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TomOnBoard · 12-11-2018 11:20PM

everlast75 wrote: »

Everyone was expecting a report or indictments after the midterms. However, the midterms are not over yet....

Edit - just spotted this..

https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/1062099141944360960?s=19

Stone next surely?

Stone is likely to be left to be indicted last, assuming that Mueller follows the DOJ 'guideline' that a sitting POTUS won't (not can't) be indicted. So, Corsi will be next, and he will then become a target for Mueller to flip him in pursuit of Stone. Don Jr is next after that and then Stone.

prawnsambo · 13-11-2018 12:37AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Stone is likely to be left to be indicted last, assuming that Mueller follows the DOJ 'guideline' that a sitting POTUS won't (not can't) be indicted. So, Corsi will be next, and he will then become a target for Mueller to flip him in pursuit of Stone. Don Jr is next after that and then Stone.

Not sure about that DOJ guideliine. It turns out that indictments were made against Nixon, but never used as he resigned first. What could happen for Trump is that a single indictment be used to impeach him with others held back to be used once he's no longer POTUS. But that's a long way down the road. However there seems to be a lot of indictments in the works if the net is wide enough to pick up peripheral figures like Corsi.

2 Scoops · 13-11-2018 01:36AM

everlast75 wrote: »

I've given up replying to certain posters at this stage. It avoids wasting your time.

Anyway, apparently there are reports Matt Drudge has deleted his tweets and wikileaks has gone quiet.

Buckle up - this week is gonna be crazy!

There's a paradox in there somewhere..

Matt Drudge regularly deletes his tweets and Fox stopped using their twitter account in boycott of how twitter acted towards that bash Fascism DC account, you're telling posters they're not worth your time while engaging in conspiratorial hysteria. One of many examples below.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/matt-drudges-twitter-account-is-now-just-a-single-deep-tweet-on-the-manic-digital-age/371426/

Matt Drudge, of the Drudge Report, deleted all of his tweets except one this week, leaving visitors to his personal account (as opposed to the Drudge Siren™ Twitter account for the Report) with a single mystical message about today's "manic digital age."

https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/fox-news-twitter-tucker-carlson-1203026225/

"Fox News continued its Twitter boycott for a fourth day on Monday in an apparent attempt to protest how the social media platform handled tweets surrounding a recent rally against Fox News host Tucker Carlson. Both the network’s main Twitter account as well as the accounts of some of its hosts remained silent Monday. However, other hosts and show accounts continued to tweet."

The drudgereport twitter handle is operating as normal...

https://twitter.com/drudge_report

mcmoustache · 13-11-2018 02:20AM

2 Scoops wrote: »

There's a paradox in there somewhere..

Matt Drudge regularly deletes his tweets and Fox stopped using their twitter account in boycott of how twitter acted towards that bash Fascism DC account, you're telling posters they're not worth your time while engaging in conspiratorial hysteria. One of many examples below.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/matt-drudges-twitter-account-is-now-just-a-single-deep-tweet-on-the-manic-digital-age/371426/

Matt Drudge, of the Drudge Report, deleted all of his tweets except one this week, leaving visitors to his personal account (as opposed to the Drudge Siren™ Twitter account for the Report) with a single mystical message about today's "manic digital age."

https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/fox-news-twitter-tucker-carlson-1203026225/

"Fox News continued its Twitter boycott for a fourth day on Monday in an apparent attempt to protest how the social media platform handled tweets surrounding a recent rally against Fox News host Tucker Carlson. Both the network’s main Twitter account as well as the accounts of some of its hosts remained silent Monday. However, other hosts and show accounts continued to tweet."

The drudgereport twitter handle is operating as normal...

https://twitter.com/drudge_report

Just so we're clear here, you consider Fax and Drudge truthful?

For my sins, I'll admit that I do find Drudge to have some tether to reality and as partisan as he/they are, I don't remember them just making stuff up or pushing nonsensical conspiracy theories like uranium one or promoting retarded ideas like Clinton handing over cloud hosted data.

But, back to my question; is this going to be one of those situations where you use dodgy sources to defend Trump, only to be found wrong again or are these trustworthy sources?

2 Scoops · 13-11-2018 05:43AM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Just so we're clear here, you consider Fax and Drudge truthful?

But, back to my question; is this going to be one of those situations where you use dodgy sources to defend Trump, only to be found wrong again or are these trustworthy sources?

I have no idea what you're talking about. I wasn't debating the truthfulness of certain media outlets, I was stating there's logical reasons for the activity, or lack thereof, of the Fox news and Matt Drudge twitter feeds. There's a conspiracy doing the rounds online that the Fox feed, Matt Drudge and Wikileaks have gone quiet because of something something Russia.

