After Hours Presidential Election Poll

AndrewJRenko · 27-10-2018 11:45am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Hope Casey sets up a political party now

So many ppl want an alternative to gobsh1te varadkar or gobsh1te Mickey Martin

Come on peter do it

Indeed, if only we have ever had alternatives, like the many parties of the left, or the PDs or Renua on the right.

I was disappointed to see Casey reaching the threshold to get his expenses funded by you and me. Unfortunately, this may encourage him to pi$$ away another pile of cash doing exactly what you suggest. It will be interesting to see him trying to come up with actual policies. I guess that might mean finding out things like the actual level of welfare that he's so concerned about.

Beechwoodspark · 27-10-2018 11:48am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Indeed, if only we have ever had alternatives, like the many parties of the left, or the PDs or Renua on the right.

I was disappointed to see Casey reaching the threshold to get his expenses funded by you and me. Unfortunately, this may encourage him to pi$$ away another pile of cash doing exactly what you suggest. It will be interesting to see him trying to come up with actual policies. I guess that might mean finding out things like the actual level of welfare that he's so concerned about.

Casey got 20% of the vote.

What message does that send to the government from the electorate? I think many are fed up with being milked and bled by taxes only to see handout after handout given to people who don't need or deserve them.

Sofiztikated · 27-10-2018 11:53am

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

I was disappointed to see Casey reaching the threshold to get his expenses funded by you and me. Unfortunately, this may encourage him to pi$$ away another pile of cash doing exactly what you suggest. It will be interesting to see him trying to come up with actual policies. I guess that might mean finding out things like the actual level of welfare that he's so concerned about.

Is there anywhere to find out what expenses were submitted by candidates, and how much this will cost us as tax payers?

27-10-2018 12:00pm

MintyMagnum wrote: »

Joan Freeman set up Pieta House, created it because of the severe lack of mental health support in this country - yet huge rate of suicide. I believe she took on personal debt ie remortgaged her house to do that.
I would consider that more charitable than the fat cats who make 'generous donations' & are thought of as great fellas but avoid being tax resident & can write off said donations against tax. Or the foreign investment funds who avail of 'charity' status to circumvent tax laws here.
She put her money where her mouth was when it mattered. When it wasn't cool. When it involved personal risk. I'm sure she didn't get paid by the hour for all the time she put into it. And if she was that well off from Pieta House she could have solely financed her own campaign surely. Fair play is what I say.
And no I didn't give her my first preference vote.

Oh but she has "backward" views on some abortion or marriage referendum apparently. Ergo, the worst human being ever. Like, ever. Without question, Freeman has done much more for this society than the others, or indeed the liberal media. Never mind the rightwing misogynists and their hilarious "poor men" sense of victimhood that abounds in After Hours.

suicide_circus · 27-10-2018 12:00pm

looking forward to Michael D opening the Phoenix park to our nomadic brethren

AndrewJRenko · 27-10-2018 12:04pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Casey got 20% of the vote.

What message does that send to the government from the electorate? I think many are fed up with being milked and bled by taxes only to see handout after handout given to people who don't need or deserve them.

There are a few options for interpreting the vote.

It could indeed to some extent be down to the position you described above. It could also be down to many people not actually understanding the limitations on the role of the President. Or it could be down to many people falling for the 'fake news' propagated by Casey.

But to assume that it would turn into a 20% on a national basis in a general election for a new party with no structure, no policies and no candidates as of today would be a very dodgy assumption.

pumpkin4life · 27-10-2018 12:04pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

looking forward to Michael D opening the Phoenix park to our nomadic brethren

And distributing his wealth and his salary to the poor in our society as any good communist would do, especially being a millionaire with four pensions, at 77 years old.

Donald Trump · 27-10-2018 12:06pm

I'm sure Casey has enough acreage around his house in Donegal to host a few caravans

Especially when he's off out of the country for his 180-odd days to avoid paying tax here

:pac:

AndrewJRenko · 27-10-2018 12:06pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

And distributing his wealth and his salary to the poor in our society as any good communist would do, especially being a millionaire with four pensions, at 77 years old.

You missed the bit about him not drawing down his pensions.

pumpkin4life · 27-10-2018 12:08pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You missed the bit about him not drawing down his pensions.

250 grand a year is certainly tough for old Miggeldy Castro.

AndrewJRenko · 27-10-2018 12:08pm

Sofiztikated wrote: »

Is there anywhere to find out what expenses were submitted by candidates, and how much this will cost us as tax payers?

SIPO will publish a report on this eventually. Only Casey and MDH will get any campaign expenses paid by the taxpayer.

AndrewJRenko · 27-10-2018 12:08pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

250 grand a year is certainly tough for old Miggeldy Castro.

Keep shifting those oul goalposts there.

Sofiztikated · 27-10-2018 12:10pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Casey got 20% of the vote.

What message does that send to the government from the electorate? I think many are fed up with being milked and bled by taxes only to see handout after handout given to people who don't need or deserve them.

20% of a low turnout. A fifth of a small number is an even smaller number.

Look, I'm not keen on the waste in expenditure from virtually every Irish government I'd had the pleasure to experience in my 35 years alive, and I'm not a huge fan of some of the travelers I have had experiences with, but an Irish President is supposed to represent the people of Ireland as a whole. A person who points at a small group of people, and says "Them, they're the root of all your problems right there!" isn't someone I'd like to see represent modern Ireland, and it looks like 80% of the (again low) turn out agreed.

