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dr.kenneth noisewater · 21-09-2018 10:01AM

I dont think he wants Dublin to pay themselves, he wants the GAA to distribute the funding more equally to the rest of the country

elefant · 21-09-2018 10:03AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Ewan McKenna sees the Mayo issue as women wanting equality.
But when they get equality they are fine as long as it does not cost them anything.
He sniggers at this concept and calls it:

The we-share-everything-but-you-pay-for-dinner mentality

But, it is what McKenna expects Dublin to do in a GAA context.

Let another county (Dublin) pay for the rest so it can be equal.

So he wants Dublin to share everything, finances, support, sponsorship and expertise.
While the other counties pay nothing.
That seems to be McKenna's version of GAA equality.
The Dublin brand has to carry the rest.

That's some serious straw-clutching.

gormdubhgorm · 21-09-2018 10:06AM

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Yeah it just isn't working lately with these younger presenters - not saying that's all their fault, just how it is.

Then you listen to him on Dunphy's pod and he's very good IMO, like a completely different person.

I disagree there.
Dunphy covers for him and couches his questions in such a way that Giles would be able to answer them. With the answer buried in the question, or leads him to the answer.
Mix in a few Giles classic phrases/cliches and that's it.

The same tactic a presenter would use when interviewing a young child.
Or the same tactic the presenter on Sky Sports post-match uses with foreign players.

Presenter (Dunphy) :

John, do you think the team is playing well at this time and the victory is important for the team?

Interviewee (Giles):

Yes, the team is playing well and I think the victory is important for the team.

They showed moral courage, took the game on it's merits there.

And they were not afraid to speculate to accumulate.

Get on the ball like they can.

Presenter (Dunphy) :

Thank you John Giles, fantastic insight from a fantastic former player.

Imhof Tank · 21-09-2018 12:46PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Presenter (Dunphy) :

John, do you think the team is playing well at this time and the victory is important for the team?

Interviewee (Giles):

Yes, the team is playing well and I think the victory is important for the team.

They showed moral courage, took the game on it's merits there.

And they were not afraid to speculate to accumulate.

Get on the ball like they can.

Presenter (Dunphy) :

Thank you John Giles, fantastic insight from a fantastic former player.

Have you actually posted a word for word transcript there or just made that up?

gormdubhgorm · 21-09-2018 12:54PM

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Have you actually posted a word for word transcript there or just made that up?

Nope, not word for word.
That was just made up completely, from hearing the same stuff over time.

The fact it seems like a word for word, probably says a lot.

Imhof Tank · 21-09-2018 01:16PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Nope, not word for word.
That was just made up completely, from hearing the same stuff over time.

The fact it seems like a word for word, probably says a lot.

Unfair then.

I could go back and post word for word the piece they did with Brady the other week about the Declan Rice, the background to Giles capping Lawrenson, the key role Kerr used to play in recruitment.

Maybe Dunphy does get the best out of him with leading questions. That's my point really. Think your point is he is just past it yeah?

The OTB guys have a totally different style. They are happiest with nerd on nerd scenarios, interviewing their journalist mates who wouldn't be fit to lace Johnny Giles' boots.

gormdubhgorm · 21-09-2018 02:44PM

I suppose I do think Giles is past it. I would much prefer a recently retired and opinionated former pro.
You make some valid points about otb and thier interviewing style. But they are not footballers.
Eoin Sheehan (for example) was never going to be a commanding midfield presence, he is a bookish type fella.

As for Dunphy's style:
Dunphy should not have to lead Giles by the hand and get him to parrot his own views. It does not make good listening.
In fairness to giles we all have heard his views and stories already.
Name any topic in soccer and I would be able to make a good effort on what Giles would say.

Tell me how · 23-09-2018 09:14AM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Name any topic in soccer and I would be able to make a good effort on what Giles would say.

To be fair, could you not say the same about any analyst?
I mean, you wouldn't get it word for word, but you'd have a fair opinion on their position.

(Except maybe Jamie Redknapp)

gormdubhgorm · 23-09-2018 10:05AM

Tell me how wrote: »

To be fair, could you not say the same about any analyst?
I mean, you wouldn't get it word for word, but you'd have a fair opinion on their position.

(Except maybe Jamie Redknapp)

Yes that might be true in some cases.
But my point is Giles is on a different level of narrowness (opinions/knowledge) when it comes to expressing himself.
As a result questions have to be tailored for him so he can give any kind of interview.

Names of players have to be avoided if possible - Giles can't say them.

Tactical discussions have to be avoided - Giles does not believe in them.

Any discussions beyond the premier league or champions league have to be avoided - Giles does not know much about modern football beyond these teams.
Even though it is easy to research he could not be bothered.
On occasion on the RTE panel he openly said during World Cups/non-British clubs that he does not know anything about the teams.
And jokes were made about it on air!

Giles must only be allowed to discuss generalities at all times -
the dressing room, camaraderie, doing the simple things well, getting on the ball, moral courage etc etc

Dunphy follows all these rules when talking to Giles and guides him along with his leading questions, avoiding all Giles weak interview areas (which is a lot).

