Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

Tell me how · 26-09-2018 04:40PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Nope, again not what I said.

Pretty sure it was.

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Why can't you debate the post and not the poster?

This makes no sense.

I'm putting you on ignore now. It's for the best for threads where we interact. I'm sure you'll enjoy boards more without me responding.

ButtersSuki · 26-09-2018 04:47PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Pretty sure it was.

Nope.

I said:

She's a GP, the lowest of the low in the doctor hierarchy.

Which is a fact; and absolutely not what you have implied in your various and deliberate editing and misquotings (plural) of what I said.

ButtersSuki · 26-09-2018 04:50PM

Tell me how wrote: »

This makes no sense.

I'm putting you on ignore now. It's for the best for threads where we interact. I'm sure you'll enjoy boards more without me responding.

Debating the post and not the poster doesn't make sense to you? Ok. It's a basic tenet of any form of organised and civilised debate or disagreement, but I guess if you're not familiar with it then you're not familiar with it.

26-09-2018 04:58PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Debating the post and not the poster doesn't make sense to you? Ok. It's a basic tenet of any form of organised and civilised debate or disagreement, but I guess if you're not familiar with it then you're not familiar with it.

Could we not just stay on topic here- Lunchtime with Ciara Kelly ? This thread is for all of us , if you have a personal gripe could you take it off the thread instead of playing ping pong just to prove you’re right ?

ButtersSuki · 26-09-2018 05:03PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Could we not just stay on topic here- Lunchtime with Ciara Kelly ? This thread is for all of us , if you have a personal gripe could you take it off the thread instead of playing ping pong just to prove you’re right ?

I agree. For the record though, I don’t have a personal gripe with anyone, and I’m not the one getting personal or deliberately misquoting posters here.

CatFromHue · 26-09-2018 06:05PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I actually think Yates is stronger than Hook or Sarah McInerney and Chris Donoghue and I think Ciara is better at format of her show than Hook was. Jonathan Healy was unlistenable for me. I don't overly listen to Breakfast, partly because I'm mostly on the go then and partly because I don't find it that appealing. Overall I think they have stronger lineup now than they had before.

I agree on Yates.

I'm not so sure on Ciara, I much preferred Hook's show. The song of the week and the story from the past were very good bits, even the girls section on Friday was better than the Friday round up they have now.

I'm not surprised there's been no major swing in listening numbers as when you think about it if you want to listen to talk radio there's no competition for the first hour or hour and half of the show.

Compare that to say if a presenter changes on Today FM then there is competition in 2FM and any local radio station too as they all play music.

Tell me how · 26-09-2018 06:16PM

CatFromHue wrote: »

I'm not so sure on Ciara, I much preferred Hook's show. The song of the week and the story from the past were very good bits, even the girls section on Friday was better than the Friday round up they have now.

Listening to George on Saturdays, he sounds like he enjoys the show as much as he ever did. Still has song of the week, Michael Graham from the US and so on.
I've never heard him make any negative comment about what happened (but I haven't listened every week)

This workload probably suits him much better than a full time gig at this stage of his life

meeeeh · 26-09-2018 06:27PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I have given my sources - a number of GPs, and I have said if the information I received and recycled is incorrect I apologise. I don't know what else I can do to satisfy you.

You however seem completely happy to accept an un-vouched for statement from another poster as it suits your own viewpoint. Double standards?

And I thought you were ignoring me? Glad to see you're not.

I'm not accepting anything. But I do think it would be more honest to state 'I heard or 'there is a rumour'. This is not just about your claims but any claims made with authority. I actually thought you looked the details in cro or something similar.

ButtersSuki · 26-09-2018 07:04PM

meeeeh wrote: »

I'm not accepting anything. But I do think it would be more honest to state 'I heard or 'there is a rumour'. This is not just about your claims but any claims made with authority. I actually thought you looked the details in cro or something similar.

Ok, I’ll make sure to qualify my statements further in future in the abcence of verifiable evidence.

You say you’re not accepting anything, yet you didn’t however challenge the other poster on the voracity of their claim, which was contrary to mine. Would you consider that a double standard perhaps?

I find it somewhat bizarre that poster’s claim is accepted as fact without any evidence to back it up. As I previously stated, if I’m wrong I’ll put my hands up but I was going on information I received from numerous GPs. Considering they work in the same profession and would be part of the same professionally body/bodies as Kelly, I took that to be more accurate than merely a rumour.

nuac · 26-09-2018 07:18PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Well, some say that GP's are the lowest of the low, so are you sure you want to go on their advice?

That is a rather odd remark.

Medical courses are tougher, longer and more competitive than almost all other professions.

Yes GPs courses tend to be shorter - typically seven years for the basic medical qualification plus an average of four further years study and work before entering general practice.