FreudianSlippers · 13-11-2018 09:14AM

Democrats flipped the Arizona US Senate seat for the first time since 1988.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/12/667214148/democrat-kyrsten-sinema-wins-arizona-senate-seat?t=1542096806320

Igotadose · 13-11-2018 09:35AM

FreudianSlippers wrote: »

Democrats flipped the Arizona US Senate seat for the first time since 1988.

https://www.npr.org/2018/11/12/667214148/democrat-kyrsten-sinema-wins-arizona-senate-seat?t=1542096806320

Goldwater's seat. He's spinning in his grave.

If FL goes Nelson, the net gain by the tGOP is 2 seats (53-47).

Oh, an associate of Roger "Nixon Tattoo" Stone claims he'll be indicted: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/jerome-corsi-roger-stone-mueller/index.html

What next - "I was indicted by Robert Mueller and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" shirts?

I've lost track of the indictments from this investigation - 30? 40?

prawnsambo · 13-11-2018 09:42AM

2 Scoops wrote: »

I have no idea what you're talking about. I wasn't debating the truthfulness of certain media outlets, I was stating there's logical reasons for the activity, or lack thereof, of the Fox news and Matt Drudge twitter feeds. There's a conspiracy doing the rounds online that the Fox feed, Matt Drudge and Wikileaks have gone quiet because of something something Russia.

You can add Wikileaks to that list.

batgoat · 13-11-2018 09:45AM

Igotadose wrote: »

Goldwater's seat. He's spinning in his grave.

If FL goes Nelson, the net gain by the tGOP is 2 seats (53-47).

Oh, an associate of Roger "Nixon Tattoo" Stone claims he'll be indicted: https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/12/politics/jerome-corsi-roger-stone-mueller/index.html

What next - "I was indicted by Robert Mueller and all I got was this lousy T-shirt" shirts?

I've lost track of the indictments from this investigation - 30? 40?

I'm treating Corsi's claims with a degree of suspicion. He seems a bit unhinged from everything I know about him.

Leroy42 · 13-11-2018 10:15AM

What is really troublesome for the GOP and Trump for 2020 is that the economy and jobs are at historic low levels and yet the GOP lost more votes. So despite having full control, getting two new SCOTUS, continuing good economy, as a party they lost ground to the DNC.

What can Trump do now to reverse this trend? He cannot win with that level of support.

Trump has claimed it a victory, and in terms of the senate it was definitely a better result for the GOP that the DNC would have wished for, but the trends are going the wrong way. All the polls should be massively in Trumps favor at this stage.

everlast75 · 13-11-2018 10:22AM

2 Scoops wrote: »

There's a paradox in there somewhere..

Matt Drudge regularly deletes his tweets and Fox stopped using their twitter account in boycott of how twitter acted towards that bash Fascism DC account, you're telling posters they're not worth your time while engaging in conspiratorial hysteria. One of many examples below.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/matt-drudges-twitter-account-is-now-just-a-single-deep-tweet-on-the-manic-digital-age/371426/

Matt Drudge, of the Drudge Report, deleted all of his tweets except one this week, leaving visitors to his personal account (as opposed to the Drudge Siren™ Twitter account for the Report) with a single mystical message about today's "manic digital age."

https://variety.com/2018/digital/news/fox-news-twitter-tucker-carlson-1203026225/

"Fox News continued its Twitter boycott for a fourth day on Monday in an apparent attempt to protest how the social media platform handled tweets surrounding a recent rally against Fox News host Tucker Carlson. Both the network’s main Twitter account as well as the accounts of some of its hosts remained silent Monday. However, other hosts and show accounts continued to tweet."

The drudgereport twitter handle is operating as normal...

https://twitter.com/drudge_report

I'm not sure whether you know what a paradox means, but putting that aside...

My post said that there were "reports", not certainties. It seemed suspicious to me.

Your reply confirmed there were reports. So what I said was correct.

Exactly how that translates to "conspiratorial hysteria" is beyond. Me.

You then go on to provide information which confirms that there may not be anything to it.

That's appreciated, and as I accept that you probably know more than me about Drudge and Wikileaks, you are probably in the right.

That is the way normal discourse is supposed to go.

I stand by my statement that this week will be crazy. Feel free to pop back in on Sunday and contradict me then.

PS - your posts always seem extremely angry. What is there to be so angry about. Trump won, didn't he? People are tired of winning, aren't they? There was no "blue wave", was there? I mean, Hillary is locked up and Mexico paid for the wall, so all is good???

Penn · 13-11-2018 10:23AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

What is really troublesome for the GOP and Trump for 2020 is that the economy and jobs are at historic low levels and yet the GOP lost more votes. So despite having full control, getting two new SCOTUS, continuing good economy, as a party they lost ground to the DNC.

What can Trump do now to reverse this trend? He cannot win with that level of support.