So what sort of interview is left it is hardly going to be in-depth?
He is now just venerated because of his age and is a kindly auld lad.
A gent at all times.
But when a soccer fella from a pub could offer more then Giles his time is up.

So when as another poster put it.
The 'journalist nerd' interviews Giles on newstalk it becomes very difficult for them.
As Giles does not make it easy.

What the 'journalist nerd' should do is treat the discussion like with an elderly person in a nursing home, with a strong interest in soccer.
Don't make it too taxing fill in the blanks for them.

gormdubhgorm · 23-09-2018 10:37AM

dr.kenneth noisewater wrote: »

I dont think he wants Dublin to pay themselves, he wants the GAA to distribute the funding more equally to the rest of the country

But that is making Dublin pay for it in a roundabout way.
Who brings in the most funds to Leinster keeping it afloat with crowds etc - Dublin

Mckenna wants even more handed over to other counties.
But it is basically Dublin paying for thier dinner, doing all the leg work, so other counties can be seen to be strong and independent.
It will be keeping other counties artificially afloat

This is the same mentality that Mckenna calls
"The we-share-everything-but-you-pay-for-dinner mentality"

anthonyjmaher · 23-09-2018 10:55AM

They are discussing the Mayo ladies issue on the YouTube channel now. the paper review live.
Sinead O'Carroll is on it though, so be pre warned.

anthonyjmaher · 23-09-2018 10:58AM

Richie thinks the terrible thing about it is that is has all been played out in the media. ffs, who was it that gave Staunton the platform to use the phrases "unsafe" and "player welfare issues"

dr.kenneth noisewater · 23-09-2018 11:24AM

anthonyjmaher wrote:

They are discussing the Mayo ladies issue on the YouTube channel now. the paper review live. Sinead O'Carroll is on it though, so be pre warned.

She was very good on it on Second Captains during the week in fairness

CatFromHue · 23-09-2018 12:02PM

Giles has his faults, I do love when he tells the interviewer he's going to get technical and imply's the interviewer might struggle and then starts talking about tracking back or something, but my God I do love his half hour slot on a Thursday.

anthonyjmaher · 23-09-2018 08:43PM

I see Franno has had a go at the Dublin fans for waving the Palestinian flag this week.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/neil-francis-after-the-atrocities-of-munich-palestinian-flag-should-not-be-flown-at-any-sporting-arena-37345100.html

Haven't heard Gilroy, him who is equally offended by such things, speaking about that. Maybe Franno could come on the show and they could have a flag-off. And then I'll flag off as well.

Raisins · 23-09-2018 08:56PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

But that is making Dublin pay for it in a roundabout way.
Who brings in the most funds to Leinster keeping it afloat with crowds etc - Dublin

Mckenna wants even more handed over to other counties.
But it is basically Dublin paying for thier dinner, doing all the leg work, so other counties can be seen to be strong and independent.
It will be keeping other counties artificially afloat

This is the same mentality that Mckenna calls
"The we-share-everything-but-you-pay-for-dinner mentality"

What are you talking about? Read the facts on the funding and then make stupid parallels.

This topic has been done to death and still Dublin fans are pretending not to understand it. It’s worse than Brexit.

Dublin get a level of games development funding comparable to all the other counties in Leinster combined. This has nothing to do with Dublin commercial revenue or the gate receipts. It’s straight GAA funding that they’re getting at a multiple of other counties, only because the GAA were desperate for a strong Dublin team. It’s mission accomplished and that funding has to stop. There are other arguments about commercial revenue being spread and Croke Park as their home venue but that’s the key point.

Niles Crane · 23-09-2018 09:25PM

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

I see Franno has had a go at the Dublin fans for waving the Palestinian flag this week.

https://www.independent.ie/sport/neil-francis-after-the-atrocities-of-munich-palestinian-flag-should-not-be-flown-at-any-sporting-arena-37345100.html

Haven't heard Gilroy, him who is equally offended by such things, speaking about that. Maybe Franno could come on the show and they could have a flag-off. And then I'll flag off as well.

Such a nonsensical article for a rugby journalist to be writing.

There was loads of rugby on during the last week that he could have wrote about but no he decided to right a piece criticizing people for waving a palestinian flag and then stupidly decided the Munich Terrorist attack of 46 years ago was the main reason they shouldn't be doing it .

Francis has serious delusions of himself being a real deep thinker and every now and then he writes a bull**** article like the one in todays paper.

OldMrBrennan83 · 23-09-2018 09:26PM

Are there not Palestinian flags at most GAA games now? Especially up north.

gormdubhgorm · 23-09-2018 10:21PM

Niles Crane wrote: »

Francis has serious delusions of himself being a real deep thinker and every now and then he writes a bull**** article like the one in todays paper.

Saw that skimmed through it.

It is almost as if he thinks what would an edgy person say?
If I was edgy what would I do?

Then he comes up with stuff that seems to be written in a hurry, and is only thought provoking, if you rarely ventured out of leafy D4.

He did a thing about guns before that went down like a lead balloon as well.
Made no sense.

Does he be talking to Paul Kimmage on his lunch break or something?

