After Hours Exit Poll

blinding · 27-10-2018 9:30am

Blazer wrote: »

Matt Cooper is a wanker of the highest order

He is supposed to be impartial . We are not supposed to know his political views .

Sack that Plonker .

namloc1980 · 27-10-2018 9:32am

blinding wrote: »

He is supposed to be impartial . We are not supposed to know his political views .

Sack that Plonker .

What makes you think he's supposed to be impartial?

blinding · 27-10-2018 9:33am

Kivaro wrote: »

I would love to see the 21% Casey vote launch a boycott on companies that advertise during the Matt Cooper show.
Matt's policy is either to have a liberal view on all things politics/social or have no voice at all.

Cooper and his fellow travellers have lost the run off themselves . They are pushing an agenda and not being impartial in the way they present their programme .

Get Fair and Impartial People into these jobs .

blinding · 27-10-2018 9:35am

namloc1980 wrote: »

What makes you think he's supposed to be impartial?

When you are presenting Political shows people think that you are going to give a Fair and Impartial chance to all . Most People do not realise these glorified disc jockeys are pushing their own favoured political agendas .

kunst nugget · 27-10-2018 9:38am

For all the complaining, lifted straight from the US, about liberals and snowflakes on here, AH has really taken a real swing to the right as you can see from the polls and rhetoric around this election. Thankfully, it doesn't really translate to real life.

namloc1980 · 27-10-2018 9:39am

blinding wrote: »

When you are presenting Political shows people think that you are going to give a Fair and Impartial chance to all . Most People do not realise these glorified disc jockeys are pushing their own favoured political agendas .

It's an opinion show on a commercial radio station. Anyone who thinks the host of such a show is unbiased and impartial is living in a fantasy world. It's also very easy to just switch off the radio too.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 27-10-2018 9:43am

Rte saying that Casey ahead in letterkenny (I think.) in early tallies (4%).

Most of the rest of the tallies in line with the exit poll.

https://twitter.com/rte/status/1056113906681307137?s=21

Mooooo · 27-10-2018 9:46am

AnneFrank wrote: »

I didn't like any of the candidates to be honest, this is the first time in years I didn't bother voting

Would always vote, if you didn't like any of them spoiling the ballot would have been better than not voting imo

Phoebas · 27-10-2018 9:47am

kunst nugget wrote: »

For all the complaining, lifted straight from the US, about liberals and snowflakes on here, AH has really taken a real swing to the right as you can see from the polls and rhetoric around this election. Thankfully, it doesn't really translate to real life.

The poll shows that is does translate substantially to real life.
It's doubtful that Casey would have done half as well if MDH wasn't a shoe-in anyway, but still, 20 percent based off little more than a bit of populist retheric can't be ignored.

Hurrache · 27-10-2018 9:55am

Casey apparently topped the poll in a polling station in Rathkeale.

Mooooo · 27-10-2018 9:59am

AnneFrank wrote: »

I didn't like any of the candidates to be honest, this is the first time in years I didn't bother voting

Would always vote, if you didn't like any of them spoiling the ballot would have been better than not voting imo

Harry Palmr · 27-10-2018 10:06am

Hurrache wrote: »

Casey apparently topped the poll in a polling station in Rathkeale.

I used to do a regular drop there dunno if it's changed but back then it was one small town with two worlds in it. The traveller homes round the edges were as gaudily hideous as you'd expect and the inner villagers homes were smaller.

Beechwoodspark · 27-10-2018 10:19am

We are desperate for real leaders. Not clowns like that cnut varadkar. Casey could be the man

kunst nugget · 27-10-2018 10:29am

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

We are desperate for real leaders. Not clowns like that cnut varadkar. Casey could be the man

A guy that wants Ireland to leave the EU is the type of leader we need? Give over would you...

Charmeleon · 27-10-2018 10:29am

kunst nugget wrote: »

For all the complaining, lifted straight from the US, about liberals and snowflakes on here, AH has really taken a real swing to the right as you can see from the polls and rhetoric around this election. Thankfully, it doesn't really translate to real life.

I don’t think it has anything to do with a ‘swing to the right’.

What the left/liberals fail to learn from this is that Casey has demonstrated you actually can commit blasphemy against the devout left and avoid mainstream ex-communication.

Travellers/welfare is just the hot button, it could have been any issue where leftist dogma has been held sacred.

The point is that it is becoming vanishingly rare that someone stands their ground and refuses to genuflect or confess their sins. The vote shows that there is weariness around one religious dogma being replaced by another.

27-10-2018 10:46am

Kivaro wrote: »

The Irish welfare state as it currently stands is not sustainable.

