non-Irish .. can they vote for Irish President?

Andy From Sligo · 17-10-2018 1:44pm #1

been resident in Ireland since 1991 but not Irish - can I vote for president?

I know I can vote in Local Elections and country elections - but not referendums .. but can I vote for President of Ireland? - did google but havent come across answer

For Forks Sake · 17-10-2018 2:19pm

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/moving_to_ireland/introduction_to_the_irish_system/right_to_vote.html

The right to vote is as follows:

Irish citizens may vote at every election and referendum;
British citizens may vote at Dáil elections, European elections and local elections;
Other European Union (EU) citizens may vote at European and local elections*
Non-EU citizens may vote at local elections only.

blanch152 · 17-10-2018 4:25pm

The reason why British people can't vote for President is because we have reciprocal arrangements with the UK whereby they can vote in elections that they allow us to vote in. We will allow them vote for a choice of President when they allow us to vote for a choice of Monarch.

Cordell · 17-10-2018 4:30pm

We can't vote for presidential and general elections and referendums, we can only vote for local and European ones.
But we can pay all the taxes, so at least there's that.

Andy From Sligo · 17-10-2018 7:55pm

Cordell wrote: »

We can't vote for presidential and general elections and referendums, we can only vote for local and European ones.
But we can pay all the taxes, so at least there's that.

when you say 'we' do you mean the the uk citizens resident in Ireland ... if so yeah I can vote in Local and general elections .. but not referendums (and president elections it seems then)

Peregrinus · 18-10-2018 3:21am

Cordell wrote: »

We can't vote for presidential and general elections and referendums, we can only vote for local and European ones.
But we can pay all the taxes, so at least there's that.

From memory, EU citizens can vote in Irish general elections if Irish citizens are allowed to vote in general election in their home country. Only the UK allows Irish citizens to vote in general elections; therefor UK citizens are the only ones who get to vote in Irish general elections.

Spook_ie · 18-10-2018 4:27am

On the basis that Irish Citizens resident in the UK were allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum should we not extend the same rights to British Citizens resident here to our referendums?

Eligibility to vote
The right to vote in the referendum in the United Kingdom is defined by the legislation as limited to residents of the United Kingdom who were either also Commonwealth citizens under the British Nationality Act 1948 (which include British citizens and other British nationals), or those who were also citizens of the Republic of Ireland, or both. Members of the House of Lords, who could not vote in general elections, were able to vote in the referendum.[51]

Residents of the United Kingdom who were citizens of other EU countries were not allowed to vote unless they were citizens (or were also citizens) of the Republic of Ireland, of Malta, or of the Republic of Cyprus.[52]

The Representation of the People Acts 1983 (1983 c. 2) and 1985 (1985 c. 50), as amended, also permit certain British citizens (but not other British nationals), who had once lived in the United Kingdom, but had since and in the meantime lived outside of the United Kingdom, but for a period of no more than 15 years, to vote.[53]

Voting on the day of the referendum was from 0700 to 2200 BST (WEST) (0700 to 2200 CEST in Gibraltar) in some 41,000 polling stations manned by over 100,000 staff. Each polling station was specified to have no more than 2,500 registered voters.[citation needed] Under the provisions of the Representation of the People Act 2000, postal ballots were also permitted in the referendum and were sent out to eligible voters some three weeks ahead of the vote (2 June 2016).

The minimum age for voters in the referendum was set to 18 years, in line with the Representation of the People Act, as amended. A House of Lords amendment proposing to lower the minimum age to 16 years was rejected.[54]

The deadline to register to vote was initially midnight on 7 June 2016; however, this was extended by 48 hours owing to technical problems with the official registration website on 7 June, caused by unusually high web traffic. Some supporters of the Leave campaign, including the Conservative MP Sir Gerald Howarth, criticised the government's decision to extend the deadline, alleging it gave Remain an advantage because many late registrants were young people who were considered to be more likely to vote for Remain.[55] According to provisional figures from the Electoral Commission, almost 46.5 million people were eligible to vote.[56]

Peregrinus · 18-10-2018 5:03am

Spook_ie wrote: »

On the basis that Irish Citizens resident in the UK were allowed to vote in the Brexit referendum should we not extend the same rights to British Citizens resident here to our referendums?

When we have advisory referendums, we will think about whether to let UK citizens vote in them. So far, we've never had advisory referendums.

