Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

flazio · 27-09-2018 10:25PM

A nice story close to home.
https://www.galwaydaily.com/news/loughrea-students-come-second-at-international-formula-1-in-schools-competition/

Harika · 27-09-2018 10:58PM

https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2018/09/27/how-many-people-really-watch-formula-one-online/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Yeah watching F1 on phones might not save liberty

SCOOP 64 · 27-09-2018 11:13PM

Harika wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2018/09/27/how-many-people-really-watch-formula-one-online/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Yeah watching F1 on phones might not save liberty

wow ch4 with 2,412 viewers way ahead i know its free, i think next year ch4 still showing f1 be it highlights which i will still watch rather then pay ,now if ch4 lose it in 2020 will most of these viewers be lost to ?

Joeseph Balls · 28-09-2018 12:28AM

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

wow ch4 with 2,412 viewers way ahead i know its free, i think next year ch4 still showing f1 be it highlights which i will still watch rather then pay ,now if ch4 lose it in 2020 will most of these viewers be lost to ?

Formula E ?
They are watching this too.

vectra · 28-09-2018 01:42AM

Gintonious wrote: »

Of course, I'll hedge my bets that Ferrari know what they are doing.

Nobody suggested they didn't know what they were doing.
All I said was lets wait and see how next 2 seasons pan out for both drivers.

You seem to be under the impression the Leclerc will outshine what Kimi is doing this season,
Maybe he will,
I doubt it very much do,
Bt I do fully believe that Kimi will score much more next season in the sauber than Leclerc does this season.

Jordan 199 · 28-09-2018 03:42AM

Inviere wrote: »

Have C4 got Suzuka?

Yeah, it will be live on C4.

Frank Bullitt · 28-09-2018 04:00AM

vectra wrote: »

Nobody suggested they didn't know what they were doing.
All I said was lets wait and see how next 2 seasons pan out for both drivers.

You seem to be under the impression the Leclerc will outshine what Kimi is doing this season,
Maybe he will,
I doubt it very much do,
Bt I do fully believe that Kimi will score much more next season in the sauber than Leclerc does this season.

I am of the opinion that Leclerc will do very well in that Ferrari next year, no point comparing that to Kimi this year because the regulations change and the cars will be significantly different.

Again the same with Kimi in the Sauber next year, different car, different regs, apples to oranges.

pjohnson · 28-09-2018 08:12AM

Haas confirm Magnussen and Grosjean for 2019.

Toro Rosso are set to confirm Kvyat in the next few days. Wehrlein is meant to partner him next year. And Stroll should be moving to Racing Point to partner Perez.

That just leaves both Williams seats available.

g1983d · 28-09-2018 08:53AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Haas confirm Magnussen and Grosjean for 2019.

Toro Rosso are set to confirm Kvyat in the next few days. Wehrlein is meant to partner him next year. And Stroll should be moving to Racing Point to partner Perez.

That just leaves both Williams seats available.

Cute move by Williams, last 2 seats on the grid and a lot of drivers looking for seats.
They will squeeze every penny they can out of the drivers they end up with

vectra · 28-09-2018 09:27AM

Gintonious wrote: »

I am of the opinion that Leclerc will do very well in that Ferrari next year, no point comparing that to Kimi this year because the regulations change and the cars will be significantly different.

Again the same with Kimi in the Sauber next year, different car, different regs, apples to oranges.

You are a laugh a minute,, :pac::pac:

So if Leclerc does worse next year than Kimi is doing this year in the Ferrari it will be because the car is different??

And if Kimi does better next year than Leclerc is doing this year in the Sauber it will be because the car is different??

I like your way of thinking

Inviere · 28-09-2018 09:31AM

vectra wrote: »

You are a laugh a minute,, :pac::pac:

So if Leclerc does worse next year than Kimi is doing this year in the Ferrari it will be because the car is different??

And if Kimi does better next year than Leclerc is doing this year in the Sauber it will be because the car is different??

I like your way of thinking

Whatever happens though, the cars will be different, so there’s no point directly comparing drivers who are swapping seats. Kimi will do very well, he brings tons of experience to a midfield team, and is exactly what they need. Le Clerc will do well too, he has to really, there’s nowhere to hide in a top team.

muckwarrior · 28-09-2018 09:39AM

The only way to compare LeCelrc and Kimi is against Vettel. Trying to compare how they fare in 2 different cars in 2 different seasons is just silly.

vectra · 28-09-2018 09:39AM

Inviere wrote: »

Whatever happens though, the cars will be different, so there’s no point directly comparing drivers who are swapping seats. Kimi will do very well, he brings tons of experience to a midfield team, and is exactly what they need. Le Clerc will do well too, he has to really, there’s nowhere to hide in a top team.

