexit clock ticks down, the bigger companies are worried that their own contingency plans are only as robust as those of the thousands of smaller suppliers on which they rely. Airbus, which has 4,000 companies in its UK supply chain, said in July it was activating its Brexit contingency plans to build up "buffers" because it thought the British government's strategy was unravelling.

An Ciarraioch · 23-11-2018 11:21PM

Yes, it's Eurobarometer, but only two member states see support for remaining in the EU under 50% - rather than France or Greece, Italy is the biggest danger, but even there, virtually every undecided voter would have to switch to leave:

https://i.imgur.com/Tkoebhe.jpg

Similar stats on eurozone membership:

http://twitter.com/LBiniSmaghi/status/1064774679775363072

listermint · 23-11-2018 11:33PM

Brexit.

Vital for sharpening the minds.

No one wants to be like the UK

Capt'n Midnight · 24-11-2018 12:38AM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Yes, it's Eurobarometer, but only two member states see support for remaining in the EU under 50% - rather than France or Greece, Italy is the biggest danger, but even there, virtually every undecided voter would have to switch to leave:

Italy, like France averages one government a year.

They also have a very large black economy and a huge chunk of national debt is held in the country (which is why the rest of the EU bond market hasn't been hit)

Not so long ago the relatively new party Lega Lombarda were trying to get independence for Northern Italy as Padania and ditch the poorer south. The flag was going to be a thin red cross on a white background :rolleyes:

Now they are trying to change the system from within, an accolade that might be better for 5 Star a new populist part that have literally come from nowhere.

Meanwhile in the UK it's flip-flop between the hard lines of entrenched parties. The idea of someone from either of their two parties changing to the other is extremely unlikely.

An Ciarraioch · 24-11-2018 10:26AM

Tony Connelly unearths the DUP's last European election manifesto - it describes the Single Market as one of the EU's most transformative assets, describes the potential for growth through the free movement of labour, goods, capital and services, and details how the party would help local businesses exploit its potential, promoting NI's highly-skilled and highly-educated workforce to showcase an hospitable business environment within the Single Market!

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/1123/1012997-brexit-and-dup/

judeboy101 · 24-11-2018 10:45AM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Tony Connelly unearths the DUP's last European election manifesto - it describes the Single Market as one of the EU's most transformative assets, describes the potential for growth through the free movement of labour, goods, capital and services, and details how the party would help local businesses exploit its potential, promoting NI's highly-skilled and highly-educated workforce to showcase an hospitable business environment within the Single Market!

https://www.rte.ie/news/analysis-and-comment/2018/1123/1012997-brexit-and-dup/

I seem to remember a certain government party in this jurisdiction promising to abolish USC if elected. Manifestos are works of fiction. Ironically, so is the WA and the declaration on future trade.

Igotadose · 24-11-2018 11:04AM

Sort-of weakly Brexit Related, but Brexit visionary Nigel Farage, spouts off that Khashoggi is a 'deep state spook' and a 'so-called journalist.' Nice. But, 'He's an SOB but our SOB.'

Farage will make a great Fox news UK-accented talking head once he bails from UK politics completely.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/fox-news-host-dead-so-called-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-really-a-deep-state-saudi-spook/

Water John · 24-11-2018 11:05AM

Here Singham IEA, the glory economics boy of Leave, says staying is better.
He is also very exposed with having been economical with the truth in his CV.
Hint, he has no qualification in Economics.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/nov/24/pro-brexit-adviser-admits-uk-would-be-better-off-staying-in-eu

Professor Moriarty · 24-11-2018 11:54AM

Igotadose wrote: »

Sort-of weakly Brexit Related, but Brexit visionary Nigel Farage, spouts off that Khashoggi is a 'deep state spook' and a 'so-called journalist.' Nice. But, 'He's an SOB but our SOB.'

Farage will make a great Fox news UK-accented talking head once he bails from UK politics completely.

https://www.mediaite.com/online/fox-news-host-dead-so-called-journalist-jamal-khashoggi-really-a-deep-state-saudi-spook/

Ironic considering Nigel is a person of interest for the FBI and Mueller.

24-11-2018 12:06PM

This is starting to feel rather orchestrated. May defiant in support of the referendum, and everyone rowing back, which will lead to her saying that although she wants to do as the people ask, their representatives are overwhelmingly saying it's bad. And then a referendum that would save the Tories with most looking ok at the end of it.

The remainers fought, the Brexiters saw sense, and after a long struggle, May succumbed to the pressure whilst trying to the best thing.