Blanco100 · 24-09-2018 01:04PM

Very impressed with their boxing coverage the last few weeks I must say. Aside from Andy Lee they had some other guys on whom I had never heard before and they were very knowledgeable.

Ample opportunity for them to go on a long winded rant of their disapproval of Billy Joe Saunders latest incident but they managed to also discuss all the boxing whilst also rightfully condemning his idiotic stunt.

anthonyjmaher · 24-09-2018 05:23PM

Blanco100 wrote: »

Ample opportunity for them to go on a long winded rant of their disapproval of Billy Joe Saunders latest incident but they managed to also discuss all the boxing whilst also rightfully condemning his idiotic stunt.

Well with Billy Joe it's not a stunt. He does that sort of sh1t all the time. A few months ago he told some poor old guy that if he allowed him to crack six eggs on his head he would give him 100 pounds. Then he goes and cracks five eggs on his head but wont crack the sixth one. Really childish, unfunny, stupid stuff.

He's a very talented guy, but he just lets himself down all the time. I think this one is probably the worst though.

gormdubhgorm · 24-09-2018 05:54PM

Raisins wrote: »

What are you talking about? Read the facts on the funding and then make stupid parallels.

This topic has been done to death and still Dublin fans are pretending not to understand it. It’s worse than Brexit.

Dublin get a level of games development funding comparable to all the other counties in Leinster combined. This has nothing to do with Dublin commercial revenue or the gate receipts. It’s straight GAA funding that they’re getting at a multiple of other counties, only because the GAA were desperate for a strong Dublin team. It’s mission accomplished and that funding has to stop. There are other arguments about commercial revenue being spread and Croke Park as their home venue but that’s the key point.

It is not a stupid parallell at all you just don't want to see it. Dublin are carrying GAA in Ireland as it is. Read gaaconomics by moynihan.

Blanco100 · 24-09-2018 06:31PM

anthonyjmaher wrote: »

Well with Billy Joe it's not a stunt. He does that sort of sh1t all the time. A few months ago he told some poor old guy that if he allowed him to crack six eggs on his head he would give him 100 pounds. Then he goes and cracks five eggs on his head but wont crack the sixth one. Really childish, unfunny, stupid stuff.
1980s

He's a very talented guy, but he just lets himself down all the time. I think this one is probably the worst though.

Im well aware of BJS carry on through the years the lad is a fool, the point I made was that the OTB boxing lads didnt spend the entire show competing to see who was most outraged like ger/joe would.

They dealt with it admirably and moved on with a very good show.

Tell me how · 24-09-2018 07:32PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

It is not a stupid parallell at all you just don't want to see it. Dublin are carrying GAA in Ireland as it is. Read gaaconomics by moynihan.

Yeah, hurling would be f*cked but for them.

gormdubhgorm · 24-09-2018 07:47PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah, hurling would be f*cked but for them.

Hurling was f*cked up until this year.

Tell me how · 24-09-2018 07:52PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Hurling was f*cked up until this year.

Yeah? 4 different winners in 5 years before this year tells a different story.

gormdubhgorm · 24-09-2018 08:43PM

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah? 4 different winners in 5 years before this year tells a different story.

That does not mean it is good shape.
I would argue that is papering over the cracks.

No decent hurling in Connacht = Galway now in Leinster.
Ulster hurling = not much in terms of standard.
The sport of hurling is and always will be Munster hurling with Kilkenny and Galway thrown in.
Very occasionally Wexford and Offaly raise thier head, but disappear again.

There is little interest in the rest of the country, which is why the GAA are/were desperate for Dublin to become a force.
Hurling can hardly be classed a countrywide game.
There are pockets alright.
But mostly it is a lot of noise from the traditional counties, but little elsewhere.

Plus the most damning bit for hurling is the attendances, it is always easy to get a ticket for a hurling match for every game - except the all-ireland final which is generally not the case in football for example.

(Ps apologies mod for going off topic - I appreciate this is an OTB thread)

RugbyLover123 · 24-09-2018 08:55PM

We're the lads really giving odds on the Liam Miller charity match? I haven't been up to date with it. Is the betting proceeds going to Liam Millers family? If not surely, that's a joke

Sono · 25-09-2018 03:40PM

Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with the Boylesports affiliation and their constant mentioning of odds across various sports.

I understand they are sponsored by them but it’s getting ridiculous now.

10 seconds into last nights show and they were discussing anytime goal scorer odds for the Liam miller match today, I mean seriously?

It used to be a great show but the betting angle the show has taken is really turning me off it.

Muscles Schultz · 25-09-2018 03:42PM

Sono wrote: »

Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with the Boylesports affiliation and their constant mentioning of odds across various sports.

I understand they are sponsored by them but it’s getting ridiculous now.

10 seconds into last nights show and they were discussing anytime goal scorer odds for the Liam miller match today, I mean seriously?

It used to be a great show but the betting angle the show has taken is really turning me off it.

There’s an awful pox who comes on talking about whatever sports event slipping in commentary on odds all the time. Any poor lad who has a gambling problem beat steer clear

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