Off The Ball Official Thread <Mod Note - Post #1, #533, #6651>

Jack0125

Sono wrote: »

It used to be a great show but the betting angle the show has taken is really turning me off it.

Agreed. I get there are commercial realities but incessant betting segways.

Gaa hour with paddy power. Its cat.

Quintis

Sono wrote: »

Is it just me or is anyone else getting fed up with the Boylesports affiliation and their constant mentioning of odds across various sports.

I understand they are sponsored by them but it’s getting ridiculous now.

10 seconds into last nights show and they were discussing anytime goal scorer odds for the Liam miller match today, I mean seriously?

It used to be a great show but the betting angle the show has taken is really turning me off it.

Absolutely, I like the racing show and the football betting podcast as quick overview of all the weekend games but it doesn't sit very well with me that they are advertising and promoting gambling which is arguably a bigger issue in sport than doping

gormdubhgorm

Jack0125 wrote: »

Agreed. I get there are commercial realities but incessant betting segways.

Gaa hour with paddy power. Its cat.

i don't bet anymore, partly due to companies shoving it down people throat's every ad break any sports show radio/tv.
I know it is targeted at the young fellas in thier 20s market.
It is a far cry from those dingy betting shops and auld lads in flat caps from years ago.
I am not sure if the target market will realise they are the ones being taken advantage of?
It is so normalised now, with that air of friendliness and fun in the ads.

I can remember an older fella at work (before online betting accounts), we just dd a small accumulator on soccer.
He said he would join the pool, but not put he did not to be seen going into a bookie, so the others had to do it!
(There was a stigma attached to going into a bookies then).

In a way I am glad that people are getting pissed off at all the over the top betting ads on OTB.
This means that betting companies might finally hit a plateau, and people will see through them for what they are again?

sightband

Are there any restrictions on gambling advertising at the moment or is it a free for all? I’ve no interest in gambling but it’s just constantly in your face at the moment everywhere. There are bookies everywhere also. Go into any pub during the day and that at the races shįte is on.

Jack0125

Between OFTAM and the main presenters having presenting interests outside newstalk.

And all the additional shows (nfl..keith andrews...golf weekly) does anyone get the feeling they are spreading the butter/talent a bit thin these times....

Radio Ratings for the evening show must be falling.

djemba djemba

Jack0125 wrote: »

Between OFTAM and the main presenters having presenting interests outside newstalk.

And all the additional shows (nfl..keith andrews...golf weekly) does anyone get the feeling they are spreading the butter/talent a bit thin these times....

Radio Ratings for the evening show must be falling.

I am finding myself listening to game on more recently

redbuck

Jack0125 wrote: »

Between OFTAM and the main presenters having presenting interests outside newstalk.

And all the additional shows (nfl..keith andrews...golf weekly) does anyone get the feeling they are spreading the butter/talent a bit thin these times....

Radio Ratings for the evening show must be falling.

I actually think they went up in the last JNLR.

Tell me how

redbuck wrote: »

I actually think they went up in the last JNLR.

Yes. Up 6,000 year on year apparently.

gormdubhgorm

Tell me how wrote: »

Yes. Up 6,000 year on year apparently.

So that is about one in ten new leaving cert students each year?

Tell me how

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

So that is about one in ten new leaving cert students each year?

Well done. You divided the number of leaving certs in the country by 6,000.

Did you have a point to make while you were doing it?

Faugheen

I'd like to think if a radio show of any kind knew they were going to be getting 1 in 10 Leaving Cert students tuning in every year then they'd be delighted.

gormdubhgorm

Tell me how wrote: »

Well done. You divided the number of leaving certs in the country by 6,000.

Did you have a point to make while you were doing it?

You are very passive aggressive these days.... even by your standards...

The point I was making I thought was implied.... (But obviously I must spell it out for you and tell you how)

My point in simple terms is that the majority of fresh meat (new listeners) that listen to the show do not know any better.
Therefore the majority listen to the show without any critical analysis, and are therefore easily manipulated, betting, presenter agendas and so on.
They do not know how to properly evaluate the information they are hearing.


If you want to me to dumb it down further for you, i could pm you to save you the embarrassment? (Look at that I can do passive aggressive too! )

Tell me how

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

My point in simple terms is that the majority of fresh meat (new listeners) that listen to the show do not know any better.
Therefore the majority listen to the show without any critical analysis, and are therefore easily manipulated, betting, presenter agendas and so on.
They do not know how to properly evaluate the information they are hearing.

Ah, so you've spoken with the 6,000 new listeners and confirmed that they are "fresh meat". I mean, they couldn't possibly be from any other demographic or dare I say it, Game on listeners, GAA Hour listeners or Second Captain listeners who are trying something different.

As for the rest of your post, seriously?

gormdubhgorm

Tell me how wrote: »

Ah, so you've spoken with the 6,000 new listeners and confirmed that they are "fresh meat". I mean, they couldn't possibly be from any other demographic or dare I say it, Game on listeners, GAA Hour listeners or Second Captain listeners who are trying something different.

