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Making A Murderer [Netflix - Documentary Series]

Also Starring LeVar Burton

New 10-Part Documentary on Netflix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxgbdYaR_KQ

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retro:electro

walshb wrote: »

Get back to me on whether or not you believe them guilty, or even Avery guilty, and I’ll answer!

Huh? I believe Steven should have been acquitted as there was more than enough reasonable doubt.
Brendan had nothing to do with it.
(A quick read over any of my posts would have told you that)

Now you.

walshb

retro:electro wrote: »

What if Brendan was your brother? Would you be happy with how he was treated?

Get back to me on whether or not you believe them guilty, or even Avery guilty, and I’ll answer!

retro:electro

walshb wrote: »

Does the end justify the means? Well, if it was my loved one butchered like that, damn right the ends justify the means..

What if Brendan was your brother? Would you be happy with how he was treated?

Uriel.

walshb wrote: »

I agree with all this...

Just saying if it was that close to me personally...and I knew such and such did that. I’d either kill them or jump for joy that the system got them via any means. I wouldn’t give a flying fook about procedure...and nor would anyone else if they were in that position. We’re only human.

For the greater good of society your post I agree with..

As would I. I'd plant the evidence myself if I thought I'd get away with it.

walshb

Uriel. wrote: »

Which is precisely why the victims of crimes aren't judge jury and executioner.

There is absolutely no harm in questioning a system even if it gets the right result. One should never be so blind to the potential of catastrophic error and/or manipulation

I agree with all this...

Just saying if it was that close to me personally...and I knew such and such did that. I’d either kill them or jump for joy that the system got them via any means. I wouldn’t give a flying fook about procedure...and nor would anyone else if they were in that position. We’re only human.

For the greater good of society your post I agree with..

drkpower

walshb wrote: »

Look, if Avery came out and admitted to the killing you would still have people arguing about how he was convicted..

Does the end justify the means? Well, if it was my loved one butchered like that, damn right the ends justify the means..

Anyway, as it stands the authorities are satisfied that justice was served fairly, and this documentary in all its bias has not changed that view.

Interrogating the system rigorously isn’t just about protecting the accused.

It’s also about protecting victims; a system which turns an effective blind eye to investigative / prosecution shortcomings and abuses - never mind possible misconduct - results in poor investigations and a failure to investigate and follow up leads that could identify potential perpetrators. That may or may not be relevant in the Avery case.

Even if they have the right man - and they may do - those types of practices endangers victims and future victims.

Tipsy McSwagger

Commanchie wrote: »

You cannot contribute accurately to the thread if you have only watched 1 season of the programme that this thread is about and named after.

My question was to the MOD

Uriel.

walshb wrote: »

Look, if Avery came out and admitted to the killing you would still have people arguing about how he was convicted..

Does the end justify the means? Well, if it was my loved one butchered like that, damn right the ends justify the means..

Anyway, as it stands the authorities are satisfied that justice was served fairly, and this documentary in all its bias has not changed that view.

Which is precisely why the victims of crimes aren't judge jury and executioner.

There is absolutely no harm in questioning a system even if it gets the right result. One should never be so blind to the potential of catastrophic error and/or manipulation

Uncharted

walshb wrote: »

Look, if Avery came out and admitted to the killing you would still have people arguing about how he was convicted..

Does the end justify the means? Well, if it was my loved one butchered like that, damn right the ends justify the means..

Anyway, as it stands the authorities are satisfied that justice was served fairly, and this documentary in all its bias has not changed that view.

You've watched the full remaining 9 episodes already?

Wow,that's dedication.

Do you think the second series was much more in depth? What do you think of Kathleen Zellner's more full on approach to the case?

walshb

Look, if Avery came out and admitted to the killing you would still have people arguing about how he was convicted..

Does the end justify the means? Well, if it was my loved one butchered like that, damn right the ends justify the means..

Anyway, as it stands the authorities are satisfied that justice was served fairly, and this documentary in all its bias has not changed that view.

Uriel.

My view is that nether should be locked up on the basis of the issues that have been raised. From what I've seen in MaM and what I've read outside of it, there's way too much suss stuff that needs to be examined.

I don't think either or both are innocent but based on the evidence that has been uncovered and the evidence that didn't make it into the original trial I would have serious concerns about the safety of the convictions.

The thing that I think needs to be really considered is - suppose they are guilty of the crime - is the execution of justice in this case appropriate as to the end game - in other words does the end justify the means (such as planted evidence to secure a conviction, where the person is l, in actual fact, guilty).

I don't believe in such a justice system but many do and its not a black or white answer in my view. There may well be a time where a loved one is at the end of nasty incident and I might well like the perpetrator locked up on planted evidence or unfair procedure because they are known to be guilty. The thing to remember in such cases is that they are so personal. A young woman was murdered, by someone.

I particularly question the safety of Dassey's conviction. I can't fathom how that could be allowed to stand in any well functioning criminal justice system.

I think comparing Dassey and Avery to the Guildford 4 is a red herring. I equally find it strange that anyone could be so absolutely certain of their guilt.

I left season 2 though with a real sadness for Averys parents. They've had to go through so much in their lives whatever then real truth. I don't believe Steven or Brendan will be out of prison before they both pass away.

Mountainsandh

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Are you talking about both seasons or can you not contribute to the thread if you’ve only seen season 1?

JUST FREAKIN' WATCH IT ALREADY !!!