That is exactly my point but it appears not everyone agrees.
He HAS TO do well.
That is a million miles away from actually doing well.
I wonder how everyone will feel this time next IF Vettel does what Alonso has done to Vandoorne?
I still think they had the best combination in the team with the current drivers to give them any chance of a title.

Inviere · 28-09-2018 09:43AM

vectra wrote: »

I wonder how everyone will feel this time next IF Vettel does what Alonso has done to Vandoorne?.

I feel that’s unlikely, but in F1 you can never rule anything out really. If Le Clerc is badly exposed by Vettel, he’s going to have a very bad year, and won’t last long at all. It’ll effectively end his career in F1. However, if Le Clerc starts asking questions of Vettel, which I also wouldn’t rule out, I think this poses bigger problems for Ferrari.

mickdw · 28-09-2018 10:24AM

Le clerc will not get shown up in terms of outright speed against vettel. Sure we might see some mistakes and vettel beating him over the season but he has all the speed imo.

We could see Hamilton / Alonso at mclaren 2007 type situation with Le clerc happy with podium early rounds then starting to take wins.

Inviere · 28-09-2018 10:27AM

mickdw wrote: »

Le clerc will not get shown up in terms of outright speed against vettel. Sure we might see some mistakes and vettel beating him over the season but he has all the speed imo.

Working with Ferrari is a pressure cooker though, that’ll be his big test

skipper_G · 28-09-2018 10:30AM

Inviere wrote: »

Working with Ferrari is a pressure cooker though, that’ll be his big test

I fully expect him to succeed at Ferrari. He's got the right temperament, the speed, the racing instincts. As close to a total package since Hamilton's debut

skipper_G · 28-09-2018 10:33AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Haas confirm Magnussen and Grosjean for 2019.

Toro Rosso are set to confirm Kvyat in the next few days. Wehrlein is meant to partner him next year. And Stroll should be moving to Racing Point to partner Perez.

That just leaves both Williams seats available.

I actually can't believe Grosjean is still in that seat, think it shows a level of naivety on the part of Haas. He's inconsistent, there are better options out there.

Charlie-Bravo · 28-09-2018 10:33AM

I think Gio, although still a rookie, will be bringing lots of info/experience with him, as will Kimi, and Sauber next year will be the best of the rest team (4th team). They have so much momentum at the moment that I can't see Hass or Racing Point being better than them.

flazio · 28-09-2018 10:40AM

Haas remain unchanged for next year.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/45676007

riggerman · 28-09-2018 11:35AM

Hass are after losing 2 sets of tyres due to a overnight fire according to news reports. A security guard put out the fire and saved them a whole heap of trouble if it had spread.

vectra · 28-09-2018 12:55PM

mickdw wrote: »

Le clerc will not get shown up in terms of outright speed against vettel. Sure we might see some mistakes and vettel beating him over the season but he has all the speed imo.

We could see Hamilton / Alonso at mclaren 2007 type situation with Le clerc happy with podium early rounds then starting to take wins.

And yet Gio achieved better lap times than LeClerc in P1 this morning

10) Antonio Giovinazzi Sauber 1:36.712

14) Charles Leclerc Sauber 1:37.054

mickdw · 28-09-2018 01:58PM

vectra wrote: »

And yet Gio achieved better lap times than LeClerc in P1 this morning

10) Antonio Giovinazzi Sauber 1:36.712

14) Charles Leclerc Sauber 1:37.054

Jesus, someone sign up Giovinazzi to a big team quick because he is a confirmed genius.
It's one session, I imagine that will be reversed over the weekend as a whole never mind the remaining races.
Edit. Ops. Forget he was only in for P1.
I was writing off Ericsson too soon

El_Duderino 09 · 28-09-2018 02:26PM

vectra wrote: »

Gintonious wrote: »

Its not really speculation to say that Leclerc is a better prospect than Kimi. One is at the beginning of his career and has shown serious speed in a slower car, the other is off to that slower car.

Lets wait and see how that pans out.;)

I’d be shocked if Kimi is faster next year than this year. He’s been on a downward trajectory for the last 5/6 years. This year is a surprising rise in form, but I’d say it’s a blip rather than a return to form.