As for the rest of your post, seriously?

Why did you ask if you implicitly knew my point already?
You are not stupid, but play stupid when it suits.
Is it just another occasion where you drag out a point ad nausem?
And is it not obvious that the new listeners are more likely to come from a younger market?
Or are you going to find fault with that argument as well for the craic, just to be contrary?

Tell me how

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Why did you ask if you knew my point already is it just another occasion where you drag out a point ad nausem?
Is it not obvious that the new listeners are more likely to come from a younger market?
Or are you going to find fault with that argument as well for the craic, just to be contrary?

How in the name of God is it obvious?
All of the posters here who claimed here to have gone elsewhere are therefore new listeners to whatever they now tune in to. Does that mean that they are automatically a younger market.

I know the point you are making. I think you are wrong. But I'll say I agree with you if you want. This is tiring.



Joe Molloy is in his element on the show tonight. At the Ryder Cup for next 3 days. It's like the night before Christmas for him tonight.

gormdubhgorm

Tell me how wrote: »

How in the name of God is it obvious?
All of the posters here who claimed here to have gone elsewhere are therefore new listeners to whatever they now tune in to. Does that mean that they are automatically a younger market.

I know the point you are making. I think you are wrong. But I'll say I agree with you if you want. This is tiring.



Joe Molloy is in his element on the show tonight. At the Ryder Cup for next 3 days. It's like the night before Christmas for him tonight.

I think it is obvious anyway. I am not a marketing person.
But I am sure someone will clarify who the likes of Newstalk target etc, as there is loyalty among older listeners to other platforms and stations.
I assume 18 - 25 is the key target area for them.


Not listening to Newstalk at the mo, not really into the Ryder Cup/Golf but I am sure it is top notch stuff if you are into it - passion, golf nuance, technical issues etc. etc.

Jayesdiem

Tell me how wrote: »

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Why did you ask if you knew my point already is it just another occasion where you drag out a point ad nausem?
Is it not obvious that the new listeners are more likely to come from a younger market?
Or are you going to find fault with that argument as well for the craic, just to be contrary?

How in the name of God is it obvious?
All of the posters here who claimed here to have gone elsewhere are therefore new listeners to whatever they now tune in to. Does that mean that they are automatically a younger market.

I know the point you are making. I think you are wrong. But I'll say I agree with you if you want. This is tiring.



Joe Molloy is in his element on the show tonight. At the Ryder Cup for next 3 days. It's like the night before Christmas for him tonight.

Are you a NT/OTB plant. They seem to do no wrong in your eyes. If they are sh1t, and they are for the most part in my opinion, we can say they are sh1t. That doesn’t seem to sit well with you.

Jayesdiem

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Tell me how wrote: »

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Why did you ask if you knew my point already is it just another occasion where you drag out a point ad nausem?
Is it not obvious that the new listeners are more likely to come from a younger market?
Or are you going to find fault with that argument as well for the craic, just to be contrary?

How in the name of God is it obvious?
All of the posters here who claimed here to have gone elsewhere are therefore new listeners to whatever they now tune in to. Does that mean that they are automatically a younger market.

I know the point you are making. I think you are wrong. But I'll say I agree with you if you want. This is tiring.



Joe Molloy is in his element on the show tonight. At the Ryder Cup for next 3 days. It's like the night before Christmas for him tonight.

Are you a NT/OTB plant. They seem to do no wrong in your eyes. If they are sh1t, and they are for the most part in my opinion, we can say they are sh1t. That doesn’t seem to sit well with you.

That’s to Tell, not Gorm

Tell me how

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Are you a NT/OTB plant. They seem to do no wrong in your eyes. If they are sh1t, and they are for the most part in my opinion, we can say they are sh1t. That doesn’t seem to sit well with you.

Yes. I work for OTB. You figured me out......:cool:

Let's be clear. No, I don't. In any way. I am based on the West Coast. I don't personally know anyone working in OTB. I have no link to the station.

I do not intentionally set out to fight their corner, but I do challenge what I believe to be untrue statements when they are given as fact. I don't challenge people on their right to have an opinion because they are as entitled to as I am but when I think it is purely a subjective opinion stated as fact, I query it.

I do dislike this persistent negative posting indicating the show is a disaster when most of the evidence is that it is still doing well and actually gaining popularity.

Deag4

First time posting. Long time reading. Can we not just all agree that off the ball is **** and has been for over 2 years. Barely able to listen to it these days. All the negative criticism is fact as far as I can see. It's a pity though. It once was very innovative and a must listen. Can't remember the last time I enjoyed it recently

BPKS

Deag4 wrote: »

First time posting. Long time reading. Can we not just all agree that off the ball is **** and has been for over 2 years. Barely able to listen to it these days. All the negative criticism is fact as far as I can see. It's a pity though. It once was very innovative and a must listen. Can't remember the last time I enjoyed it recently

Last time I enjoyed it was when Joe got his knickers in a twist about the Roosters. And I dont mean the potatoes.

