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Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

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  • #1382
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    anthonyjmaher wrote: »
    More man bashing today. For a change.
    That's a bit unfair on us men, i would have thought!

    The segment only related to people who go about groping or verbally abusing joggers! As Ciara Kelly said herself, it's certainly not all men.


  • #1383
    Loves_lorries
    Site Banned Posts: 272 ✭✭Loves_lorries


    A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »
    or, y'know, maybe she's doing a job she loves?!

    One of the greatest cods of economic science is the notion that human beings are economically motivated or, to be more specific, mainly so.

    But if that were the case, most leaving cert students would be going for jobs in IT. Whereas they're mainly pursuing courses in the humanities, so much so that it's almost cause for concern!

    You can tell when someone loves their job, and whether you like her broadcasting style or not (personally, I do) Ciara Kelly sounds to me like she enjoys every moment of her show. Fair play to her. She doesn't exactly strike me as an ego maniac.

    She strikes me as having a healthier than average ego.


  • #1384
    Skid X
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,444 ✭✭✭✭Skid X


    Ciara had a Self Defence expert on today discussing women being harassed while out jogging or walking.

    It's a disgrace that this happens. His practical advice was that women should choose their running routes sensibly, change direction if they feel something isn't right, and avoid running after dark if possible. Ciara agreed, they were all sensible suggestions.

    But if George Hook had made the same comments in that timeslot, there are many who would be roaring at him that women have the right to go wherever they want whenever, it's the perpetrators who should change their behaviour etc.


  • #1385
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    she was a good guest slot on someone else's show. giving her her own show was and is a step beyond her competence.


  • #1386
    Tell me how
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    she was a good guest slot on someone else's show. giving her her own show was and is a step beyond her competence.

    Is it though?

    The show is running just about a year now and during that time there has been movement of presenters within Newstalk so if it was tanking, it would be gone. I think ratings are up slightly from Georges time so.... is she not competent?


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  • #1387
    Drifter50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Drifter50


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Is it though?

    The show is running just about a year now and during that time there has been movement of presenters within Newstalk so if it was tanking, it would be gone. I think ratings are up slightly from Georges time so.... is she not competent?

    In a word, Yes. At best, she is a part time broadcaster but she is way too opinionated and men bashing continually to provide anyone with a modicum of reasonable analysis that she is capable of level headed non biased presenting.

    My advice would be to enforce a retirement to the surgery in Greystones and hire a professional broadcaster.

    Anton Savage anyone....................


  • #1388
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,319 ✭✭✭Allinall


    Drifter50 wrote: »
    In a word, Yes. At best, she is a part time broadcaster but she is way too opinionated and men bashing continually to provide anyone with a modicum of reasonable analysis that she is capable of level headed non biased presenting.

    My advice would be to enforce a retirement to the surgery in Greystones and hire a professional broadcaster.

    Anton Savage anyone....................

    How is she part time?

    Nobody presents on the radio 7.5 hours a day.

    She’s as much a professional broadcaster as Savage.

    They both get paid for their work.

    What’s the difference?


  • #1389
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Drifter50 wrote: »
    In a word, Yes. At best, she is a part time broadcaster but she is way too opinionated and men bashing continually to provide anyone with a modicum of reasonable analysis that she is capable of level headed non biased presenting.

    I'm curious though who is non biased on Newstalk? Paul Williams who seems to attract a lot of criticism? I don't often listen to Breakfast but even Coleman is not shy of stating his opinion. Pat Kenny looses it whenever someone from Sinn Fein is on. Moncrieff doesn't do politics but you can tell he is fairly liberal listening to him. And Yates it Yates, he will state any opinion that will wind up people. And yet you only have problems with Ciara Kelly, might that be because you only want to hear biases you agree with?


  • #1390
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    I'm curious though who is non biased on Newstalk? Paul Williams who seems to attract a lot of criticism. I don't often listen to Breakfast but even Coleman is not shy of stating his opinion. Pat Kenny looses it whenever someone from Sinn Fein is on. Moncrieff doesn't do politics but you can tell he is fairly liberal listening to him. And Yates it Yates, he will state any opinion that will wind up people. And yet you only have problems with Ciara Kelly, might that be because you only want to hear biases you agree with?