First Up · 24-11-2018 12:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is starting to feel rather orchestrated. May defiant in support of the referendum, and everyone rowing back, which will lead to her saying that although she wants to do as the people ask, their representatives are overwhelmingly saying it's bad. And then a referendum that would save the Tories with most looking ok at the end of it.

The remainers fought, the Brexiters saw sense, and after a long struggle, May succumbed to the pressure whilst trying to the best thing.

Its about as orchestrated as seeing a cork bobbing on the sea as trying to swim the channel.

Rhineshark · 24-11-2018 12:28PM

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/elpais.com/elpais/2018/11/23/inenglish/1542988530_166087.amp.html

May have been brought up and explained before but this does seem to be about specifically vetoing the WA. Which I don't think will have much effect unless Spain can get other countries on board as it's QMV. It might be a warning shot across the bows regarding a future trade deal - which will require unanimous agreement though.

Must admit, I was expecting this under Rajoy but it seemed to go quiet after he was replaced. Guess they were either lurking in the long grass until time was getting tight (basically the UK aim with NI; get to the wire with only this unsolved to force a concession) or the backchannel quiet negotiations have gotten as much competence from the UK side as...everything else Brexit related.

blackcard · 24-11-2018 12:35PM

I always thought that it should have been UKexit but maybe Brexit will be the correct term. It shows how little Northern Ireland was thought of that the term Brexit was used.

ancapailldorcha · 24-11-2018 01:09PM

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trellheim · 24-11-2018 01:10PM

I am surprised the Danes have not opened fishing in the same way the Spaniards have done on Gib

An Ciarraioch · 24-11-2018 01:12PM

Rhineshark wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/elpais.com/elpais/2018/11/23/inenglish/1542988530_166087.amp.html

May have been brought up and explained before but this does seem to be about specifically vetoing the WA. Which I don't think will have much effect unless Spain can get other countries on board as it's QMV. It might be a warning shot across the bows regarding a future trade deal - which will require unanimous agreement though.

Must admit, I was expecting this under Rajoy but it seemed to go quiet after he was replaced. Guess they were either lurking in the long grass until time was getting tight (basically the UK aim with NI; get to the wire with only this unsolved to force a concession) or the backchannel quiet negotiations have gotten as much competence from the UK side as...everything else Brexit related.

As mentioned before, regional elections in Andalusia (which borders Gibraltar) are happening on Sunday week, with the PP, C's and a new party called Vox all striving to outdo each other on the right, so Sanchez felt the need to respond in kind.

An Ciarraioch · 24-11-2018 02:05PM

Amazing revisionism by Liam Halligan today - Kenny never mentioned the Border either before or after the referendum, and it never arose at EU level until Varadkar took office (despite being one of the three pillars of the Withdrawal Agreement). Alongside the customary quotes from Trimble and Ray Bassett, Spectator readers learn that the Taoiseach is being kept in power by "Irish nationalists", which will flatter FF!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/leo-varadkar-has-done-his-absolute-best-to-damage-brexit/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Inquitus · 24-11-2018 02:24PM

Interesting video from the BBC posted earlier in the thread, 3 experts give their opinions. All 3 think it will be voted down at the first attempt, none of them think a 2nd referendum is likely, one thinks May might resign or the 48 letters will go in, and they all seem to think it will come down to a May's deal or no deal 2nd Vote that may be carried.

RobMc59 · 24-11-2018 02:43PM

Inquitus wrote: »

Interesting video from the BBC posted earlier in the thread, 3 experts give their opinions. All 3 think it will be voted down at the first attempt, none of them think a 2nd referendum is likely, one thinks May might resign or the 48 letters will go in, and they all seem to think it will come down to a May's deal or no deal 2nd Vote that may be carried.

This forum has quickly educated me to the fact that the BBC unashamedly follow the line of the UK government and are not in the slightest bit impartial-this came as a shock as I'd always trusted the BBC-is there no mention of the option of remaining in the article?

Inquitus · 24-11-2018 02:55PM

RobMc59 wrote: »

This forum has quickly educated me to the fact that the BBC unashamedly follow the line of the UK government and are not in the slightest bit impartial-this came as a shock as I'd always trusted the BBC-is there no mention of the option of remaining in the article?

They don't think there are enough votes in the Commons to force a 2nd Referendum, they note @20 Lab MP's won't back that call, and the number of Tory remainers who might is <20, making the maths improbable.