Candidates for specialists consultancies travel a longer route of clinical practice at home and abroad, study, competitive examinations, submissions of papers, working for fellowships etc. etc

Referring to GPs as the "lowest of the low" is imho a gross and unfair simplification

ButtersSuki · 26-09-2018 07:40PM

nuac wrote: »

That is a rather odd remark.

Medical courses are tougher, longer and more competitive than almost all other professions.

Yes GPs courses tend to be shorter - typically seven years for the basic medical qualification plus an average of four further years study and work before entering general practice.

Candidates for specialists consultancies travel a longer route of clinical practice at home and abroad, study, competitive examinations, submissions of papers, working for fellowships etc. etc

Referring to GPs as the "lowest of the low" is imho a gross and unfair simplification

ButtersSuki wrote: »

Nope.

I said:

She's a GP, the lowest of the low in the doctor hierarchy.

Which is a fact; and absolutely not what you have implied in your various and deliberate editing and misquotings (plural) of what I said.

I feel it important to qualify this for once and for all. I did not say what the poster implied and for absolute clarity:

I've been reluctant to state this up to this point but for the purposes of clarity, I'm from a family of medics - GPs and Specialists. One of my parents and 2 of my siblings are doctors of one type or another, whilst there are other relatives who practice medicine too. It's been a running joke/slagging thing in my family for decades at this stage that the GPs are "the dumbest" people (within the cohort of those who practice medicine) in the family. So the "lowest of the low within the doctor hierachy" comment came from there. It is factually accurate. Perhaps my language is a little too pedantic and clinical (no pun intended) for some on here, but to imply I'm suggesting they're "the lowest of the low" in some sort of scumbag way is being deliberately obtuse and suggesting I think my own family members are essentially scumbags. For those people, let me assure you that I do not think that.

Had I said "GPs are on the bottom of the GP hierarchy" I doubt those who have gone out of their way to take offence where none was intended would have done so.

Tell me how · 26-09-2018 08:18PM

nuac wrote: »

That is a rather odd remark.

Medical courses are tougher, longer and more competitive than almost all other professions.

Yes GPs courses tend to be shorter - typically seven years for the basic medical qualification plus an average of four further years study and work before entering general practice.

Candidates for specialists consultancies travel a longer route of clinical practice at home and abroad, study, competitive examinations, submissions of papers, working for fellowships etc. etc

Referring to GPs as the "lowest of the low" is imho a gross and unfair simplification

I could not agree with you more. It was a rhetorical post to the one who originally made the claim.

ButtersSuki · 26-09-2018 09:03PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I could not agree with you more. It was a rhetorical post to the one who originally made the claim.

Except I made no such claim as I have repeatedly and indeed very recently pointed out.

ButtersSuki · 26-09-2018 09:05PM

Tell me how wrote: »

I could not agree with you more. It was a rhetorical post to the one who originally made the claim.

Genuine question - what part of the following do you not understand? Because you insist on deliberately misquoting me and attempting to attribute something to me that i did not say.

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I feel it important to qualify this for once and for all. I did not say what the poster implied and for absolute clarity

I've been reluctant to state this up to this point but for the purposes of clarity, I'm from a family of medics - GPs and Specialists. One of my parents and 2 of my siblings are doctors of one type or another, whilst there are other relatives who practice medicine too. It's been a running joke/slagging thing in my family for decades at this stage that the GPs are "the dumbest" people (within the cohort of those who practice medicine) in the family. So the "lowest of the low within the doctor hierachy" comment came from there. It is factually accurate. Perhpas my language is a little too pedantic and clinical (no pun intended) for some on here, but to imply I'm suggesting they're "the lowest of the low" in some sort of scumbag way is being deliberately obtuse and suggesting I think my own family members are essentially scumbags. For those people, let me assure you that I do not think that.

Had I said "GPs are on the bottom of the GP hierarchy" I doubt those who have gone out of their way to take offence where none was intended would have done so.

sligojoek · 26-09-2018 09:43PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

I feel it important to qualify this for once and for all. I did not say what the poster implied and for absolute clarity:

I've been reluctant to state this up to this point but for the purposes of clarity, I'm from a family of medics - GPs and Specialists. One of my parents and 2 of my siblings are doctors of one type or another, whilst there are other relatives who practice medicine too. It's been a running joke/slagging thing in my family for decades at this stage that the GPs are "the dumbest" people (within the cohort of those who practice medicine) in the family. So the "lowest of the low within the doctor hierachy" comment came from there. It is factually accurate. Perhaps my language is a little too pedantic and clinical (no pun intended) for some on here, but to imply I'm suggesting they're "the lowest of the low" in some sort of scumbag way is being deliberately obtuse and suggesting I think my own family members are essentially scumbags. For those people, let me assure you that I do not think that.