Ireland as it currently stands is not sustainable. How many large US private businesses would have to leave to wipe out a large percentage of Ireland's GDP? 4? 5? And why? Because we've never bothered working on the long-term task of nurturing sufficient indigenous industries. What about the enormous and rapidly growing gap between the richest and poorest in this state, with the group in the middle paying marginal tax rates of up to 60%?

But in After Hours there's not a mention of all the parasites at the top of this society with their dodgy tax consultants and dodgy corporate lawyers facilitated by dodgy legislators passing their dodgy legislation in Dáil Éireann. These people would look down on all the people here who avoid attacking them and instead attack the welfare class in a bizarre rendition of snobbery from poor people against poorer people. Yeats's "Beggars on horseback" - "A beggar upon horseback lashes a beggar on foot." - are everywhere in Irish society in 2018.

B0jangles · 27-10-2018 10:50am

So it's Telling It Like It is for Casey to make negative generalizations about all travellers based on the behaviour of some travellers, but saying that Casey voters were largely motivated by kneejerk bigotry is a unfair, ignorant generalization that only pushes good people even further right?

If that is true of Casey voters, surely making the same kind of negative generalization about travellers only pushes them even further away from the rest of society?

Like, I understand that the behaviour of some travellers is a huge problem for some communities, but what exactly is achieved by Casey tarring all travellers with the same brush? Might feel good for about 5 minutes, but it pretty much wrecks all the efforts made to integrate travellers into ordinary society.

ThunbergsAreGo · 27-10-2018 11:01am

I really hate this dressing up as everything as left and right , it's not applicable to Ireland

Ireland is for the most part a centerist country where people make up their mind on issue at hand (with not inconsiderable media influence)

Ronin247 · 27-10-2018 11:02am

This whole thing started over " traveller culture ".
The traveller families cannot accept houses without stables and land for horses because of their "culture "
Traveller culture has them as nomadic self sufficient religious people. They have no problem forgoing the culture to take permanent housing, handfuls of welfare and a large proportion of them robbing and stealing and ignoring the rules that don't suit them.

Travellers culture is a PC bullsh1t term for the absolute scumbaggery of travellers in general.

JupiterKid · 27-10-2018 11:04am

More fool the hoodwinked idiots for giving tax exile sleveen Casey their number 1 vote.

The irony is very strong here...

weldoninhio · 27-10-2018 12:08pm

h3000 wrote: »

Over six figures? Jaysus fair play to you on a mill plus a year.

A million has 6 zeros after it, one million and anything over it has seven figures plus. And they say the uneducated vote for Casey.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 27-10-2018 12:10pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ireland as it currently stands is not sustainable. How many large US private businesses would have to leave to wipe out a large percentage of Ireland's GDP? 4? 5? And why? Because we've never bothered working on the long-term task of nurturing sufficient indigenous industries. What about the enormous and rapidly growing gap between the richest and poorest in this state, with the group in the middle paying marginal tax rates of up to 60%?

We’d never have produced a capitalist class that would match intel or Facebook.

But in After Hours there's not a mention of all the parasites at the top of this society with their dodgy tax consultants and dodgy corporate lawyers facilitated by dodgy legislators passing their dodgy legislation in Dáil Éireann. These people would look down on all the people here who avoid attacking them and instead attack the welfare class in a bizarre rendition of snobbery from poor people against poorer people. Yeats's "Beggars on horseback" - "A beggar upon horseback lashes a beggar on foot." - are everywhere in Irish society in 2018.

That’s a false dilemma. People often do criticise both, but the former is acceptable.

omega man · 27-10-2018 12:12pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

More fool the hoodwinked idiots for giving tax exile sleveen Casey their number 1 vote.

The irony is very strong here...

His Irish businesses pay tax here and I’m sure he employs a number of people. Isn’t he also in the process of transferring permanently from the US?

Donald Trump · 27-10-2018 12:17pm

omega man wrote: »

His Irish businesses pay tax here and I’m sure he employs a number of people. Isn’t he also in the process of transferring permanently from the US?

I'm in the process of finding a cure for cancer meself :pac:

What fucking process is there other than hopping on a plane? He did that already.

The complicated bit is travelling back to the US to make sure he keeps his status there. So he has had to have been actively keeping his status there. If he didn't act, he'd have been "permanent" here already.

Someone should report him to USCIS :pac:

Ursus Horribilis · 27-10-2018 12:21pm

I doubt many people who voted for Casey give two hoots about his tax.

Cyrus T Buford · 27-10-2018 12:22pm

I made a slight mistake, i doubt it will make a difference though!

I was under the impression that votes were non-transferrable. I was going to put a number 2 and 3...but only ended up putting one as i was told on the way to the polling station that they were not transferrable. It was only today on the news i realised i was wrong to think that.

