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    #212
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    Zebra3 wrote: »
    I find it hilarious that so many think the poppy appeal is a great charity.

    Why doesn’t the British state just look after its’ killers?

    That argument could quite easily be made for any charity.


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    #213
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    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    Because the British state doesn't give a fook about the young, mainly working class men it sends out to do its dirty work.

    yeah, that's bollocks.

    You do know why Harry and Meghan are in Sydney at the moment, yes? or dies Harry not count as part of the "British State"?


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    #214
    Ragnar Lothbrok
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    Aegir wrote: »
    That argument could quite easily be made for any charity.

    Not at all. These soldiers were directly employed by the British government to carry out the policies of that government.

    The same cannot be said for a donkey sanctuary or a local sports club or the thousands of other charities people raise money for.


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    #215
    Ragnar Lothbrok
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    Aegir wrote: »
    yeah, that's bollocks.

    You do know why Harry and Meghan are in Sydney at the moment, yes? or dies Harry not count as part of the "British State"?

    Not bollocks really, or the British government would support it's former soldiers who need financial assistance directly as a result of the injuries they received whilst serving that government. Not that the British would be alone in that regard.

    I have no idea why Harry and Meghan are in Australia. I care even less.


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    #216
    Zebra3
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    Aegir wrote: »
    That argument could quite easily be made for any charity.

    No it couldn’t.


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    #217
    Odhinn
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    Aegir wrote: »
    That argument could quite easily be made for any charity.


    ....that the British state should look after its killers? Fairly sure Banardos and the life boat shop are safe there.


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    #218
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    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    Not at all. These soldiers were directly employed by the British government to carry out the policies of that government.

    The same cannot be said for a donkey sanctuary or a local sports club or the thousands of other charities people raise money for.

    yes, because all charities look after Donkies. Not, for example, lifeboats or cancer research, or feeding homeless people. Should we stop donating to these charities, because the Government should do it all?
    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    Not bollocks really, or the British government would support it's former soldiers who need financial assistance directly as a result of the injuries they received whilst serving that government. Not that the British would be alone in that regard.

    they do. Because you don't know about it, it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/debt-and-money/pensions/types-of-pension/pension-and-compensation-schemes-for-the-armed-forces-veterans-and-their-families/

    https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/benefits/armed-forces-and-veterans/

    How much can any one government do though? for anything major, specialist organisations are usually best placed to help people long term, especially if they are suffering from PTSD or life changing injuries, or supporting the families of soldiers killed whilst on active duty. The government can easily provide short term care, which they do very well, but longer term requires more specialist support, usually from people who have had a similar experience/

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/nov/05/afghanistan-injured-soldiers-rehabilitation

    remember of course, the soldiers in that article where in Afghanistan on a UN mission. A mission that was sanctioned and voted on unanimously by the UN security council.
    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    I have no idea why Harry and Meghan are in Australia. I care even less.

    so you don't know, or care that Harry is in Australia to open the Invictus games (an event he was instrumental in setting up) and yet you are somehow qualified to make a statement that the British State don't care about their ex service men.

    Is your name Jon Snow by any chance?


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    #219
    Zebra3
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    If the British state cared about its soldiers it would look after them.

    Good old Nazi Harry rebuilding his image. What better way than appealing to the squaddie groupies?


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    #220
    Odhinn
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    Aegir wrote: »
    yes, because all charities look after Donkies. Not, for example, lifeboats or cancer research, or feeding homeless people. Should we stop donating to these charities, because the Government should do it all?

    ............


    No, he was referring to the people they send out to war specifically.


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    #221
    Sciprio
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    My father was in the British army, he joined in 1958 for six years then joined the Irish army for 21 years but even he wouldn't wear a poppy or care about the British Government. He only did that as he was too young at first for the Irish so went over to england after his brother gave him a fiver to go over by boat.


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    #222
    Church on Tuesday
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    zapitastas wrote: »
    Is a little more complex given that Redmond was pushing Irish volunteers to join the war on the side of the British as a means to obtain home rule. I would have sympathy with those men who were misled. For others who did it as mercenaries that is another story

    I think it's a bit harsh to call them mercenaries TBH, for a lot of men it was a way to make a few bob and send it back to the wife and kids.