Had I said "GPs are on the bottom of the GP hierarchy" I doubt those who have gone out of their way to take offence where none was intended would have done so.

I take it you're the priest of the family then.

*Grabs coat and runs*

Faugheen · 26-09-2018 10:07PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

or, y'know, maybe she's doing a job she loves?!

One of the greatest cods of economic science is the notion that human beings are economically motivated or, to be more specific, mainly so.

But if that were the case, most leaving cert students would be going for jobs in IT. Whereas they're mainly pursuing courses in the humanities, so much so that it's almost cause for concern!

You can tell when someone loves their job, and whether you like her broadcasting style or not (personally, I do) Ciara Kelly sounds to me like she enjoys every moment of her show. Fair play to her. She doesn't exactly strike me as an ego maniac.

She certainly loves the sound of her own voice, no argument from me on that.

You say that likes it's a stick to beat her with.

I mean, find me a national radio presenter who doesn't love the sound of their own voice?

ButtersSuki · 26-09-2018 10:58PM

sligojoek wrote: »

I take it you're the priest of the family then.

*Grabs coat and runs*

You know me better than that caller.

Sleeper12 · 27-09-2018 01:00PM

Another missed opportunity today. They could have had a child psychologist on giving professional opinion on child homework.

I have heard an American or Canadian child psychologist on Newstalk in the afternoons. He says time & again that homework for primary school kids is a total was of time. They are kids and should be all afternoon out playing not doing homework is his stance.

Tell me how · 27-09-2018 01:09PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Another missed opportunity today. They could have had a child psychologist on giving professional opinion on child homework.

I have heard an American or Canadian child psychologist on Newstalk in the afternoons. He says time & again that homework for primary school kids is a total was of time. They are kids and should be all afternoon out playing not doing homework is his stance.

That was psychologist David Carey who recently passed away in April.

I don't have children so maybe my opinion is false but I think the idea of removing homework is wrong. I agree that kids should be primarily focused on non-school activities when outside of school but I think an appropriate amount of homework is useful. It allows for practice makes perfect, it promotes discipline and focus and it allows the parents to observe their child's progression.

I'm frustrated when I hear people say that children should be out running and jumping and playing football instead when in many cases, their same kids are spending more and more time online instead of going out running, jumping, etc..

Also, when kids are not capable of a certain level when they go to secondary, the blame will be put entirely on their national school teachers which is unreasonable too in my view.

Also not a teacher as well as not having children.

sydthebeat · 27-09-2018 01:15PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Another missed opportunity today. They could have had a child psychologist on giving professional opinion on child homework.

I have heard an American or Canadian child psychologist on Newstalk in the afternoons. He says time & again that homework for primary school kids is a total was of time. They are kids and should be all afternoon out playing not doing homework is his stance.

havent people copped on yet that this show is the radio equivalent of the "water cooler conversation"

right now Orla Hegarty, an architect, is on about the reluctance of going high rise in Dublin as a response to the housing crisis..... however theres absolutely no one there to argue against her.....
Ciara is given her "very laymans" opinion about something she absolutley has no understanding about... and not arguing against Orlas points in the minutae that needs to be discussed....

Sleeper12 · 27-09-2018 01:17PM

Tell me how wrote:

That was psychologist David Carey who recently passed away in April.

That knocked me for six. Very sad to hear that.

Tell me how · 27-09-2018 01:20PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

havent people copped on yet that this show is the radio equivalent of the "water cooler conversation"

right now Orla Hegarty, an architect, is on about the reluctance of going high rise in Dublin as a response to the housing crisis..... however theres absolutely no one there to argue against her.....
Ciara is given her "very laymans" opinion about something she absolutley has no understanding about... and not arguing against Orlas points in the minutae that needs to be discussed....

It's a magazine show. Like all magazine shows. It is varied, and not a debate platform where ideas are there must be equal representation.

Even Pat and Ivan, (And Matt and Mary Wilson and Sean O'Rourke) don't always have opposing sides represented.

Did you phone in and offer to counter Orla's points. That option is facilitated by Ciara's show.

sydthebeat · 27-09-2018 01:26PM

Tell me how wrote: »

It's a magazine show. Like all magazine shows. It is varied, and not a debate platform where ideas are there must be equal representation.

Even Pat and Ivan, (And Matt and Mary Wilson and Sean O'Rourke) don't always have opposing sides represented.