I put Liadh Ni Riada as number 1.

boggerman1 · 27-10-2018 12:23pm

"tin tin"O'Toole on radio 1 now giving his sermon on me and the rest of the bigots who voted from Casey.Irish times as relevant as the dodo.he wants us to be ignored.

weldoninhio · 27-10-2018 12:23pm

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

Well he lost the popular vote comfortably...so if it was translated to our presidential election he would have 99.99999999999% lost.

So did JFK

omega man · 27-10-2018 12:26pm

boggerman1 wrote: »

"tin tin"O'Toole on radio 1 now giving his sermon on me and the rest of the bigots who voted from Casey.Irish times as relevant as the dodo.he wants us to be ignored.

Well he and many others are talking about him today aren’t they so keep the debate going I say.

Donald Trump · 27-10-2018 12:27pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I doubt many people who voted for Casey give two hoots about his tax.

Bit ironic though to vote for a fella who used demagoguery about travellers not paying tax when he himself avoids it?

If he had gotten the role he was standing for, he wouldn't even have been able to effect any change on his "issues".

The people are easily fooled.

Next election we might have a traveller standing on the platform of Peter Casey not paying tax :pac:

weldoninhio · 27-10-2018 12:28pm

MJohnston wrote: »

Nah, thankfully 79% of the country are still sound.

79% of the country voted against anchor baby’s. We’re still getting shafted by them once they do a petition going.

weldoninhio · 27-10-2018 12:30pm

listermint wrote: »

Reason he jumped to 21 is because he said he hates travelers.

And there is a minority out there that are *****

Yes . Minority. And theyre *****.

If it was up to that 21% we probably all be broke living back under the Catholic church and eating spuds praying to a statue of Dev

Could we have a quote to back up the first sentence??

Ursus Horribilis · 27-10-2018 12:31pm

So Donald, would you be happy if a traveller's halting site was built beside your house?

weldoninhio · 27-10-2018 12:38pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

so

are the casey crowd represented in this poll liars, trolls or paid?

Paid!!

Harry Palmr · 27-10-2018 12:42pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

So did JFK

Point being what? The USA electoral collage system is utterly different to the Irish PR system.

Ursus Horribilis · 27-10-2018 12:45pm

omega man wrote: »

Well he and many others are talking about him today aren’t they so keep the debate going I say.

Except the "debate" will all turn into an "Isn't it shocking that there are so many racists in Ireland" and horror at Peter Casey's comments. We'll hear scarcely a word about why people felt they had to vote for him. I still think that by and large, Irish people are tolerant folk. The Marriage Equality and the 8th Amendment referendums passed comfortably. The difference is that many Irish people have first-hand negative experiences with the travelling community. Even if they don't, they don't have to look too far to see evidence of their lawless ways. Yet they're being indulged at a time when ordinary working people are being given a raw deal. It's the same regarding social welfare "lifers" who seem to be doing just fine. If you're getting up at ungodly o'clock to go to work, see how much tax comes out of your net pay and are paying hand over fist for everything, it's hard not to resent the unfairness of it all.

What I'd like to know is why travellers are being allowed to thrive and live lawless lives without any consequences. If I lived in Foxrock and decided to start burning my rubbish on the front lawn, how long do you think I'd be allowed to get away with that? Or if I kept malnourished horses around the house, didn't ensure my kids got a proper education and indulged in some petty crime. But of course all this is bigotry, isn't it?

Donald Trump · 27-10-2018 12:52pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

So Donald, would you be happy if a traveller's halting site was built beside your house?

What has that got to do with the role of the President of Ireland?

Role of the President is to be a figurehead for the state. To receive foreign dignatories and to go abroad in a diplomatic capacity and present a good image of Ireland. (Plus some technical legal signing duties)

As I said in an earlier post a few days back, voting for him for President based on his opinion on Travellers makes as much sense as voting for him based on his opinion of whether Jose Mourinho should be sacked or not

If he wants to do something about those particular local issues, let him run for a role in which he can actually effect change.

Do you think that if Casey was President that that would mean that there would be no more halting sites built?

Evd-Burner · 27-10-2018 12:59pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

What has that got to do with the role of the President of Ireland?

Role of the President is to be a figurehead for the state. To receive foreign dignatories and to go abroad in a diplomatic capacity and present a good image of Ireland. (Plus some technical legal signing duties)

As I said in an earlier post a few days back, voting for him for President based on his opinion on Travellers makes as much sense as voting for him based on his opinion of whether Jose Mourinho should be sacked or not

If he wants to do something about those particular local issues, let him run for a role in which he can actually effect change.

Do you think that if Casey was President that that would mean that there would be no more halting sites built?

I and others I know voted for him not because we thought he would get in or even be able to make a difference if he got in (not that we wanted him to get in), but because of the reaction of the media and others condemning him for having the audacity of having an opinion, an opinion in which it seems a lot of people resonate with.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 27-10-2018 1:01pm

weldoninhio wrote: »

Paid!!

When did you make that bet?