Trump has claimed it a victory, and in terms of the senate it was definitely a better result for the GOP that the DNC would have wished for, but the trends are going the wrong way. All the polls should be massively in Trumps favor at this stage.

If someone shot Trump his dying words would be "This has been the greatest Presidential assassination in history, maybe even ever". Trump claiming the midterm results as a victory has no bearing on reality. They already had the majority in the Senate, and they've lost the House of Reps.

The numbers don't lie. The midterms were always weighted against the Dems due to how many of their seats and how many incumbent GOP seats were up for election, but the Dems still made huge progress and closed the gap in some very red areas. Now we'll have two years of Trump struggling to get stuff done due to not having the House, Trump focusing on re-election, and the Dems kicking off investigations into some of Trump's actions. The economy and jobs numbers can only help Trump so much, but there will be a lot of things over the next two years that can harm him.

Pelvis · 13-11-2018 10:28AM

I thought mid term was last week?

Chips Lovell · 13-11-2018 10:28AM

Troll banned

UPDATE: Trolls banned.

jooksavage · 13-11-2018 10:45AM

batgoat wrote: »

I'm treating Corsi's claims with a degree of suspicion. He seems a bit unhinged from everything I know about him.

He's the worst kind of Infowars lunatic. He put out a book that slandered John Kerry's military service, accusing him of cowardice, which contradicts the official Navy records (and is pretty rich coming from someone who himself never served) and he peddles the usual vile conspiracy theories (Obama's birth cert, 9/11 etc).

It's hard not to take pleasure watching the courage of the "lock her up brigade" melt as the reality of their own likely prison time begin to dawn. When Roger Stone eventually gets cuffed, I think I'll have a full-on joygasm.

Quin_Dub · 13-11-2018 10:57AM

Leroy42 wrote: »

What is really troublesome for the GOP and Trump for 2020 is that the economy and jobs are at historic low levels and yet the GOP lost more votes. So despite having full control, getting two new SCOTUS, continuing good economy, as a party they lost ground to the DNC.

What can Trump do now to reverse this trend? He cannot win with that level of support.

Trump has claimed it a victory, and in terms of the senate it was definitely a better result for the GOP that the DNC would have wished for, but the trends are going the wrong way. All the polls should be massively in Trumps favor at this stage.

Penn wrote: »

If someone shot Trump his dying words would be "This has been the greatest Presidential assassination in history, maybe even ever". Trump claiming the midterm results as a victory has no bearing on reality. They already had the majority in the Senate, and they've lost the House of Reps.

The numbers don't lie. The midterms were always weighted against the Dems due to how many of their seats and how many incumbent GOP seats were up for election, but the Dems still made huge progress and closed the gap in some very red areas. Now we'll have two years of Trump struggling to get stuff done due to not having the House, Trump focusing on re-election, and the Dems kicking off investigations into some of Trump's actions. The economy and jobs numbers can only help Trump so much, but there will be a lot of things over the next two years that can harm him.

Trump will ramp up the "them vs. us" rhetoric for his base.

Everything will now be blamed on the Dems. He has already started , blaming the recent Stock market volatility on fear of "Presidential Harassment"by the Democrats

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062005636488142848

If (when) the economy starts to tank he will blame the House Democrats for not letting him do what was needed to fix it.

He is going to play the victim card HARD from now on.. Nothing will be his fault ,not that he ever took responsibility up to now but having lost the house he can lend a (false) tinge of credibility to his complaints...

pixelburp · 13-11-2018 11:04AM

The latest rumour on the firing / resigning merry-go-round is that Trump is itching to sack Kirstjen Nielsen, Secretary of Homeland Security, over her performance with border control (per the Washington Post). If she is fired, her replacement would be the fourth occupant of the role in 2 years of the Trump Presidency. Trump is reportedly considering Kris Kobach as replacement.

Penn · 13-11-2018 11:21AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Trump will ramp up the "them vs. us" rhetoric for his base.

Everything will now be blamed on the Dems. He has already started , blaming the recent Stock market volatility on fear of "Presidential Harassment"by the Democrats

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062005636488142848

If (when) the economy starts to tank he will blame the House Democrats for not letting him do what was needed to fix it.

He is going to play the victim card HARD from now on.. Nothing will be his fault ,not that he ever took responsibility up to now but having lost the house he can lend a (false) tinge of credibility to his complaints...

Oh totally, he said as much in his press conference the day after the midterms. But aside from his base (which won't switch from him anyway), I can see it turning a lot of the floating voters against him.

jjpep · 13-11-2018 01:28PM

Is it even worth commenting on his latest twitter outburst?

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
Emmanuel Macron suggests building its own army to protect Europe against the U.S., China and Russia. But it was Germany in World Wars One & Two - How did that work out for France? They were starting to learn German in Paris before the U.S. came along. Pay for NATO or not!

