Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

Geuze · 08-10-2018 11:29AM

Cabaal wrote: »

And don't assume because you know one or two that all people on long-term welfare are working the system or pulling in big amounts.

Labelling them all the same is like encountering one person from Dublin who's a prick so you decide all people from Dublin are pricks, only an ignorant fool would label all people from Dublin like this.

If you think they are doing something illegal then please by all means report them.

Yes, and I don't for a moment think many of long-term welfare are like this.

I suggest that able-bodied adults on long-term welfare should be challenged more.

Geuze · 08-10-2018 11:31AM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

What really intrigues me about threads like this is the level of moaning by some. Honestly if the dole is so great why isn't the unemployment rate higher. Like it's painted as a wonderful life. Seems strange anyone would choose work. 2.2 million people, myself included must be awful idiots .

We do have, by far, the highest rate of VLWI in the EU.

It is accepted by most that this is partly due to the design of our welfare state.

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https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php/People_at_risk_of_poverty_or_social_exclusion#Work_intensity

end of the road · 08-10-2018 11:36AM

weldoninhio wrote: »

As said before, they have to go into town to collect their dole. So they already have that cost. 6-7 miles, even double that, should be no problem for an able bodied person to walk.

as said before, their town may not have a library. as they can collect dole in the post office, which they may have in their village rather then nearest town, then even if they do have a library, it's still potentially not accessible to them. the costs of getting to the town to use the library, will also add up, meaning that even with walking, the smart phone at 30 quid will be a lot cheaper then your suggestions, and way better value for money as well.

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Fair play that's a nice bit of tax being paid to help the country. Now to get take all the fraudsters and wasters off social welfare so we all get more take home pay.

you actually wouldn't get more take home pay as tax wouldn't be reduced even if all the tiny amount of wasters were off wellfare today.

dvdman1 wrote: »

Social welfare payments should be abandoned out right... we'd soon see the appreciation of work.

we wouldn't no . those who appreciate work are working and will work. the small few who don't, nothing can be done.

engiweirdo · 08-10-2018 12:02PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

How would one create a CV on a smartphone? Does the E30 smartphone come with just MS WORD, or the full MS suite??

You actually can these days. Not it matters much, I construct CV/Cover letter on PC and save a copy to the phone. So much quicker and easier to instantly apply for jobs on the mobile than have to turn on laptop, get set up or travel to a library. And before you start, yes I bought the laptop with income from employment.

fin12 · 08-10-2018 12:20PM

Whether there is one person or thousands on the dole, ye will always pay tax and it won’t be reduced cause there’s no dolies to pay , will be put into other areas.

GreeBo · 08-10-2018 12:21PM

fin12 wrote: »

Whether there is one person or thousands on the dole, ye will always pay tax and it won’t be reduced cause there’s no dolies to pay , will be put into other areas.

Most people are ok with their tax money being used to improve things rather than handed to people who make no attempt to cover their own costs.

weldoninhio · 08-10-2018 12:28PM

Melendez wrote: »

Here is a thought. You could go to a library and construct a CV. Then you could store it on your phone for forwarding to potential employers as the need arises.

If you are a long term doler, you shouldn't be able to afford a smartphone. If you can then the dole is too generous and should be cut. It should also be give in the form of a smart card that can only be used along with the persons SW card. Any shop found giving goods out to anyone other than the cardholder should be fined, same as they are for serving underage people alcohol. The card should also be restricted so that alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed to be purchased on it.

Hitman3000 · 08-10-2018 12:31PM

weldoninhio wrote:

If you are a long term doler, you shouldn't be able to afford a smartphone. If you can then the dole is too generous and should be cut. It should also be give in the form of a smart card that can only be used along with the persons SW card. Any shop found giving goods out to anyone other than the cardholder should be fined, same as they are for serving underage people alcohol. The card should also be restricted so that alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed to be purchased on it.

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to suggest the modern version of food stamp bollixolgy. The hatred and bitterness on this thread is hilarious.

fin12 · 08-10-2018 12:36PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Most people are ok with their tax money being used to improve things rather than handed to people who make no attempt to cover their own costs.