Donald Trump · 27-10-2018 1:06pm

Evd-Burner wrote: »

I and others I know voted for him not because we thought he would get in or even be able to make a difference if he got in (not that we wanted him to get in), but because of the reaction of the media and others condemning him for having the audacity of having an opinion, an opinion in which it seems a lot of people resonate with.

Well would you vote for anyone who made a "controversial" opinion or would you also have to agree with it?

Maybe Gavin Duffy should have stood up and said "Martin O'Neill is a useless cunt and should be sacked as manager of the Irish soccerball team". Might have gotten a few eejits to give him their presidential votes and helped him to get his expenses back :pac:

Choochtown · 27-10-2018 1:09pm

Evd-Burner wrote: »

I and others I know voted for him not because we thought he would get in or even be able to make a difference if he got in (not that we wanted him to get in), but because of the reaction of the media and others condemning him for having the audacity of having an opinion, an opinion in which it seems a lot of people resonate with.

And exactly what is his opinion?

Peter Casey on the travelling community 16th October 2018:

"it’s wrong to single out one particular ethnic group differently"

Peter Casey on the travelling community 27th October 2018:

If I won I was going to suggest that we invite all of the Travelling community to move into the Phoenix Park for a five-year period

Casey is nothing more than an attention seeker

thecomedian · 27-10-2018 1:10pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

What has that got to do with the role of the President of Ireland?

Role of the President is to be a figurehead for the state. To receive foreign dignatories and to go abroad in a diplomatic capacity and present a good image of Ireland. (Plus some technical legal signing duties)

As I said in an earlier post a few days back, voting for him for President based on his opinion on Travellers makes as much sense as voting for him based on his opinion of whether Jose Mourinho should be sacked or not

If he wants to do something about those particular local issues, let him run for a role in which he can actually effect change.

Do you think that if Casey was President that that would mean that there would be no more halting sites built?

Just answer the question ðŸ˜‰

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 27-10-2018 1:15pm

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Except the "debate" will all turn into an "Isn't it shocking that there are so many racists in Ireland" and horror at Peter Casey's comments.

From what I can see, that's the general tenor of the Irish media today. Trying to turn it into progressives vs. racists scenario, with lots of hand-wringing but absolutely no insight into the fact that hese votes did not come from racists. The came from working people who are increasingly priced out of the housing market, increasingly unable to afford children of their own, and yet are taxed punitively to keep welfare lifers with seven children in free cash and free houses.

It's a vote that came about due to the profound unfairness of Irish society.

Fanny Wank · 27-10-2018 1:22pm

Izaiah Small Teepee wrote: »

It's a vote that came about due to the profound unfairness of Irish society.

I'd echo this. The Times & Indo are saying the "Casey Surge" was due to his Traveller comments. While The Daily Mail nails the actual reason (IMO of course)

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/idm-9.jpg

The "people who pay for everything" are fed up. I don't know anyone who voted for Casey because of Traveller comments. They were all protesting about welfare entitlement culture and the lack of any politicians willing to challenge it. Send out a message that there's potentially a large number of votes out there for someone who'll dare to challenge the status quo

Jackman25 · 27-10-2018 1:25pm

Donald Trump wrote: »

Bit ironic though to vote for a fella who used demagoguery about travellers not paying tax when he himself avoids it?

If he had gotten the role he was standing for, he wouldn't even have been able to effect any change on his "issues".

The people are easily fooled.

Next election we might have a traveller standing on the platform of Peter Casey not paying tax :pac:

How is he avoiding paying tax?
What exactly have people been easily fooled about?

27-10-2018 1:26pm

Fanny **** wrote: »

I'd echo this. The Times & Indo are saying the "Casey Surge" was due to his Traveller comments. While The Daily Mail nails the actual reason (IMO of course)

http://cf.broadsheet.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/idm-9.jpg

The "people who pay for everything" are fed up. I don't know anyone who voted for Casey because of Traveller comments. They were all protesting about welfare entitlement culture and the lack of any politicians willing to challenge it. Send out a message that there's potentially a large number of votes out there for someone who'll dare to challenge the status quo

like

wealthy businessmen not paying fair levels of tax?

thecomedian · 27-10-2018 1:28pm

Jackman25 wrote: »

How is he avoiding paying tax?
What exactly have people been easily fooled about?

Gods knows, but they are all fools and that’s what’s important.

omega man · 27-10-2018 1:28pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

like

wealthy businessmen not paying fair levels of tax?

What’s your source? Please link the stats on his personal and business tax contributions.

martingriff · 27-10-2018 1:32pm

Deleted User wrote: »

like

wealthy businessmen not paying fair levels of tax?

In relation to how he or others do it they would say I do the same if I could

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 27-10-2018 1:32pm

So now, what's to be done about all the people that think wrongly?

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