Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Uncharted · 29-10-2018 11:59PM

Im sure the one thing we all can agree on,despite our differing opinions on the case,is that Ken Kratz is a real grade A piece of shìt.

The guy is almost a caricature of slyness.
He's a sleazy slimeball personified.

Checkmate19 · 30-10-2018 01:49AM

Ken Krantz comes across as a vile individual. Delighted he was fired.

Checkmate19 · 30-10-2018 01:52AM

Amazing he was able to get away with the press conference at the start. Shows you how much of a advantage the prosecution has in the us. That press conference made it virtually impossible for either to get a fair trial.

enfant terrible · 30-10-2018 08:35AM

Uncharted wrote: »

Im sure the one thing we all can agree on,despite our differing opinions on the case,is that Ken Kratz is a real grade A piece of sh

The guy is almost a caricature of slyness.
He's a sleazy slimeball personified.

What can we call agree about Averys character?

Who between Avery and Kratz is a more deplorable character?

Uncharted · 30-10-2018 09:05AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

What can we call agree about Averys character?

Who between Avery and Kratz is a more deplorable character?

In my opinion,Stephen Avery is a nasty piece of work. I don't like his personality much,I certainly would not be a cheerleader for him.

That doesn't change the fact* that he was framed for Teresa Halbach's murder by the way.

To be honest,its hard to say which one is worse.

A privileged background and an expensive education is perhaps a more socially acceptable mask than being a barely literate grease monkey redneck.

I believe they are both unpleasant in their own ways.

*imo

Commanchie · 30-10-2018 09:16AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

What can we call agree about Averys character?

Who between Avery and Kratz is a more deplorable character?

Why are you assuming we all think SA is a nice guy and has no part to play in this crime.

I think we all know SA isnt a nice guy from his behaviours as a youth.
I also believe he knows something( I dont believe he committed murder) but knows who did.

Just cause he is not a nice guy doesnt warrant being set up for a murder. The evidence is so blatantly fixed up that its laughable. The evidence and process has been tampered with of that I have no doubt.

Field east · 30-10-2018 09:22AM

enfant terrible wrote: »

What can we call agree about Averys character?

Who between Avery and Kratz is a more deplorable character?

That question is of great interest. The ‘ HIDDEN AGENDA’ in any situation is something which always exercises me. In this case I am at a loss to see what is very deplorable about Avery. It is fairly clear what it very deplorable about Kratz to the ordinary citizen. Re Avery, is it his demeanour ;his looks;his various utterances;the fact that he has repeatedly said that he did not kill Theresa;that the family/ extended family come across as a bit rough rough/very rural/raw; the way they dress ; the fact that he has not cracked up yet OR WHAT?

No matter what situation your typical human being is dealing with there is always the real possibility of a hidden agenda being the real agenda and this case is no exception.

If you like someone it is quiet possible that you will treat them differently to the way that you might treat them if you did not like them.

Based on the above , the prosecution could now have two reasons- hidden agenda wise- to nail Avery , ie he is a deplorable character and he has shown us up re our wrongful conviction of him in a previous case and they are going to ‘get him back’ no matter what it takes. The OFFICIAL AGENDA, of course, is that , he was made the chief/ only suspect with the help of Brendan in the murder of Theresa and was eventually found guilty of it

Field east · 30-10-2018 09:40AM

Uncharted wrote: »

In my opinion,Stephen Avery is a nasty piece of work. I don't like his personality much,I certainly would not be a cheerleader for him.

That doesn't change the fact* that he was framed for Teresa Halbach's murder by the way.

To be honest,its hard to say which one is worse.

A privileged background and an expensive education is perhaps a more socially acceptable mask than being a barely literate grease monkey redneck.

I believe they are both unpleasant in their own ways.

*imo

A lot of young people can be a bit wild and straighten out when the get older/ get married/ get a job/ copyor follow their elders behavior. So is it fair to base ones perception on a persons behaviour when they were young/ teenagers?
I Wes scratching my head for the words to describe another reason why he might be seen as a very deplorable character and post 1777 provided the very phrase for me ie ‘———being a barely literate grease monkey redneck.’

Field east · 30-10-2018 09:46AM

Commanchie wrote: »

Why are you assuming we all think SA is a nice guy and has no part to play in this crime.

I think we all know SA isnt a nice guy from his behaviours as a youth.
I also believe he knows something( I dont believe he committed murder) but knows who did.

Just cause he is not a nice guy doesnt warrant being set up for a murder. The evidence is so blatantly fixed up that its laughable. The evidence and process has been tampered with of that I have no doubt.

It does not make sence that he knows who did it or even have very strong suspicions and did not share it with his defense team the first time around. That would have provided a major platform for his defense team in the first team to build on

Commanchie · 30-10-2018 10:09AM

Field east wrote: »

It does not make sence that he knows who did it or even have very strong suspicions and did not share it with his defense team the first time around. That would have provided a major platform for his defense team in the first team to build on

He shared his doubts about who he believed done it.

Brock Turnpike · 30-10-2018 10:48AM

Imagine the conversation when Walshb and Enfant Terrible arrive into their respective work places this morning. People asking how the bank holiday weekend went, and the two of them having to lie about the fact that they spent the whole bank holiday Monday trying to wind people up on the internet.

Commanchie · 30-10-2018 11:00AM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Imagine the conversation when Walshb and Enfant Terrible arrive into their respective work places this morning. People asking how the bank holiday weekend went, and the two of them having to lie about the fact that they spent the whole bank holiday Monday trying to wind people up on the internet.

And not succeeding onky managing to end up angry telling all those debating with him you all masturbate each other. Think thats a clear sign you lost the debate

walshb · 30-10-2018 11:59AM

Commanchie wrote: »

I also believe he knows something( I dont believe he committed murder) but knows who did.