    So much of that today.

    "Everyone I dislike is wrong, and all the people I like agree with me."


  • #1391
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Is it though?

    The show is running just about a year now and during that time there has been movement of presenters within Newstalk so if it was tanking, it would be gone. I think ratings are up slightly from Georges time so.... is she not competent?
    just my opinion. if the ratings are up, who am I to disagree with the market, I have to switch her off after a couple of minutes but I'm probably not her target audience.


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  • #1392
    Dublin Spur
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    way too much negativity aimed at her
    very unreasonable
    does a pretty decent job IMO


  • #1393
    Drifter50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭Drifter50


    Perhaps we need one of the moderators to remind everyone that this thread is the Ciara Kelly thread. Plenty of room elsewhere to talk about other presenters on Newstalk. Lets keep this forum to the name as its lead


  • #1394
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    We must be reading different threads Drifter :) seems OK to me as long as stay discussing the host and the content of the show!

    Please use the report button if there is a specific issue


  • #1395
    Selandia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 80 ✭✭Selandia


    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    She still owns her GP practice. She will have a recurring income stream from that.

    I’m amused with the authority you use informing us about “her” GP practice. It never belonged solely to her, she bought a partnership into an existing practice originally, and she has absolutely no ties with it anymore.... so there is no going back to it, and there’s definitely no “recurring income stream” from it.


  • #1396
    i71jskz5xu42pb
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    Pat Kenny just did a longish segment on a Carlow parish who has gotten rid of a fixed communion day for children i.e. kids can just pick any Sunday for communion. Sounds sensible, I've no dog in that fight so don't care much either way.

    Lunchtime live producer decides do what: cover the exact same topic again 2 hours later
    https://twitter.com/LunchtimeLiveNT/status/1044881076861259777

    It's like Newstalk don't want people to listen to the station through the day. Fair enough if this was some massive/developing news story but it's hardly that.


  • #1397
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    Milan Curved Madman wrote: »
    Pat Kenny just did a longish segment on a Carlow parish who has gotten rid of a fixed communion day for children i.e. kids can just pick any Sunday for communion. Sounds sensible, I've no dog in that fight so don't care much either way.

    Lunchtime live producer decides do what: cover the exact same topic again 2 hours later
    https://twitter.com/LunchtimeLiveNT/status/1044881076861259777

    It's like Newstalk don't want people to listen to the station through the day. Fair enough if this was some massive/developing news story but it's hardly that.

    This comes up time and again.

    Yes, the same topics are covered repeatedly. But, there's a couple of relevant points in relation to this.

    A - different shows can consider the topic differently with different contributors
    B - There is probably a large proportion of both shows which do not listen to the other and so only hear the topic once.
    C - in Ciara's show in particular, this is an opportunity for listeners to contribute in a more direct manner than they might do on the Pat Kenny show as they can phone live on the Ciara show.
    D - The same thing happens on most stations but understandably moreso on Newstalk given that most of their shows are current affairs discussion shows.


  • #1398
    dominatinMC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭dominatinMC


    Tell me how wrote: »
    This comes up time and again.

    Yes, the same topics are covered repeatedly. But, there's a couple of relevant points in relation to this.

    D - The same thing happens on most stations but understandably moreso on Newstalk given that it's now a load of ****e most of their shows are current affairs discussion shows.
    Across the board, the station has significantly declined in the last few years! Apart from Pat Kenny


  • #1399
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    dominatinMC wrote: »
    Across the board, the station has significantly declined in the last few years! Apart from Pat Kenny

    Thats a subjective opinion. And not one backed up by facts.

    Newstalk achieves highest ever market share of 6.7% in latest JNLR

    And yes, I know, it's from the Newstalk website, but, if the figures were false, I suspect a competitor would have flagged it.

    It's so easy to claim things are always getting worse when setting out just to be pessimistic or negative. This last point is not specifically aimed at you, but the constant negative posts with weak (and subjective) arguments across all threads, stations, shows.