Did you phone in and offer to counter Orla's points. That option is facilitated by Ciara's show.

very hard to describe it as a "magazine show" when it doesnt do music and does a passing 1/2 hr weekly slot to food... not to mention the 10 hr weekly medical slot

everything else is "news of the day" reactions... and based around Ciaras opinions..... this has been describved many many times on thsi thread... how its another view of the news of the day as compared to morning Paul Willaims view, or the mid morning Pat Kenny view, or the late afternoon Yates view.

the only show thats on daily that id describe as a "magazine" show is Moncrieff, and the difference between his and Ciaras show is chalk and cheese.

Tell me how · 27-09-2018 01:33PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

That knocked me for six. Very sad to hear that.

Yeah. They dealt with it well on the show I thought.

Tribute to David Carey podcast.

Tell me how · 27-09-2018 01:36PM

sydthebeat wrote: »

very hard to describe it as a "magazine show" when it doesnt do music and does a passing 1/2 hr weekly slot to food... not to mention the 10 hr weekly medical slot

everything else is "news of the day" reactions... and based around Ciaras opinions..... this has been describved many many times on thsi thread... how its another view of the news of the day as compared to morning Paul Willaims view, or the mid morning Pat Kenny view, or the late afternoon Yates view.

the only show thats on daily that id describe as a "magazine" show is Moncrieff, and the difference between his and Ciaras show is chalk and cheese.

Sorry, it's a different type of magazine to the single type you are used to.

nuac · 27-09-2018 01:49PM

Very sorry to hear that David Carey has died. Always enjoyed listening to him.
He spoke a lot of common sense

Sleeper12 · 27-09-2018 01:57PM

Ciara did have an expert in to discuss high rise or "skyscrapers" as Ciara kept calling them. Unfortunately every time the architect tried to explain why high rise apartments don't work Ciara spoke over her.

High rise is only suitably for apartments up to 12 stories (I think). Anything higher costs too much for living accommodation. If we have higher it will be office space or hotels as these command a higher price. I know this because Pat Kenny had an expert on his show in the last few days. Pat asked a question, sat back & listened to the answer & then asked another question. The result was that I actually got to learn something & I now know that we will most likely never see high rise apartments in Dublin. Not because they wont get planning but because the cost is too high & the developer wont get a return but he will for offices or a hotel. Ciara's guest tried to convey the same message but all I heard was "Skyscrapers", I,I,I, Me, Me, Me & I think, I think, I think. Even saying goodbye to her guest she sounded disgusted. It was a horrible piece.

Having Pat cover the exact same topic & being able to compare his approach to Ciara's shows why he's on the big bucks. It wasn't supposed to be a debate. It was supposed to be informative. Ciara reading out ridiculous texts from regular joe soaps trying to win the argument. As if the more on her side made her correct.

I expect her to challenge guests on medical matters or anything that she might be an expert in but to invite an expert into the studio & talk over them like she did doesn't make a very good show imo

Sleeper12 · 27-09-2018 02:04PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah. They dealt with it well on the show I thought.

Tribute to David Carey podcast.

Thank you for posting that link. Brought a tear to my eye. I always loved his voice & accent & his advice

RIP David Carey

meeeeh · 27-09-2018 02:07PM

Tell me how wrote: »

That was psychologist David Carey who recently passed away in April.

I don't have children so maybe my opinion is false but I think the idea of removing homework is wrong. I agree that kids should be primarily focused on non-school activities when outside of school but I think an appropriate amount of homework is useful. It allows for practice makes perfect, it promotes discipline and focus and it allows the parents to observe their child's progression.

I'm frustrated when I hear people say that children should be out running and jumping and playing football instead when in many cases, their same kids are spending more and more time online instead of going out running, jumping, etc..

Also, when kids are not capable of a certain level when they go to secondary, the blame will be put entirely on their national school teachers which is unreasonable too in my view.

Also not a teacher as well as not having children.

I have 9 year old. I helped him with some homework, not because he isn't capable but to have it done faster and it still took us over an hour. Without my help pointing out things or explaining it would take another 20 minutes. I don't mind if they get their spellings, readings or tables but a third class student shouldn't have that much homework. And it depends from teacher to teacher because he got more homework in 1st class and less in 2nd.

I despise homework, I spent my primary school years copying homework from other kids during school breaks and I was one of the top students. In Ireland kids start school very young and frankly it's ridiculous when a 5 year old comes home with homework. I have another one in now senior infants, she is probably among more capable kids and we gave up on homework last year. She did the homework she wanted to do and no more.

It's not because I'm not interested in what they do and how they do in school but because most of it is just pointless agro. Finland has top school system in Europe, they start school at 7 and first few years are without homework. We expect 5 years old kids to learn to write when half of them can't even hold pencil properly. It's ridiculous. /rant off

Sleeper12 · 27-09-2018 02:11PM

meeeeh wrote: »

It's not because I'm not interested in what they do and how they do in school but because most of it is just pointless agro.

My kids are adults in their 20s but I couldn't agree with you more.

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