Ya so what’s the point in complaining about unless you can become the minister for social protection and change the way social welfare is given out. It’s pretty pointless.

end of the road · 08-10-2018 12:37PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If you are a long term doler, you shouldn't be able to afford a smartphone. If you can then the dole is too generous and should be cut.

if you are a long term doler, you should not be able to afford a radio + being able to make lots of trips to the library and all of the costs that brings, if you can then you should be told to spend 30 quid on a smart phone, which allows you to do everything you could do at the library and more.

weldoninhio wrote: »

It should also be give in the form of a smart card that can only be used along with the persons SW card. Any shop found giving goods out to anyone other than the cardholder should be fined, same as they are for serving underage people alcohol. The card should also be restricted so that alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed to be purchased on it.

unviable due to cost and practicality. + the shop would be bankrupted via having to pay fines for selling goods to anyone other then the holders of these cards because most of their customers wouldn't have the cards.

Graces7 · 08-10-2018 12:39PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If you are a long term doler, you shouldn't be able to afford a smartphone. If you can then the dole is too generous and should be cut. It should also be give in the form of a smart card that can only be used along with the persons SW card. Any shop found giving goods out to anyone other than the cardholder should be fined, same as they are for serving underage people alcohol. The card should also be restricted so that alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed to be purchased on it.

:eek:

PlaneSpeeking · 08-10-2018 12:42PM

Graces7 wrote: »

:eek:

He's 100% spot on, you need to join the real world I'm afraid.

PlaneSpeeking · 08-10-2018 12:43PM

end of the road wrote: »

if you are a long term doler, you should not be able to afford a radio + being able to make lots of trips to the library and all of the costs that brings, if you can then you should be told to spend 30 quid on a smart phone, which allows you to do everything you could do at the library and more.

unviable due to cost and practicality. + the shop would be bankrupted via having to pay fines for selling goods to anyone other then the holders of these cards because most of their customers wouldn't have the cards.

Can someone explain the premise to eotr there please ? It's clearly not getting through.

iamwhoiam · 08-10-2018 12:44PM

Graces7 wrote: »

:eek:

I wouldn't be bothered even being shocked at that poster . Those kind of posts are done for attention and a reaction .There are a few posters who hop on these kind of threads and whinge about everything little thing . Its a little sad to see such hate and anger really

All Seeing Eye · 08-10-2018 12:46PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to suggest the modern version of food stamp bollixolgy. The hatred and bitterness on this thread is hilarious.

Food stamps are the way forward. Might stop the people of Cherryfield Avenue Athlone buying cans to drink outside their house during the day time.

Hitman3000 · 08-10-2018 12:47PM

All Seeing Eye wrote:

Food stamps are the way forward. Might stop the people of Cherryfield Avenue Athlone buying cans to drink outside their house during the day time.

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Caught you out yesterday.

_Kaiser_ · 08-10-2018 12:51PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

I don't think I'm getting any Christmas bonus. Haven't heard anything about one anyway. The only day I'm guaranteed to have off is Christmas Day. But having been on the dole until very recently, I feel so happy and lucky to have a job. Not working was a fucking miserable, shitty existence that nearly drove me to suicide, and there is not a chance that I'll begrudge anyone less fortunate than me a bit of extra money at Christmas

This... so much this.

I was out of work for a year in the recession. It was soul-destroying and not an experience to be "envied" at all.

Aside from the obvious day to day of a LOT less money to work with, you have to renegotiate any loans/utilities you can no longer afford (because they don't just disappear along with your income) making you feel even more worthless. Because these bills are normally monthly whereas Welfare is weekly, life becomes a very stressful exercise of trying to make sure you have paid them all enough to leave you alone for another few weeks.

Then you go to the Social Welfare where you're treated like a criminal scumbag for daring to ask for some of the money you've been paying for for years. Not to mention the threatening demands that you do this, or turn up at that (which all costs money to do as well).