Commanchie

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

Are you talking about both seasons or can you not contribute to the thread if you’ve only seen season 1?

You cannot contribute accurately to the thread if you have only watched 1 season of the programme that this thread is about and named after.

Commanchie

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Not guilty. I thought the same after the first season but then gradually started to feel that maybe the lads did it and left it at that. Kathleen found so much stuff that was really interesting. For me, it's not even a guilty/not guilty thing yet, it's more 'get those lads a fecking retrial!'.

I've never felt like trolling someone on Twitter but that Krantz is definitely tempting me. What a c*** of a man.

Season 2 episode 6 is where KK really comes in to his own. I would never endorse a beating being dishee out but with him id over look ethics and morals and condone a community beating.

He is a sleekit snakey ****.

Tipsy McSwagger

pixelburp wrote: »

mod: simple warning. Stop winding each other up. No name-calling. Play nice from here on in or cards will start coming out. If you haven't watched the show, then I'd question why contribute to the thread at all, except as a WUM. Leaving it there, but keeping an eye.

Are you talking about both seasons or can you not contribute to the thread if you’ve only seen season 1?

Zero-Cool

Commanchie wrote: »

Whats your thought on it?

Guilty? Not Guilty?

Not guilty. I thought the same after the first season but then gradually started to feel that maybe the lads did it and left it at that. Kathleen found so much stuff that was really interesting. For me, it's not even a guilty/not guilty thing yet, it's more 'get those lads a fecking retrial!'.

I've never felt like trolling someone on Twitter but that Krantz is definitely tempting me. What a c*** of a man.

Commanchie

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Just finished season 2, straight on here to get people's thoughts on it...

Whats your thought on it?

Guilty? Not Guilty?

Zero-Cool

Just finished season 2, straight on here to get people's thoughts on it...

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pixelburp

mod: simple warning. Stop winding each other up. No name-calling. Play nice from here on in or cards will start coming out. If you haven't watched the show, then I'd question why contribute to the thread at all, except as a WUM. Leaving it there, but keeping an eye.

retro:electro

enfant terrible wrote: »

Yes we just had a guy post he thinks Avery is not a bad guy and doesn't get called out by Avery fans.

But I'm a wind up merchant ðŸ˜€

In fairness we've all chased down a cat, poured petrol over it and thrown it onto a fire, then laughed as it died.

I'll post back later if I've time of all the other horrible stuff Avery has done in case some of you are as deluded as that guy.

Nobody is defending Avery. It is possible you know to defend his position in the case and highlight the multitude of errors, cover ups and suspicions without defending Avery personally? It matters not who the defendant is. What matters is how the case was mismanaged from the top down.

Commanchie

enfant terrible wrote: »

Yes we just had a guy post he thinks Avery is not a bad guy and doesn't get called out by Avery fans.

But I'm a wind up merchant ðŸ˜€

In fairness we've all chased down a cat, poured petrol over it and thrown it onto a fire, then laughed as it died.

I'll post back later if I've time of all the other horrible stuff Avery has done in case some of you are as deluded as that guy.

Who said avery is not a bad guy?

enfant terrible

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Imagine the conversation when Walshb and Enfant Terrible arrive into their respective work places this morning. People asking how the bank holiday weekend went, and the two of them having to lie about the fact that they spent the whole bank holiday Monday trying to wind people up on the internet.

Yes we just had a guy post he thinks Avery is not a bad guy and doesn't get called out by Avery fans.

But I'm a wind up merchant 😀

In fairness we've all chased down a cat, poured petrol over it and thrown it onto a fire, then laughed as it died.

I'll post back later if I've time of all the other horrible stuff Avery has done in case some of you are as deluded as that guy.

Uncharted

walshb wrote: »

Started it last night.....on episode 1....

It's an excellent series and I hope you enjoy it as much as I did. It certainly made my mind up for me. The level of detail is much higher this time around, and Avery's new lawyer is a seriously tough cookie.

I'm genuinely interested in how your opinion on the case is affected by this series.

walshb

Uncharted wrote: »

Have you watched any of series 2 yet? If so,has it changed your opinion at all?

Started it last night.....on episode 1....

Uncharted

walshb wrote: »

And those we wound up?

Have you watched any of series 2 yet? If so,has it changed your opinion at all?

walshb

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Imagine the conversation when Walshb and Enfant Terrible arrive into their respective work places this morning. People asking how the bank holiday weekend went, and the two of them having to lie about the fact that they spent the whole bank holiday Monday trying to wind people up on the internet.

And those we wound up?

Mam of 4

Brock Turnpike wrote: »

Imagine the conversation when Walshb and Enfant Terrible arrive into their respective work places this morning. People asking how the bank holiday weekend went, and the two of them having to lie about the fact that they spent the whole bank holiday Monday trying to wind people up on the internet.

And Tuesday ...

RocketRaccoon

walshb wrote: »

This is absolute fantasy stuff now....no matter what side you are on as regards believing him innocent or guilty.

Have you started on season 2 yet or are you just back to waffle some more?

Commanchie

walshb wrote: »

This is absolute fantasy stuff now....no matter what side you are on as regards believing him innocent or guilty.

Tell me how?

walshb

Commanchie wrote: »

I also believe he knows something( I dont believe he committed murder) but knows who did.

This is absolute fantasy stuff now....no matter what side you are on as regards believing him innocent or guilty.