When the UK lets Irish citizens vote in self-executing constitutional referendums, we'll think about letting UK citizens vote in ours. So far, the UK has never held a self-executing constitutional referendum.

It's all about reciprocity, baby!

Andy From Sligo · 18-10-2018 7:50pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

When we have advisory referendums, we will think about whether to let UK citizens vote in them. So far, we've never had advisory referendums.

When the UK lets Irish citizens vote in self-executing constitutional referendums, we'll think about letting UK citizens vote in ours. So far, the UK has never held a self-executing constitutional referendum.

It's all about reciprocity, baby!

it sounds like a child's game! - "you cannot vote in our referendum's because we cannot vote in yours ... so there! " -

time for someone to grow up and realise that Ireland is well multi cultural with loads of people who are now well and truly settled and should be allowed to vote in referendums and the next president

tobsey · 18-10-2018 9:25pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

it sounds like a child's game! - "you cannot vote in our referendum's because we cannot vote in yours ... so there! " -

time for someone to grow up and realise that Ireland is well multi cultural with loads of people who are now well and truly settled and should be allowed to vote in referendums and the next president

Why not get citizenship?

EdgeCase · 18-10-2018 9:31pm

If you've been continuously resident for 5 years, you're entitled to apply for citizenship by naturalisation and it does not impact your UK citizenship, US citizenship or any country that allows dual-nationality with Ireland - you can hold both.
(It's shortened to 3 years if married to an Irish national)

Voting rights:

Irish Citizens: All elections.
UK Citizens: All elections, except referenda and presidential.
EU Citizens: European and Local Elections.
Other residents of any nationality: Local elections.

Very few, if any countries open their elections to non-citizens and the UK/Irish reciprocity is due to historical reasons.

Andy From Sligo · 18-10-2018 9:53pm

tobsey wrote: »

Why not get citizenship?

huge cost!

blackwhite · 18-10-2018 10:29pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

huge cost!

Well surely if you want all the rights that come with citizenship then you should be putting your money where your mouth it?

AnneFrank · 18-10-2018 10:32pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

been resident in Ireland since 1991 but not Irish - can I vote for president?

I know I can vote in Local Elections and country elections - but not referendums .. but can I vote for President of Ireland? - did google but havent come across answer

No, you're not Irish, and never will be.

AnneFrank · 18-10-2018 10:34pm

Cordell wrote: »

We can't vote for presidential and general elections and referendums, we can only vote for local and European ones.
But we can pay all the taxes, so at least there's that.

you can also leave ?

Zaph · 18-10-2018 10:37pm

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

huge cost!

It's not for nothing, but it's not exactly a huge cost either. €175 application fee and €950 certification fee if your application is successful, so a total of €1,125. Or about 80c per week since 1991...

18-10-2018 10:37pm

I am an Irish citizen. Also English as it happens!
But, currently living overseas, I can't vote at all if I'm overseas.
That's worse.

EdgeCase · 19-10-2018 12:27am

Well, it's not really worse as you also don't live here. It's pretty frustrating to have policies being decided above your head but, I think if resident somewhere long term and citizenship is possible, you might as well go for it so you can fully participate in everything.

Andy From Sligo · 19-10-2018 1:08am

Zaph wrote: »

It's not for nothing, but it's not exactly a huge cost either. €175 application fee and €950 certification fee if your application is successful, so a total of €1,125. Or about 80c per week since 1991...

ah , see there now - would they even let you pay 80c per week because thats the only way i am going to afford it at the moment .

you say "a total of €1,125" like its only 50 quid!

Andy From Sligo · 19-10-2018 1:12am

blackwhite wrote: »

Well surely if you want all the rights that come with citizenship then you should be putting your money where your mouth it?

well i personally think (and i suppose maybe many might not agree with me) that being resident in a country for a certain amount of time , having a dual nationality Irish/UK wife and 2 Irish children I should be able to automatically be able to apply for Irish Citizenship .. and if a fee just a nominal one

Zaph · 19-10-2018 1:14am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

ah , see there now - would they even let you pay 80c per week because thats the only way i am going to afford it at the moment .

you say "a total of €1,125" like its only 50 quid!

To be fair I do appreciate that even the €175 fee is a lot for some people, so apologies if I may have sounded flippant about it. But what I meant is that while it's not a cheap process in that pretty much everyone has something better that they could think of doing with that extra grand still in their pocket, neither is it priced so extortionately that it prevents a lot of people from becoming Irish citizens.