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Big question is will relations between the US and Europe normalize once Trump is out of office? Creating an EU army is a huge step and signal to the rest of the world and I for one do not see it as a positive development but its hard to argue against when you see what kind of person can take power in a democracy.

Nody · 13-11-2018 01:34PM

jjpep wrote: »

Big question is will relations between the US and Europe normalize once Trump is out of office? Creating an EU army is a huge step and signal to the rest of the world and I for one do not see it as a positive development but its hard to argue against when you see what kind of person can take power in a democracy.

Seeing how pretty much anyone can make a better impression in Europe beyond Trump it's very likely; however what the new normal will be is yet to be decided. I think Trump has helped EU "mature" in the sense of not relying on US as much as historically which is good for both parties but means a loss of influence for the USA in the long term (and more focus on buying EU weapons most likely). That in turn may help USA to continue it's path towards isolation it's been on for a while now as EU and esp. China steps up their international presence in the power vacuum left by them.

Captain Obvious · 13-11-2018 01:34PM

jjpep wrote: »

Is it even worth commenting on his latest twitter outburst?

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
Emmanuel Macron suggests building its own army to protect Europe against the U.S., China and Russia. But it was Germany in World Wars One & Two - How did that work out for France? They were starting to learn German in Paris before the U.S. came along. Pay for NATO or not!

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11:50 AM - Nov 13, 2018
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12.7K people are talking about this

Big question is will relations between the US and Europe normalize once Trump is out of office? Creating an EU army is a huge step and signal to the rest of the world and I for one do not see it as a positive development but its hard to argue against when you see what kind of person can take power in a democracy.

I suppose the question is if Russia invaded Europe tomorrow would you be confident in an immediate response from the US? I'd be more confident of help from China myself.

Dytalus · 13-11-2018 01:40PM

jjpep wrote: »

Is it even worth commenting on his latest twitter outburst?

Donald J. Trump
✔
@realDonaldTrump
Emmanuel Macron suggests building its own army to protect Europe against the U.S., China and Russia. But it was Germany in World Wars One & Two - How did that work out for France? They were starting to learn German in Paris before the U.S. came along. Pay for NATO or not!

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Big question is will relations between the US and Europe normalize once Trump is out of office? Creating an EU army is a huge step and signal to the rest of the world and I for one do not see it as a positive development but its hard to argue against when you see what kind of person can take power in a democracy.

I'm getting more and more convinced that he thinks NATO is a mechanism where the EU pays the US for protection, rather than an alliance of nations. He cried about europe not doing its fair share in NATO, but the moment they suggest actually improving European defensive abilities we're doing it wrong.

"Pay for NATO". WTF does that even mean, I wasn't aware it was a subscription package.

Leroy42 · 13-11-2018 02:28PM

So he wants the countries in NATO to increase defence spending, just not on the military! And when Macron says that they want to consolidate that into a singular force he is totally against it and pulls out the whole German's are warmongers nonsense.

Another racist tweet that will be passed off by his supporters.

Still, MAGA

spacecoyote · 13-11-2018 02:38PM

And rather unsurprisingly, Trumps grandstanding a few months ago around his North Korea deal look to be a major exaggeration

It appears that, NK are still developing weapons & are maintaining secret missile sites:

https://www.apnews.com/a3a17c9ab55e480981a5be15f5a5ebce

I imagine he won't be talking about this development too much given it doesn't really fit with his narrative

Penn · 13-11-2018 03:04PM

Wow, Macron really got under his orange skin.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062331024426913792
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062333534214520832
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062333882610171907

prawnsambo · 13-11-2018 03:12PM

Penn wrote: »

Wow, Macron really got under his orange skin.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062331024426913792
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062333534214520832
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062333882610171907

I see that despite Angela Merkel telling him eleven times in a row that countries in the EU don't do trade deals and that you have to deal with the EU as a whole, he still hasn't managed to grasp that fact.

Captain Obvious · 13-11-2018 03:18PM

Blaming secret service for his laziness

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062336793998180352

Tell me how · 13-11-2018 03:19PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Blaming secret service for his laziness

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062336793998180352

That has to be something which will be challenged...

Instead of being the President of the country with the greatest military refusing to travel, it is part of the greatest military refusing to do so.

Rhineshark · 13-11-2018 03:20PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Blaming secret service for his laziness

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1062336793998180352

He knows they can't respond. The Secret Service don't comment on protective measures.

Coward.

robinph · 13-11-2018 03:23PM

Tell me how wrote: »

That has to be something which will be challenged...

Instead of being the President of the country with the greatest military refusing to travel, it is part of the greatest military refusing to do so.

They won't say a word as they have competent people working for them who know how to behave and do their job properly.

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