This is absolute fantasy stuff now....no matter what side you are on as regards believing him innocent or guilty.

Commanchie · 30-10-2018 12:02PM

walshb wrote: »

This is absolute fantasy stuff now....no matter what side you are on as regards believing him innocent or guilty.

Tell me how?

RocketRaccoon · 30-10-2018 12:15PM

walshb wrote: »

This is absolute fantasy stuff now....no matter what side you are on as regards believing him innocent or guilty.

Have you started on season 2 yet or are you just back to waffle some more?

Mam of 4 · 30-10-2018 12:16PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Imagine the conversation when Walshb and Enfant Terrible arrive into their respective work places this morning. People asking how the bank holiday weekend went, and the two of them having to lie about the fact that they spent the whole bank holiday Monday trying to wind people up on the internet.

And Tuesday ...

walshb · 30-10-2018 12:36PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Imagine the conversation when Walshb and Enfant Terrible arrive into their respective work places this morning. People asking how the bank holiday weekend went, and the two of them having to lie about the fact that they spent the whole bank holiday Monday trying to wind people up on the internet.

And those we wound up?

Uncharted · 30-10-2018 12:52PM

walshb wrote: »

And those we wound up?

Have you watched any of series 2 yet? If so,has it changed your opinion at all?

walshb · 30-10-2018 12:56PM

Uncharted wrote: »

Have you watched any of series 2 yet? If so,has it changed your opinion at all?

Started it last night.....on episode 1....

Uncharted · 30-10-2018 01:00PM

walshb wrote: »

Started it last night.....on episode 1....

It's an excellent series and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. It certainly made my mind up for me. The level of detail is much higher this time around, and Avery's new lawyer is a seriously tough cookie.

I'm genuinely interested in how your opinion on the case is affected by this series.

enfant terrible · 30-10-2018 01:04PM

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Imagine the conversation when Walshb and Enfant Terrible arrive into their respective work places this morning. People asking how the bank holiday weekend went, and the two of them having to lie about the fact that they spent the whole bank holiday Monday trying to wind people up on the internet.

Yes we just had a guy post he thinks Avery is not a bad guy and doesn't get called out by Avery fans.

But I'm a wind up merchant 😀

In fairness we've all chased down a cat, poured petrol over it and thrown it onto a fire, then laughed as it died.

I'll post back later if I've time of all the other horrible stuff Avery has done in case some of you are as deluded as that guy.

Commanchie · 30-10-2018 01:08PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Yes we just had a guy post he thinks Avery is not a bad guy and doesn't get called out by Avery fans.

But I'm a wind up merchant ðŸ˜€

In fairness we've all chased down a cat, poured petrol over it and thrown it onto a fire, then laughed as it died.

I'll post back later if I've time of all the other horrible stuff Avery has done in case some of you are as deluded as that guy.

Who said avery is not a bad guy?

retro:electro · 30-10-2018 01:17PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

Yes we just had a guy post he thinks Avery is not a bad guy and doesn't get called out by Avery fans.

But I'm a wind up merchant ðŸ˜€

In fairness we've all chased down a cat, poured petrol over it and thrown it onto a fire, then laughed as it died.

I'll post back later if I've time of all the other horrible stuff Avery has done in case some of you are as deluded as that guy.

Nobody is defending Avery. It is possible you know to defend his position in the case and highlight the multitude of errors, cover ups and suspicions without defending Avery personally? It matters not who the defendant is. What matters is how the case was mismanaged from the top down.

pixelburp · 30-10-2018 01:37PM

mod: simple warning. Stop winding each other up. No name-calling. Play nice from here on in or cards will start coming out. If you haven't watched the show, then I'd question why contribute to the thread at all, except as a WUM. Leaving it there, but keeping an eye.

Zero-Cool · 30-10-2018 01:50PM

Just finished season 2, straight on here to get people's thoughts on it...

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Commanchie · 30-10-2018 01:57PM

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Just finished season 2, straight on here to get people's thoughts on it...

Whats your thought on it?

Guilty? Not Guilty?

Zero-Cool · 30-10-2018 02:07PM

Commanchie wrote: »

Whats your thought on it?

Guilty? Not Guilty?

Not guilty. I thought the same after the first season but then gradually started to feel that maybe the lads did it and left it at that. Kathleen found so much stuff that was really interesting. For me, it's not even a guilty/not guilty thing yet, it's more 'get those lads a fecking retrial!'.

I've never felt like trolling someone on Twitter but that Krantz is definitely tempting me. What a c*** of a man.

Tipsy McSwagger · 30-10-2018 02:15PM

pixelburp wrote: »

mod: simple warning. Stop winding each other up. No name-calling. Play nice from here on in or cards will start coming out. If you haven't watched the show, then I'd question why contribute to the thread at all, except as a WUM. Leaving it there, but keeping an eye.

Are you talking about both seasons or can you not contribute to the thread if you’ve only seen season 1?

Commanchie · 30-10-2018 02:28PM

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Not guilty. I thought the same after the first season but then gradually started to feel that maybe the lads did it and left it at that. Kathleen found so much stuff that was really interesting. For me, it's not even a guilty/not guilty thing yet, it's more 'get those lads a fecking retrial!'.

I've never felt like trolling someone on Twitter but that Krantz is definitely tempting me. What a c*** of a man.

Season 2 episode 6 is where KK really comes in to his own. I would never endorse a beating being dishee out but with him id over look ethics and morals and condone a community beating.

He is a sleekit snakey ****.

Commanchie · 30-10-2018 02:30PM

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Are you talking about both seasons or can you not contribute to the thread if you’ve only seen season 1?

You cannot contribute accurately to the thread if you have only watched 1 season of the programme that this thread is about and named after.

Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

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