Mellor · 19-10-2018 1:18am

Cordell wrote: »

But we can pay all the taxes, so at least there's that.

Why wouldn't you pay taxes? Is there some co-relation between voting and paying taxes.

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

ah , see there now - would they even let you pay 80c per week because thats the only way i am going to afford it at the moment .

you say "a total of €1,125" like its only 50 quid!

It's not €50 but it's not a massive amount of money either. It seems to be the going rate. FWIW I paid more for my citizenship process in Australia.
If somebody felt it was necessary or worth it, they'd avail of the option. If they don't, they won't. FWIW, you application is probably as trivial and automatic as they come.

Zaph · 19-10-2018 1:18am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

well i personally think (and i suppose maybe many might not agree with me) that being resident in a country for a certain amount of time , having a dual nationality Irish/UK wife and 2 Irish children I should be able to automatically be able to apply for Irish Citizenship .. and if a fee just a nominal one

I agree with you to a point, but presumably there are all sorts of background checks and stuff to be done for each new applicant, and the fees are designed to cover the cost of that. Even under your circumstances I'd assume that they'd still want to do some checks, albeit maybe less stringent, and a nominal fee may not be enough to cover the cost.

Andy From Sligo · 19-10-2018 1:23am

Zaph wrote: »

I agree with you to a point, but presumably there are all sorts of background checks and stuff to be done for each new applicant, and the fees are designed to cover the cost of that. Even under your circumstances I'd assume that they'd still want to do some checks, albeit maybe less stringent, and a nominal fee may not be enough to cover the cost.

yep there is that I suppose

Peregrinus · 19-10-2018 2:50am

Zaph wrote: »

I agree with you to a point, but presumably there are all sorts of background checks and stuff to be done for each new applicant, and the fees are designed to cover the cost of that. Even under your circumstances I'd assume that they'd still want to do some checks, albeit maybe less stringent, and a nominal fee may not be enough to cover the cost.

This. The fee is not trivial, certainly, but it's set on a cost-recovery basis. Overall, the cost of running INIS is supposed to be covered by the fees that it charges.

To an extent, the successful applicants subsidize the unsuccessful ones. It costs more than €175 to process an application, so there's a shortfall on each application that's refused. That is covered by a surplus on the certification fees paid by successful applicants. I suspect the thinking is that people are more willing to pay a larger fee when a successful outcome is certain and they are getting something important in return for the fee. It would be a pisser to have to pay, say, €500 to have your application processed, only to have it knocked back, and have nothing to show at the end of the day.

SharpshooterTom · 19-10-2018 4:51am

Guys I have a question, can duel citizens vote?

For example, the voter registration forms in Ireland have this question (question number 7):

Please tick ONE BOX ONLY to indicate whether you are:

- a Citizen of Ireland
- a British citizen
- a national of another EU member state (other than UK)
- a national of another non-EU country

https://www.checktheregister.ie/appforms/RFA2_English_Form.pdf

I'm born and raised in England to two Irish parents although I currently live in the north and I'm just wondering if I ever lived in the south what box would I tick?

Peregrinus · 19-10-2018 5:33am

When you say "two Irish parents", so long as at least one of them was born in Ireland (NI or the Republic, it doesn't matter) then you are or are entitled to be an Irish citizen and you could tick the "Citizen of Ireland" box.

You are also a British citizen but that's not relevant in this context, since being an Irish citizen confers the more extensive voting rights, so fo the purpose of entering you in the electoral register that's all they are interested in.

Spook_ie · 19-10-2018 5:39am

Considering the costs of formally becoming an Irish citizen, these costs being zero afaik for successful refugee applications. Will we see a rise in applications from the UK as Brefugees?

19-10-2018 6:13am

EdgeCase wrote: »

Well, it's not really worse as you also don't live here. It's pretty frustrating to have policies being decided above your head but, I think if resident somewhere long term and citizenship is possible, you might as well go for it so you can fully participate in everything.

Well, I do live there, I'm only overseas for a short while.

Peregrinus · 19-10-2018 6:27am

bubblypop wrote: »

Well, I do live there, I'm only overseas for a short while.

If you remain "ordinarily resident" in Ireland, you can keep your name on the register and you can vote. But you do, of course, have to be physically present to vote.

19-10-2018 6:42am

Peregrinus wrote: »

If you remain "ordinarily resident" in Ireland, you can keep your name on the register and you can vote. But you do, of course, have to be physically present to vote.