Tell me how

Deag4 wrote: »

First time posting. Long time reading. Can we not just all agree that off the ball is **** and has been for over 2 years. Barely able to listen to it these days. All the negative criticism is fact as far as I can see. It's a pity though. It once was very innovative and a must listen. Can't remember the last time I enjoyed it recently

I disagree (surprise surprise). I'm not here to argue with anyone collectively, or individually, but I think it is still the most entertaining sports radio platform in the country. And I include podcasts in that.

There are podcasts producing some entertaining content, there are other sports radio programs but they cannot match OTB in terms of volume and I think the high points of OTB, match the high points of their competitors.

There are some elements of OTB I don't like and also some presenters I am not fond of. I don't complain about these because i think it is largely my subjective opinion which leads me to dislike them. As I've said previously, I get frustrated with persistent negativity and claims the show is **** when the evidence contradicts that.

dxhound2005

Deag4 wrote: »

First time posting. Long time reading. Can we not just all agree that off the ball is **** and has been for over 2 years. Barely able to listen to it these days. All the negative criticism is fact as far as I can see. It's a pity though. It once was very innovative and a must listen. Can't remember the last time I enjoyed it recently

We can't. Not me anyway. My approach is to listen to things I like, and not to listen to things I don't like.

Imhof Tank

Tell me how wrote: »

I get frustrated with persistent negativity and claims the show is **** when the evidence contradicts that.

Sure its all about opinions. There is no "evidence" of anything - and don't start on about JNLR figures in this context please (if you genuinely mean it when you say you're not here to argue).

Tell me how

Imhof Tank wrote: »

Sure its all about opinions. There is no "evidence" of anything - and don't start on about JNLR figures in this context please (if you genuinely mean it when you say you're not here to argue).

Why pray tell?

Others use them to suggest a show is failing...

Have you another metric you'd prefer to use?

Imhof Tank

Tell me how wrote: »

I'm not here to argue with anyone collectively, or individually

.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

sightband

Tell me how wrote: »

Why pray tell?

Others use them to suggest a show is failing...

Have you another metric you'd prefer to use?

I’m in serious doubt of how genuine those figures are. The breakfast show is an absolute car crash with Paul Williams on board. I have genuinely never heard a single person defend his talents...in fact all I have ever heard or read about him is how useless and unlikeable he is, and he is not the type of controversial unlikeable they were, I’m assuming, they thought he would be. He is just a talentless arsehole who seems to even disgust his colleagues...on air. Yet breakfast show figures are also up from when it was quite a good mix with donoghue and yates. Donoghue wanders off into the sunset with some FG job, did Leo hire him? Did he f*ck,

The master and commander of that ship is a very wealthy and disgustingly corrupt person...so, as far as media and JNLR figures go, who knows what’s going on, but I don’t trust those figures.this is a popular forum with some free speech, that free speech on all Newstalk radio shows does not reflect JNLR figures and what I would consider more popular opinion.

Faugheen

sightband wrote: »

I’m in serious doubt of how genuine those figures are. The breakfast show is an absolute car crash with Paul Williams on board. I have genuinely never heard a single person defend his talents...in fact all I have ever heard or read about him is how useless and unlikeable he is, and he is not the type of controversial unlikeable they were, I’m assuming, they thought he would be. He is just a talentless arsehole who seems to even disgust his colleagues...on air. Yet breakfast show figures are also up from when it was quite a good mix with donoghue and yates. Donoghue wanders off into the sunset with some FG job, did Leo hire him? Did he f*ck,

The master and commander of that ship is a very wealthy and disgustingly corrupt person...so, as far as media and JNLR figures go, who knows what’s going on, but I don’t trust those figures.this is a popular forum with some free speech, that free speech on all Newstalk radio shows does not reflect JNLR figures and what I would consider more popular opinion.

But in every thread it’s people who are saying how crap the show is and giving out yards and how they’re not tuning in again and that they’re done with the station...

...then the vast majority are doing the same thing about the same shows two weeks later.

I have my own questions about the JNLRs in how accurate they are from such a small sample size, but people who are giving out about the show on here are the same ones who are still listening.

I mean, take this thread. Same people saying it’s ****e and giving out about Ger and Joe...

...but they’re still listening.

I wouldn’t take negative comments on here as any reflection on what the listenership figures are like at all.

diusmr8a504cvk

Only started listening to OTB lately, was listening to the Friday Football Betting Show on the way home from work tonight and turned it off inside 5 minutes.
I know they're sponsored by Boyles but it was just a huge advert for them, I doubt that particular show would exist otherwise.

Icemancometh

I'm not a huge fan of the current crop of presenters, but still listened fairly regularly, not much else on the radio at that hour anyway. But I've been turned off hugely by the current gambling love-in. I still listen to the live football on Sunday, but other than that I've barely heard anything other than headlines at 7 in weeks.