    The vast majority went at the behest of Redmond for what they ultimately thought was for eventual Home Rule.


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    #223
    Church on Tuesday
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    Patww79 wrote: »
    God no the new breed couldn't be seen with anything Irish. Being ultra modern and progressive is about disowning all things Irish and embracing the anti. Balls deep in it.

    Well I consider myself progressive so I guess that makes me part of the 'new breed' whatever that means.

    I have also on occasion worn the Easter Lily and proudly as my grandfather fought in the War of Independence.

    You need to be less presumptuous.


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    #224
    joe40
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    I worked in England for 4 years in the nineties and there was none of this poppy hysteria. Some people wore them but there was zero pressure put on anyone. It was an individuals choice nothing more.
    When did this all change?


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    #225
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    joe40 wrote: »
    I worked in England for 4 years in the nineties and there was none of this poppy hysteria. Some people wore them but there was zero pressure put on anyone. It was an individuals choice nothing more.
    When did this all change?

    When social media made everything outrageous to someone.


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    #226
    An Claidheamh
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    evolving_doors wrote: »
    There's a red one with a shamrock now, so is there any more need for debate?

    So basically, donate to the pensions of the Dublin and Monaghan terrorists -
    as there is a shamrock on the blood stained poppy.

    This country....


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    #227
    Zebra3
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    joe40 wrote: »
    I worked in England for 4 years in the nineties and there was none of this poppy hysteria. Some people wore them but there was zero pressure put on anyone. It was an individuals choice nothing more.
    When did this all change?

    When it became a tool of conforming to support for Britain’s (latest) war crimes in the Middle East.


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    #228
    Edgware
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    Ragnar Lothbrok wrote: »
    So, I'm a scrote am I? That's a highly impressive way of you to join a debate.

    The Special Branch were extremely petty when it came to harassment of Republicans - they needed to ensure they got their massive overtime cheques too. Regular stop and search on the street of Republicans continued until way into the Peace Process and after the GFA too.

    Not to mention the rather more serious activities of the Heavy Gang and their like that were common enough too.
    "Republicans"
    What's Republican about planting no warning bombs in pubs in Birmingham and slaughtering young people on a night out?

    Hopefully the Special Branch shoved your collection box up your hole


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    #229
    bobbysands81
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    Edgware wrote: »

    Hopefully the Special Branch shoved your collection box up your hole
    Edgware wrote: »
    Oh I'd say they really went out to frustrate the scrotes going around the pubs with their tin box collecting a few bob from the bar stool republicans
    Edgware wrote: »
    Poor candidate choice by SF. Usual scumbag behaviour by SF supporters no surprise

    You ok hon?


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    #230
    riffmongous
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    Ouch

    https://twitter.com/giantpoppywatch/status/1052539947499044864


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    #231
    weldoninhio
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    joe40 wrote: »
    I worked in England for 4 years in the nineties and there was none of this poppy hysteria. Some people wore them but there was zero pressure put on anyone. It was an individuals choice nothing more.
    When did this all change?

    When Britain needed fodder for Iraq/Afghanistan they needed to big up the military.


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    #232
    AdrianLM
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    It's still the Royal British Legion supporting all ex British troops, so no there's no need for debate. You either support them or you don't.
    Agreed, Not a chance would I wear one. Anyone who knows their history wouldn't either. Where's the accountability for Bloody Sunday? Do I want to help supplement some paras pension fund who shot civilians in Derry? Not a chance.


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    Odhinn wrote: »
    ....that the British state should look after its killers? Fairly sure Banardos and the life boat shop are safe there.

    Nah, those kids Barnardos helps will be part of the future generation of killers! Safer to donate to a dog's home instead.

    Animals never had a war - who's the real animals? - Prof. Hubert J. Farnsworth.


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    #234
    Ragnar Lothbrok
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    Aegir wrote: »
    yes, because all charities look after Donkies. Not, for example, lifeboats or cancer research, or feeding homeless people. Should we stop donating to these charities, because the Government should do it all

    I'm pretty sure that is the exact opposite of what I said! My point is (please read this carefully before responding) that the British government employed the soldiers and were responsible for sending them to conflicts and should therefore support them without the need for extra funding from charities such as the annual Poppy Day appeal.