Yea, that's what i mean. I was home in May to vote, but this will be the first presidential election I have missed.
I believe citizens living elsewhere should have the right to vote in presidential or referendum, for a certain period of time. Not dail elections though.
Once they are gone for over the time period allowed, that right is taken away.
Also, I believe non Irish living here should be entitles to vote on dail elections & presidential ones, but not referendum, unless they become citizens.
So Andy, pay up or shut up!
( that's a joke )

johnnyskeleton · 19-10-2018 8:55am

AnneFrank wrote: »

No, you're not Irish, and never will be.

AnneFrank wrote: »

you can also leave ?

Mod note:

Please read the charter re standards of post and being civil towards other posters.

tobsey · 19-10-2018 9:12am

Spook_ie wrote: »

Considering the costs of formally becoming an Irish citizen, these costs being zero afaik for successful refugee applications. Will we see a rise in applications from the UK as Brefugees?

Are you sure about that? Being granted asylum is not the same as citizenship

Peregrinus · 19-10-2018 9:28am

tobsey wrote: »

Are you sure about that? Being granted asylum is not the same as citizenship

Refugee status is a path to residence, not citizenship. However if you do acquire residence as a refugee then, after having resided in Ireland for the necessary period and satisfied the same conditions as apply to anyone else, you can apply to be naturalised as an Irish citizens on the same basis as anyone else can.

The standard application fee of €175 is payable. But if your application is successful, the certification fee (€950 for an adult, €200 for a child) is waived for recognised refugees and stateless persons.

SharpshooterTom · 19-10-2018 2:16pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

When you say "two Irish parents", so long as at least one of them was born in Ireland (NI or the Republic, it doesn't matter) then you are or are entitled to be an Irish citizen and you could tick the "Citizen of Ireland" box.

You are also a British citizen but that's not relevant in this context, since being an Irish citizen confers the more extensive voting rights, so fo the purpose of entering you in the electoral register that's all they are interested in.

So if I were to tick British citizen on that form even though I'm also an Irish citizen that would essentially block my rights to vote in a referendum or a presidential election and thus I'm just handicapping myself?

Cordell · 19-10-2018 2:35pm

Mellor wrote: »

Why wouldn't you pay taxes? Is there some co-relation between voting and paying taxes.

No, and there shouldn't be any.
But still, I find it unfair that I pay taxes but I don't have a say in what goes with those taxes. I think it will be a fairer system to allow all permanent resident to vote in all elections, regardless of their citizenship (or indeed, tax) status.
Also, I normally think that citizens living abroad should be allowed to vote, but Ireland is a more particular situation, with such a large number of Irish citizens or eligible for Irish citizenship.

EdgeCase · 19-10-2018 3:56pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Well, I do live there, I'm only overseas for a short while.

Yeah, that kind of situation should be accommodated with a postal vote.

I'd like to see something like this:

If you move abroad, you could continue to vote in your constituency for say a maximum of 10 years.

If you're gone for more than 10 years - perhaps verifiable by the fact you have no postal address here and haven't physically voted, then you could be moved to a Seanad Irish Abroad panel with maybe 3 senators, similar to the NUI or Trinity panel setup.

I don't really agree with the idea of long-term overseas residents voting in national elections, but I do think they should be represented in the system elsewhere.

looksee · 19-10-2018 4:13pm

I arrived in Ireland in 1973 (45 years ago) with an Irish husband. Someone came to the door and asked were we registered to vote and I said no. Right so, he said, I'll put you on the register. And that was it. I have voted in every referendum and election since. It was only fairly recently I realised my voting rights were actually more limited, I had never even thought about it. In spite of moving house and re-registering three more times, the subject of my nationality (UK) never came up; the last move was 30 years ago.

Now I have moved again and this time there is a more complex form to fill in that asks questions, so I won't be voting in any more referenda. Bit of an end of an era feel to it!

Hotblack Desiato · 19-10-2018 10:16pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

When you say "two Irish parents", so long as at least one of them was born in Ireland (NI or the Republic, it doesn't matter) then you are or are entitled to be an Irish citizen and you could tick the "Citizen of Ireland" box.

You are also a British citizen but that's not relevant in this context, since being an Irish citizen confers the more extensive voting rights, so fo the purpose of entering you in the electoral register that's all they are interested in.

Is applying for a passport relevant? A person born in the UK can assert Irish citizenship for electoral purposes without ever having held an Irish passport?