In any case, Kimi is the past. He’s surviving on his name as much as Ericsson is surviving on his money.

I dont really get the love for Kimi. Some people think every grumble down the team radio is comic genius. I think the Kimi love clouds people’s judgement of how fast he is. In truth, he’s not very fast or exciting any more. Nor has he been since the Lotus days.

Frank Bullitt · 28-09-2018 04:17PM

vectra wrote: »

You are a laugh a minute,, :pac::pac:

So if Leclerc does worse next year than Kimi is doing this year in the Ferrari it will be because the car is different??

And if Kimi does better next year than Leclerc is doing this year in the Sauber it will be because the car is different??

I like your way of thinking

Right back at you, you do love meaningless comparisons these days, keep up the great work

You are trying to compare exact scenarios, when in reality they are far from that. You can throw red herrings all you want, we just have to wait and see.

Personally I see Leclerc excelling, a few podiums if the car is up to it. Pretty much the same as Kimi now, which would be impressive no? A 21 year (next year) doing the same as a veteran and former world champ.

At least Kimi now has the chance to beat a teammate in the same car at least.

PopePalpatine · 28-09-2018 05:17PM

riggerman wrote: »

Hass are after losing 2 sets of tyres due to a overnight fire according to news reports. A security guard put out the fire and saved them a whole heap of trouble if it had spread.

Anyone else suspicious that this happened to an American team in Russia? :pac:

vectra · 28-09-2018 07:32PM

Gintonious wrote: »

At least Kimi now has the chance will be free to beat a teammate in the same car at least.

Fixed that bit of your post there for you.

As for the Leclerc?

Both you and I and everyone else on this planet has not got one clue how he will go next year
so back at you there to one of my previous replies.
We will have to wait to see how it pans out.

chicorytip · 28-09-2018 08:43PM

Addyson Gray Glue wrote:

Appointing Raikkonen is weakening their prospects? Kimi's signing alone will add sponsors as he is a popular guy, more money means more development, they are thinking long term on the financial side far beyond his 2 year contract.

pjohnson wrote:

Yeah thats just completly bizarre statement. But I'm also pretty sure this poster (as in Chicorytip not Deckard) said Grosjean deserved the Ferrari drive over Leclerc so not suprised I guess.

Yes, but what about on the track? He's not going to get any quicker. I like Kimi as a driver but he really ought to retire rather than run the risk of being severely embarrassed. We have seen this with the likes of Mansell, Schumacher and Piquet in the past. This appointment has been foisted on Sauber and is purely political. It's not logical, from a racing perspective, to offer a two year deal to a thirty nine year old driver. A younger guy should get the seat. Ericsson has done nothing to deserve getting shafted in this manner.
As regards Grosjean - yes I think he would have been highly suited to the Ferrari job. He has great ability and pace and has scored points consistently throughout his career. Leclerc has done nothing, as yet, to justify the hype that surrounds him. Vettel will remain the dominant figure in the team.

Inviere · 28-09-2018 08:48PM

chicorytip wrote: »

Yes, but what about on the track? He's not going to get any quicker. I like Kimi as a driver but he really ought to retire rather than run the risk of being severely embarrassed. We have seen this with the likes of Mansell, Schumacher and Piquet in the past. This appointment has been foisted on Sauber and is purely political. It's not logical, from a racing perspective, to offer a two year deal to a thirty nine year old driver. A younger guy should get the seat. Ericsson has done nothing to deserve getting shafted in this manner.
As regards Grosjean - yes I think he would have been highly suited to the Ferrari job. He has great ability and pace and has scored points consistently throughout his career. Leclerc has done nothing, as yet, to justify the hype that surrounds him. Vettel will remain the dominant figure in the team.

Kimi > Ericsson. Today, and even at 41 in two years time.

There’s a lot to be said for bringing someone with Kimis experience to a midfield team. Sure he won’t be fighting for wins or championships, but there’s the challenge of bringing a whole team forward. It might appeal to him, he’s done everything else really. Ericsson is crap, going absolutely nowhere. He shouldn’t get that seat just because of his age, it’s about what you bring to the table.

Charlie-Bravo · 28-09-2018 09:30PM

Not many experienced drivers would like this scenario, but it would be a good idea to have Kimi as a 3rd driver who would turn up at every track and set the car up in FP1, then let the rookies run the rest of practice, quali and the race. He could alternate between the two drivers cars getting them lots of experience in how the car should feel.

Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

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