    Ridiculous of you to suggest I said all charities look after donkeys (please note the correct plural of donkey is not "Donkies"). My exact line was "The same cannot be said for a donkey sanctuary or a local sports club or the thousands of other charities people raise money for."

    Where did I say that the British government should fund every organisation or cause that is looking for charity? I didn't. If you're going to answer my posts, at least have the decency to read my posts properly and reply to the relevant points you disagree with. Don't misquote me or insinuate that I made comments which I clearly didn't.


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    #235
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    AdrianLM wrote: »
    Agreed, Not a chance would I wear one. Anyone who knows their history wouldn't either. Where's the accountability for Bloody Sunday? Do I want to help supplement some paras pension fund who shot civilians in Derry? Not a chance.

    Where is the respect for the thousands of Irishmen who faught courageously who spilled their blood in Flanders and gave their lives fighting a just cause for country and Empire?

    Embarrassment at Ireland's national cowardice the second time around can make weary a poppy look a bit rich, but I still dont feel it is a reason not to commemorate and remember our fallen.


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    #236
    AnneFrank
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Where is the respect for the thousands of Irishmen who faught courageously who spilled their blood in Flanders and gave their lives fighting a just cause for country and Empire?

    Embarrassment at Ireland's national cowardice the second time around can make weary a poppy look a bit rich, but I still dont feel it is a reason not to commemorate and remember our fallen.

    Irish cowardice because of neutrality?


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    #237
    AdrianLM
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭AdrianLM



    Where is the respect for the thousands of Irishmen who faught courageously
    who spilled their blood in Flanders and gave their lives fighting a just cause
    for country and Empire?

    What just cause? During the great war there were no good or bad guys, just two sides who were almost as imperialistic as each other.

    You are entitled to wear one if you want, same as I am entitled to my opinion.


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    #238
    Ragnar Lothbrok
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    Aegir wrote: »
    so you don't know, or care that Harry is in Australia to open the Invictus games (an event he was instrumental in setting up) and yet you are somehow qualified to make a statement that the British State don't care about their ex service men.

    Is your name Jon Snow by any chance?

    I'm afraid I still don't care why they are there. Fair play to them for raising funds for their own soldiers, I suppose. Still doesn't mean I think any Irish person should support the poppy appeal.

    No government really gives a damn about its former soldiers (or current soldiers either). They are mostly cannon-fodder to be used and used again until they're no longer any use and then tossed onto the scrap heap. This is, of course, a generalisation, but it's been proven again and again after any major conflict. How well do you think the British government treated the soldiers coming back from the trenches after the First World War, for example?

    To quote a character from one of my favourite shows "You know nothin', Jon Snow."


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    #239
    The Rape of Lucretia
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    AdrianLM wrote: »
    What just cause? During the great war there were no good or bad guys, just two sides who were almost as imperialistic as each other.

    What???

    Read a little history.
    They may not have had the Nazi racial ideology, but the Prussian militarist motivation to crush France was the same before, during and after The GW.
    Bad guys im anybody's book.
    Repelling them was entirely noble and just.


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    #240
    Ragnar Lothbrok
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Ragnar Lothbrok


    Edgware wrote: »
    "Republicans"
    What's Republican about planting no warning bombs in pubs in Birmingham and slaughtering young people on a night out?

    Hopefully the Special Branch shoved your collection box up your hole

    You make excellent points there.

    I've changed my mind over the whole poppy issue. Now all I need to do is remove the old collection box from my hole and I can go around collecting for this worthy cause.

    :rolleyes:


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    #241
    joe40
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    The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »
    Where is the respect for the thousands of Irishmen who faught courageously who spilled their blood in Flanders and gave their lives fighting a just cause for country and Empire?

    Embarrassment at Ireland's national cowardice the second time around can make weary a poppy look a bit rich, but I still dont feel it is a reason not to commemorate and remember our fallen.

    Now I know you're on a wind up


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