I thought I heard somewhere that entitlement to Irish citizenship wasn't enough, you had to assert that right to gain it, and the way to assert your right to citizenship is to successfully apply for a passport.

Of course (unless they want to fly Ryanair) a UK citizen doesn't need a passport to come here. So (correct me if I'm wrong) you could be born in the UK of Irish descent, never apply for a passport UK never mind Ireland, come here, live here, and have an entitlement to Irish citizenship since your birth, but you don't actually become an Irish citizen until you apply for and receive an Irish passport.

19-10-2018 11:51pm

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Is applying for a passport relevant? A person born in the UK can assert Irish citizenship for electoral purposes without ever having held an Irish passport?

I thought I heard somewhere that entitlement to Irish citizenship wasn't enough, you had to assert that right to gain it, and the way to assert your right to citizenship is to successfully apply for a passport.

Of course (unless they want to fly Ryanair) a UK citizen doesn't need a passport to come here. So (correct me if I'm wrong) you could be born in the UK of Irish descent, never apply for a passport UK never mind Ireland, come here, live here, and have an entitlement to Irish citizenship since your birth, but you don't actually become an Irish citizen until you apply for and receive an Irish passport.

I was born in the UK, to two Irish parents. Moved here aged around 11 , didn't have any passport of any type until I was 24, but am voting here since I was 18.
I have never been asked for proof of citizenship. But I am an Irish citizen. As per my passport now, and my driving licence etc......

Andy From Sligo · 20-10-2018 4:06pm

so - I think I have this straight (i did have sort of an inkling before) if I was stateless or a asylum I could become Irish for 175eur application fee - but because I am not either one of those humans I have to pay the extra 950euro for citizenship. - so a stateless or asylum seeker can get irish nationalisation gets it a hell of a lot cheaper and has no ties whatsoever to Ireland.

I come from the country next to Ireland, my wife is Dual nationality, born in UK to 2 irish parents from galway , Have 2 Irish children born in Ireland , have lived here for 27 years and contributed to Ireland's economy , came over here legally, and yet I have to pay full whack over a thousand euro to become an Irish citizen ... thats what I find hard to get my head around it as a fair system

Zaph · 22-10-2018 12:09am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

so - I think I have this straight (i did have sort of an inkling before) if I was stateless or a asylum I could become Irish for 175eur application fee - but because I am not either one of those humans I have to pay the extra 950euro for citizenship. - so a stateless or asylum seeker can get irish nationalisation gets it a hell of a lot cheaper and has no ties whatsoever to Ireland.

I come from the country next to Ireland, my wife is Dual nationality, born in UK to 2 irish parents from galway , Have 2 Irish children born in Ireland , have lived here for 27 years and contributed to Ireland's economy , came over here legally, and yet I have to pay full whack over a thousand euro to become an Irish citizen ... thats what I find hard to get my head around it as a fair system

Asylum seekers generally spend a couple of years in direct provision centres with no opportunity to work and earn money other than a €21.60 weekly allowance, and have presumably come from backgrounds where they may have had to leave their own countries with little more than the clothes on their backs. The rules were changed in February following a Supreme Court case, but to work they still need to shell out a minimum of €500 for a work permit and find a job paying a minimum of €30k where an employer can demonstrate that they couldn't find a suitable Irish or EU citizens to do the job. In other words, these people have no money, and no real opportunity to earn any until they become Irish citizens following a successful asylum application, so expecting them to be able to pay for their citizenship is a bit unrealistic.

Peregrinus · 22-10-2018 1:33am

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

So if I were to tick British citizen on that form even though I'm also an Irish citizen that would essentially block my rights to vote in a referendum or a presidential election and thus I'm just handicapping myself?

Yes. If you have more than one of the statuses on the form, you should tick the status that gives you the most extensive voting rights. Which in your case is, as you'd expect, "Irish citizen".

Peregrinus · 22-10-2018 1:40am

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Is applying for a passport relevant? A person born in the UK can assert Irish citizenship for electoral purposes without ever having held an Irish passport?

Yes, if he's an Irish citizen. You may need to hold a passport to travel, but you certainly don't need one to vote.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

I thought I heard somewhere that entitlement to Irish citizenship wasn't enough, you had to assert that right to gain it, and the way to assert your right to citizenship is to successfully apply for a passport.

That's one way, and if you live outside Ireland (and so can't vote) it's probably the obvious way. (Though, of course, it's not cheap.)