Roanmore · 24-11-2018 03:02PM

judeboy101 wrote: »

I seem to remember a certain government party in this jurisdiction promising to abolish USC if elected. Manifestos are works of fiction. Ironically, so is the WA and the declaration on future trade.

If you remember that you may also remember that the government party you refer to does not have a majority and depend on a party who campaigned against abolishing the USC.

An Ciarraioch · 24-11-2018 03:16PM

UK statement on Gibraltar seeks to calm matters:

http://disq.us/url?url=http%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Ffaisalislam%2Fstatus%2F1066332060455981060%3Abld_rQbdFAHWuW24Vb2PIyT04MQ&cuid=2840114

devnull · 24-11-2018 03:18PM

Boris demanding a call for a Secretary of State for No Deal position to be created.

Also likely to speak at DUP events.

This is laughable now, honestly, just when you thought it could not get any more stupid.

Seth Brundle · 24-11-2018 03:24PM

devnull wrote: »

Boris demanding a call for a Secretary of State for No Deal position to be created.

Also likely to speak at DUP events.

This is laughable now, honestly, just when you thought it could not get any more stupid.

I think it's appropriate that Boris sp3aks at the DUP conference.
He, like the DUP, was pro-EU before quickly changing his mind for the Brexit vote and is now anti-EU.

McGiver · 24-11-2018 03:48PM

An Ciarraioch wrote:

Amazing revisionism by Liam Halligan today - Kenny never mentioned the Border either before or after the referendum, and it never arose at EU level until Varadkar took office (despite being one of the three pillars of the Withdrawal Agreement). Alongside the customary quotes from Trimble and Ray Bassett, Spectator readers learn that the Taoiseach is being kept in power by "Irish nationalists", which will flatter FF!

Deluded liar, making stuff up. Creating the myth that Kenny was good and Varadkar bad who under the command of the EU came up with the Irish border question to "thwart Brexit". This is such a bullcrap, also with a tinfoil hat element.
The border issue was, is and always will be the primary Irish concern. The fact that the notion of the Irish border came up only after Varadkar replaced Kenny is simply due to the sheer Brexiteer's ignorance, especially Davis, the first year after the referendum was full of total delusions, fantasies and focus on A50 hence the Irish border issue didn't occur to them.

Since then, Dublin has danced religiously to the EUâ€™s tune. Varadkar disbanded Kennyâ€™s working groups and cranked up the rhetoric, claiming that Brexit threatened the Good Friday Agreement.

Tin foil hat stuff.

Varadkar leads a minority government in need of support from Irish nationalists. He has an incentive to make the Brits sweat. But the fact is that the head of HMRC, and his Irish counterpart, have both said there is no need for any additional physical infrastructure on the Irish border. Just last week, two of the worldâ€™s leading customs experts told the Commons Northern Ireland Select Committee this, insisting we can rely on existing technology, trusted trader schemes and behind-the-border checks.

FF is the new SF, oh my. The rest is more cakes and more unicorns.

briany · 24-11-2018 03:59PM

O: That speech. Just short of promising to lead the lads up the Ardoyne next year.

Roanmore · 24-11-2018 04:18PM

McGiver wrote: »

Deluded liar, making stuff up. Creating the myth that Kenny was good and Varadkar bad who under the command of the EU came up with the Irish border question to "thwart Brexit". This is such a bullcrap, also with a tinfoil hat element.
The border issue was, is and always will be the primary Irish concern. The fact that the notion of the Irish border came up only after Varadkar replaced Kenny is simply due to the sheer Brexiteer's ignorance, especially Davis, the first year after the referendum was full of total delusions, fantasies and focus on A50 hence the Irish border issue didn't occur to them.

Tin foil hat stuff.

FF is the new SF, oh my. The rest is more cakes and more unicorns.

Eoghan Harris is peddling this stuff every week in the Sunday Independent.

24-11-2018 04:22PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Amazing revisionism by Liam Halligan today - Kenny never mentioned the Border either before or after the referendum, and it never arose at EU level until Varadkar took office (despite being one of the three pillars of the Withdrawal Agreement). Alongside the customary quotes from Trimble and Ray Bassett, Spectator readers learn that the Taoiseach is being kept in power by "Irish nationalists", which will flatter FF!

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/11/leo-varadkar-has-done-his-absolute-best-to-damage-brexit/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I love how he gives out about big business lobbying for remain. Him formerly being part of the world's biggest Russia asset management company is irrelevant though.

Brexit discussion thread V - No Pic/GIF dumps please

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