AndrewJRenko · 27-10-2018 12:10pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Without question, Freeman has done much more for this society than the others

Questionable when you put her up against MDH's 50 years of public representation, but either way, even if you're right, that doesn't make her a good President.

pumpkin4life · 27-10-2018 12:13pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Keep shifting those oul goalposts there.

No it's actually really simple.

You're a communist/socialist, then act like a communist/socialist.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite and an intellectual charlatan.

If Higgins actually came out and said: "I fùcking love money!", I'd have far more respect for him.

If you cared about the poor in society then with 4 pensions and a 250 grand salary, you can live perfectly fine and distribute your wealth to others, being a socialist no?

Sofiztikated · 27-10-2018 12:15pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

SIPO will publish a report on this eventually. Only Casey and MDH will get any campaign expenses paid by the taxpayer.

Whats the threshold?

Sofiztikated · 27-10-2018 12:17pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

No it's actually really simple.

You're a communist/socialist, then act like a communist/socialist.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite and an intellectual charlatan.

If Higgins actually came out and said: "I fùcking love money!", I'd have far more respect for him.

If you cared about the poor in society then with 4 pensions and a 250 grand salary, you can live perfectly fine and distribute your wealth to others, being a socialist no?

And what exactly does he spend his salary on?

AndrewJRenko · 27-10-2018 12:21pm

pumpkin4life wrote: »

No it's actually really simple.

You're a communist/socialist, then act like a communist/socialist.

Otherwise you're a hypocrite and an intellectual charlatan.

If Higgins actually came out and said: "I fùcking love money!", I'd have far more respect for him.

If you cared about the poor in society then with 4 pensions and a 250 grand salary, you can live perfectly fine and distribute your wealth to others, being a socialist no?

MDH has no role in setting the level of his salary or his pensions. He had declined to draw down his pensions (though you keep bringing this up) and he declined to draw down some of his salary.

Funnily enough, about 60% of the electorate seem to disagree with you. But what is this apparent requirement for socialists to be poor? Where did that come from? And what do you know about what Michael D does or doesn't do with his wealth?

AndrewJRenko · 27-10-2018 12:27pm

Casey on RTE now talking about how he represents the 'tired people' - the students who are struggling to pay back their 'school loans'. Maybe someone should tell him that schools in Ireland don't do loans for students?

Sofiztikated · 27-10-2018 12:33pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Casey on RTE now talking about how he represents the 'tired people' - the students who are struggling to pay back their 'school loans'. Maybe someone should tell him that schools in Ireland don't do loans for students?

Virtually every student I know have loans, either themselves or by proxy, through their parents.

Lackey · 27-10-2018 12:35pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Casey on RTE now talking about how he represents the 'tired people' - the students who are struggling to pay back their 'school loans'. Maybe someone should tell him that schools in Ireland don't do loans for students?

Pedantic post is Pedantic.

I know many people, and their kids, working all hours to pay back CU loans they took out for college.

27-10-2018 12:35pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

You missed the bit about him not drawing down his pensions.

What’s the story with the pensions he doesn’t take? Our they now cancelled or (if he changed his mind next month), could he start collecting them? If he can start collecting them, does he only get the monthly value from then or can he collect the backdated. Can his wife collect these pensions upon his death?

So many questions

Atoms for Peace · 27-10-2018 12:39pm

I voted for Casey, in equal measure for fun and as a protest, and I haven't had a melt down yet!
But I'm a bit put a back about the amount of spiteful bad winners that have now emerged.

Sonics2k · 27-10-2018 12:46pm

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Tipsy McSwagger · 27-10-2018 12:50pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

I fcuking love how he came from dead last with 1% to runner up with 21%.

suicide_circus · 27-10-2018 12:50pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

many voted for him precisely because the role has no power

Atoms for Peace · 27-10-2018 12:51pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Damm wasted my vote. I thought by voting for Casey he would lead us to a glorious Irish Reich that would last for a thousand years and that welfare recipients would get the gas chamber.:)

never_mind · 27-10-2018 12:54pm

PC vote isn’t a sign of changing times or rising popularism in ireland - wake up. It is a sign that people done like people from the travelling community. There is no appetite for a right wing party in ireland - it’s been tried and tested and never lasts. We are far too sound.

27-10-2018 12:54pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Questionable when you put her up against MDH's 50 years of public representation, but either way, even if you're right, that doesn't make her a good President.

MDH has certainly made the right noises. However, his €250,000 salary while preaching from his high horse about the poor makes him a classic smoked salmon socialist and betrays a very different value system to the one he preaches for the rest of us. Which instructively is precisely the same value system of his Labour colleagues - Howlin, Quinn, Burton - during the worst cutbacks when as government ministers they brazenly gave handsome increases to their friends/"advisors" while implementing savage cutbacks against everybody else.

MDH is very, very far from being a real socialist president like, say, José Mujica of Uruguay.

humberklog · 27-10-2018 1:04pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

I fúcking love how many people voted for Casey under some bizarre belief that President of Ireland has any real political power.

Complete ignorance and buying into his nonsense hype to appeal to the lowest common denominator.

Japers, switch a few names about and this post would read like a post from a loopy right right winger on 4chan or Liveleaks.

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