  • #1400
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,624 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Thats a subjective opinion. And not one backed up by facts.

    Newstalk achieves highest ever market share of 6.7% in latest JNLR

    And yes, I know, it's from the Newstalk website, but, if the figures were false, I suspect a competitor would have flagged it.

    It's so positive to claim things are always getting worse when setting out just to be pessimistic or negative. This last point is not specifically aimed at you, but the constant negative posts with weak (and subjective) arguments across all threads, stations, shows.

    I actually think Yates is stronger than Hook or Sarah McInerney and Chris Donoghue and I think Ciara is better at format of her show than Hook was. Jonathan Healy was unlistenable for me. I don't overly listen to Breakfast, partly because I'm mostly on the go then and partly because I don't find it that appealing. Overall I think they have stronger lineup now than they had before.


  • #1401
    Grolschevik
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    This last point is not specifically aimed at you, but the constant negative posts with weak (and subjective) arguments across all threads, stations, shows.

    You have to feel sorry for those poor souls who never set out to listen to the shows they hate, but are constantly caught out by their headphones failing in queues for a till, or their podcast failing to load, or it being on in the background, or the taxi driver having it on.

    Very bad luck. Never happens to me with shows I dislike.


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  • #1402
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    Grolschevik wrote: »
    You have to feel sorry for those poor souls who never set out to listen to the shows they hate, but are constantly caught out by their headphones failing in queues for a till, or their podcast failing to load, or it being on in the background, or the taxi driver having it on.

    Very bad luck. Never happens to me with shows I dislike.
    there's a very good reason why we don't allow "if you don't like it, don't listen" posts, because if we did, this entire forum would turn into a fanpage, and nobody wants anything as boring as that.

    I'm not actioning your post, because I appreciate you're just making a general observation, I'm just quoting it so that people might just be reminded of that rule, and hopefully can understand why that rule exists.


  • #1403
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Grolschevik wrote: »
    You have to feel sorry for those poor souls who never set out to listen to the shows they hate, but are constantly caught out by their headphones failing in queues for a till, or their podcast failing to load, or it being on in the background, or the taxi driver having it on.

    Very bad luck. Never happens to me with shows I dislike.


    :rolleyes:



    Firstly, you don't have to listen to the whole show to comment on any part of it.


    Secondly, I assume your comments are aimed at me? To clarify, I have frequently stated that I don't listen to the show by choice - a fact that seems to have escaped you? I have however caught parts of the show on occasion by being in public places (such as coffee shops, taxis etc.) that have Newstalk on in the background - am I not allowed to comment on same? There doesn't appear to be anything in the Radio Forum charter against this, perhaps if you are aware of some rule I'm breaking you could advise me of same? Or, should I ask a coffee shop to change it's station because I don't like Ciara Kelly?


    The specific post you're likely referring to is I suspect this:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=107807390&postcount=1172


    I was forced to listen to about 3-5minutes of the show today as I was ordering a coffee and am not rude enough to leave my headphones on whilst my order was being taken.
    During that time Ciara said her own name 5 times (I counted) whilst reading out texts. Examples:
    "Well said Ciara....."
    "Hi Ciara...."
    "I agree Ciara..."
    I've commented on her propensity for doing this previously and then as now I simply refuse to believe that every single person who texts in uses her name in the text. It's all so very "look at me".


    I really don't see what the issue is here? The above actually happened. I didn't make it up to suit my argument. I'm sorry if manners forbade me from being rude to the assistant in the coffee shop and removing my earphones to order a drink - next time I'll just leave the music or podcast I'm listening to on and shout at her; that clearly would be much better.


    Re. taxis, I'm in and out of them a lot (occupational hazard). Sometimes the taxi driver has Newstalk on, sometimes he has a cd, sometimes he (or she) has nothing on. I guess I could ask him (or her) to move the dial, but I don't.



    On many occasions (admittedly not all) I have taken the time to listen back to features on the show which have piqued my interest from comments on the thread. That's voluntary on my part, not forced or accidental. I listened back to a feature last week (her interview with Paul Howard) that I didn't comment on because I was too busy doing other things and frankly can't be bothered sometimes.