But if you are entitled to citizenship you "activate" that by doing anything that only a citizen can (properly) do. Like asserting your citizenship when you enrol to vote.

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

Of course (unless they want to fly Ryanair) a UK citizen doesn't need a passport to come here. So (correct me if I'm wrong) you could be born in the UK of Irish descent, never apply for a passport UK never mind Ireland, come here, live here, and have an entitlement to Irish citizenship since your birth, but you don't actually become an Irish citizen until you apply for and receive an Irish passport.

No. If you're entitled to citizenship you can do anything that is only open to citizens, and that converts your entitlement into actual citizenship.

Strictly speaking, if you go down the passport route, what triggers your citizenship is not being granted the passport; it's applying for it. Passports are only granted to people who are already citizens.

Peregrinus · 22-10-2018 1:43am

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

so - I think I have this straight (i did have sort of an inkling before) if I was stateless or a asylum I could become Irish for 175eur application fee - but because I am not either one of those humans I have to pay the extra 950euro for citizenship. - so a stateless or asylum seeker can get irish nationalisation gets it a hell of a lot cheaper and has no ties whatsoever to Ireland.

What do you mean, "no ties whatsoever to Ireland"? The residence, etc conditions that he has to satisfy in order to be naturalised are exactly the same as the conditions that apply to you. The only concession he gets is on the fees.

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

I come from the country next to Ireland, my wife is Dual nationality, born in UK to 2 irish parents from galway , Have 2 Irish children born in Ireland , have lived here for 27 years and contributed to Ireland's economy , came over here legally, and yet I have to pay full whack over a thousand euro to become an Irish citizen ... thats what I find hard to get my head around it as a fair system

Is it fair that refugees and stateless people get a fee concession? I think I can live with the injustice, somehow.

s7ryf3925pivug · 22-10-2018 2:20am

I know a British citizen who always gets voting cards for referendums - and presumably presidential elections. How could I report this? ...Am I right in thinking he would not be in any danger of getting in trouble were he to be reported?

Peregrinus · 22-10-2018 2:30am

Maliyah Tall Penny wrote: »

I know a British citizen who always gets voting cards for referendums - and presumably presidential elections. How could I report this? ...Am I right in thinking he would not be in any danger of getting in trouble were he to be reported?

He would not. It's an error in the register. If it gets reported, it gets corrected. They generally don't embark on a witch-hunt to find out how the error arose - did he tick the wrong box or was there a data entry error by a council official? They just correct the register.

The register is updated each year. A draft register is published on 1 November and if you think there's a mistake in it you can object, and they'll look into it and (hopefully) correct it before the draft takes effect as the official register which happens, I think, the following April.

Mellor · 22-10-2018 3:04am

Cordell wrote: »

But still, I find it unfair that I pay taxes but I don't have a say in what goes with those taxes. I think it will be a fairer system to allow all permanent resident to vote in all elections, regardless of their citizenship (or indeed, tax) status

Unfortunate, maybe. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Permanent residents aren't the only people who pay tax. Citizenship isn't an unreasonable place to draw that line imo.
If somebody feels strongly about it there are routes they can take.

Maliyah Tall Penny wrote: »

I know a British citizen who always gets voting cards for referendums - and presumably presidential elections. How could I report this? ...Am I right in thinking he would not be in any danger of getting in trouble were he to be reported?

Id it possible that they are an Irish citizen as well as british?

s7ryf3925pivug · 22-10-2018 4:58am

Mellor wrote: »

Unfortunate, maybe. But you have to draw the line somewhere. Permanent residents aren't the only people who pay tax. Citizenship isn't an unreasonable place to draw that line imo.
If somebody feels strongly about it there are routes they can take.

Id it possible that they are an Irish citizen as well as british?

I know that they are not. I have heard it is deliberate on the part of the local registrar.

Mellor · 22-10-2018 6:48am

Maliyah Tall Penny wrote: »

I know that they are not.

How could you know a strangers personal details like that.
It's quite possible that there's a mistake on the register. There a lot. A simple clerical error, or misplaces check mark is all it takes.

s7ryf3925pivug · 22-10-2018 8:25am

Mellor wrote: »

How could you know a strangers personal details like that.
It's quite possible that there's a mistake on the register. There a lot. A simple clerical error, or misplaces check mark is all it takes.

Never said they were a stranger. The idea of getting Irish citizenship disgusts him.

non-Irish .. can they vote for Irish President?

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