The notion that the Welfare system is some sort of paradise for those who are on it is frankly ridiculous nonsense spouted by keyboard warriors who have obviously never had to try to survive on it, and who probably have lived their lives sheltered by mammy and daddy's money for the most part.

Are there people who abuse it? Absolutely! Should these people be identified and punished? Defintely! Is it the massive issue that it's made out to be by people like the OP? Not a chance!!! Most people are those who are just trying to get by until they get something else.. but it suits the narrative of those in power to pit one side against the other (here it's the unemployed against the employed, next it will be public vs private sector workers, or union vs non-union etc etc) so as to distract from the incredible waste and mismanagement of public finances and policy generally.

But by all means, continue!

Sephiroth_dude · 08-10-2018 12:53PM

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Food stamps are the way forward.

Sit back then and watch the homeless situation become even worse, great idea.

weldoninhio · 08-10-2018 12:55PM

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Sit back then and watch the homeless situation become even worse, great idea.

How would stopping the "rent" for their social housing at source and giving people a card that can be used to buy food make the housing situation worse??

_Kaiser_ · 08-10-2018 01:02PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

If you are a long term doler, you shouldn't be able to afford a smartphone. If you can then the dole is too generous and should be cut. It should also be give in the form of a smart card that can only be used along with the persons SW card. Any shop found giving goods out to anyone other than the cardholder should be fined, same as they are for serving underage people alcohol. The card should also be restricted so that alcohol and cigarettes are not allowed to be purchased on it.

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to suggest the modern version of food stamp bollixolgy. The hatred and bitterness on this thread is hilarious.

Sure why don't we make "dolers" easier to identify for everyone... maybe something like a badge? Or a star? Gold maybe...

FFS.. the nonsense from some in this thread is ridiculous!

Samsgirl · 08-10-2018 01:04PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Sure why don't we make "dolers" easier to identify for everyone... maybe something like a badge? Or a star? Gold maybe...

FFS.. the nonsense from some in this thread is ridiculous!

If they are that embarrassed about it let them get a job.

iamwhoiam · 08-10-2018 01:08PM

Samsgirl wrote: »

If they are that embarrassed about it let them get a job.

Lets hope you never have the misfortune to loose your job and have to find another overnight so

weldoninhio · 08-10-2018 01:11PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Sure why don't we make "dolers" easier to identify for everyone... maybe something like a badge? Or a star? Gold maybe...

FFS.. the nonsense from some in this thread is ridiculous!

Easier to identify?? The majority of people use cards to pay for things these days. How would using a card make dolers more identifiable??

Sephiroth_dude · 08-10-2018 01:12PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

How would stopping the "rent" for their social housing at source and giving people a card that can be used to buy food make the housing situation worse??

Its happening in America, why should they be restricted in what they buy?

Samsgirl · 08-10-2018 01:13PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Lets hope you never have the misfortune to loose your job and have to find another overnight so

I have been there. And have been on social welfare as a temporary measure until I got another job. Like how it's intended to be used.

ELM327 · 08-10-2018 01:15PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Lets hope you never have the misfortune to loose your job and have to find another overnight so

Already have done.

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Its happening in America, why should they be restricted in what they buy?

+1
Works fine in the US.

weldoninhio · 08-10-2018 01:16PM

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Its happening in America, why should they be restricted in what they buy?

Because the money is to cover their food and bills. Not to be drank, smoked, snorted or given over to Paddy Power.

Hitman3000 · 08-10-2018 01:16PM

ELM327 wrote:

+1 Works fine in the US.

Good ,let it stay in America . American society is not something I would like to see us emulate.

ELM327 · 08-10-2018 01:18PM

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Good ,let it stay in America . American society is not something I would like to see us emulate.

We're not emulating American society, we could at least emulate the rest of the western world (except Ireland and the UK) and impose some limits on the numbers of years you can get SW payments. We are the only major western countries where you can live and breed (ad infinitum) without contributing a red cent.

Graces7 · 08-10-2018 01:18PM

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Sit back then and watch the homeless situation become even worse, great idea.

and depression and suicide rates rise

Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

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