    Tell me how wrote: »
    Thats a subjective opinion. And not one backed up by facts.

    Newstalk achieves highest ever market share of 6.7% in latest JNLR

    And yes, I know, it's from the Newstalk website, but, if the figures were false, I suspect a competitor would have flagged it.

    It's so easy to claim things are always getting worse when setting out just to be pessimistic or negative. This last point is not specifically aimed at you, but the constant negative posts with weak (and subjective) arguments across all threads, stations, shows.


    The latter statement in bold ironically is also a subjective statement, or can you actually prove this to be true? Just because comments are negative (or perceived as being negative) does not always equate to them being factually incorrect.



    Why do you think people are setting out just to be negative or pessimistic? Please expand. I certainly don't set out to be, but I'll not refrain from criticising just to keep certain posters happy. I don't just post negatively btw; earlier this week I praised Pat Kenny's interview with Prof. John Crowne on the topic of Cervical Cancer screening and contrasted it with the tabloid, rabble-rousing approach used to tackle the same subject by Joe Duffy.



    The argument could also be made that there are people on the Radio Thread who are setting out to be (overly) positive and dishing out praise where none is actually warranted or due?


  • #1404
    ButtersSuki
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    Selandia wrote: »
    I’m amused with the authority you use informing us about “her” GP practice. It never belonged solely to her, she bought a partnership into an existing practice originally, and she has absolutely no ties with it anymore.... so there is no going back to it, and there’s definitely no “recurring income stream” from it.


    Source?
    I'm going on what I've heard from a number of relatively reliable sources (all GPs btw). If they're wrong, fine; but please show me where they are wrong.


  • #1405
    meeeeh
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    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    Source?
    I'm going on what I've heard from a number of relatively reliable sources (all GPs btw). If they're wrong, fine; but please show me where they are wrong.

    Actually you made a claim, it's up to you to prove it. If I claim I saw aliens yesterday I have to prove it, it's not that my claim stands until someone proves I didn't see them.


  • #1406
    Tell me how
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    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    Source?
    I'm going on what I've heard from a number of relatively reliable sources (all GPs btw). If they're wrong, fine; but please show me where they are wrong.

    Well, some say that GP's are the lowest of the low, so are you sure you want to go on their advice?


  • #1407
    ButtersSuki
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    meeeeh wrote: »
    Actually you made a claim, it's up to you to prove it. If I claim I saw aliens yesterday I have to prove it, it's not that my claim stands until someone proves I didn't see them.


    I have given my sources - a number of GPs, and I have said if the information I received and recycled is incorrect I apologise. I don't know what else I can do to satisfy you.



    You however seem completely happy to accept an un-vouched for statement from another poster as it suits your own viewpoint. Double standards?


    And I thought you were ignoring me? Glad to see you're not.


  • #1408
    ButtersSuki
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Well, some say that GP's are the lowest of the low, so are you sure you want to go on their advice?




    And again, that's not what I said, and you're once again deliberately misquoting me to try and imply I said something I didn't. I said something which has a completely different meaning to that and your repeated and deliberate editing/misquoting of that is actually against the rules.


  • #1409
    Tell me how
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    ButtersSuki wrote: »
    And again, that's not what I said, and you're once again deliberately misquoting me to try and imply I said something I didn't. I said something which has a completely different meaning to that and your repeated and deliberate editing/misquoting of that is actually against the rules.

    Oh, I beg your pardon. They are the lowest of the low within the medical profession.

    Happy now. Now your viewpoint makes perfect sense.

    "actually against the rules". Do me a favour.


  • #1410
    ButtersSuki
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    Tell me how wrote: »
    Oh, I beg your pardon. They are the lowest of the low within the medical profession.

    Happy now. Now you're viewpoint makes perfect sense.


    Nope, again not what I said.


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  • #1411
    ButtersSuki
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,028 ✭✭✭✭ButtersSuki


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Oh, I beg your pardon. They are the lowest of the low within the medical profession.

    Happy now. Now your viewpoint makes perfect sense.

    "actually against the rules". Do me a favour.


    Why can't you debate the post and not the poster?


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