Sherlock - A game of Werewolf!

Barbara WW wrote: »

Not in a chaotic vote like that. Ifvtegans a wolf then The safest wolf vote is a throwaway there and there’s plenty of noise to hide in. Wolves like to either 1. jump on the mislynch wagon,/vote for a safe wolf, or 2.throwaway vote or vote for a doomed wolf, in roughly that order. Wolves don’t like to have their teammates randomly lynched with no benefit if it can be avoided .

Still waiting for your answer. You’re great at telling me I’m wrong, how about you explain why you’re right?

I don't know if i'm right, but I try not to make wild assumptions and discard other peoples theories because of them.

Ok, I'm back a bit earlier than expected.

#FFA2

Eva - I've referred to this before. Pops in and out, posts fluff to make the post count, promises to be better tomorrow. 2 posts thus far stating 'I'm doing my FFA, trust me' and some theory about the SK. So, clearly reading the thread then, Eva, huh?

Nigel - Their vote on me last night and reasoning... 'Had to vote for someone.' What? Baffling behaviour coupled with inactivity.

Steve - Not letting this go. I felt Steve was trying to pocket Derry yesterday, and when I called him out he vanished again. Might have been hospitalised today, neither Isla nor Steve have confirmed each other like yesterday so could be a ploy.

I will say Holly, Liam, Doris or Isla could all EASILY be on my FFA today. Day 2 and not seen enough from any of them to be comfortable with.
Like Derry and Conor, and I think Gabby said - if there's wolves in the active posters we'll flush them out sooner or later. Better to go for low hanging fruit.

I explained the situation for myself yesterday, that I was basically as good as starting the game fresh, that I had no time to investigate, that I was looking for FFA results before I decided my vote as that was my best hope for Day 1. I put in a placeholder for Wendy during the pill business with the hope of getting back in the evening, but that wasn't to be. If I had have gotten the time to investigate yesterday and do an FFA, this would have been it and so far today those feelings haven't changed today...


Orla...

Orla with the reads lists yesterday afternoon - 'I'm going to post a reads list' was said and responded to so much and for so long before a reads list actually arrived. She kept the village quite focused on these superior reads lists for an afternoon, but on two occasions when a crux in Orla's plan was brought up, she just shrugged it off with a 'Oh yeah, good point, that's that then' response, but still persisted.

That's fine normally with a villager trying something new, but given how much Orla appears to know about the game of WW, these seem likes cruxes she already should have been aware of when singing the praises of read lists to the village. Still though, it kept the village talking about reads lists and FFAs for a whole afternoon, without really talking about suspects to put on those lists. Eventually, a reads list came from Orla which was not worth the hype.

Add that to, Orla flipping between defensive/offensive/affable quite often, the gifs and videos which make both her posts and the thread more difficult for the village to search through, I think she is just a distraction and a waste to the village. Yesterday it was the reads lists, then this morning she says she is putting her vote on Eva again (after being the only one to do so last night). It's not the fact that it is me, it's the fact that a good 12 hours before lynch, before a whole day of events transpire, she's already tunneling on the same villager and stating she will be voting for that person. So many words and ideas from Orla, but still her action just boils down to 'Lynch low poster whose first post I clearly misunderstood'.

Just a waste of the villages time with reads lists on Day 1 of a game, her votes and so many other things. I've seen other players offer imperfect suggestions which bring the village forward, Orla's just bring the village sideways or backwards and then when called on it she chalks it off to 'I'm a deeply flawed individual, emoji'...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108106717&postcount=708

Des...

Post 491 from Des is what initially made me raise an eye-brow. To be outright dismissing the hospital as the work of SK, when the deaths still could happen 'munch to munch', was unnecessarily dismissive at that time and potentially dangerous to the village. Looking to completely rule out SK even though the OP points to SK, and at the same time try to move this onto the wolves, not a village friendly move.

Des wrote:

"Odd, I would not put this as SK at all, he kills between munches.

It could be jeff hope though, using his unique style of killing."

At that time, it was good for the village to keep an open mind. However, looking to rule out the most obvious explanation in favor of an even more unlikely one is suspicious for me.

Also, I didn't like the fact that although Des was not in favor of FFAs, was pushing the reads lists, that he persisted with Liam to provide a third name for Liam's FFA. Could be a villager just a little too eager with every player, or a wolf looking to fuel distraction and throw shade.

Between Des and Orla, I feel there's been a lot of distraction and shade. Sure, one person's 'distraction' could be another person's 'just covering all bases' or 'shaking a few trees', but I feel Orla and Des went beyond just trying to provide the village with options yesterday. There was a whole load of posts in the thread yesterday, but not a proportionate amount of substance, and I feel Des was responsible for that if not as much as Orla.

Abi...

Got the vibe off some of Abi's posts yesterday that she was just providing a summary of posts she had read in the thread or maybe a back room. Whatever it was, it just seemed a convenient way of writing a few paragraphs without actually contributing anything new to the village. This post for example...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108106574&postcount=685

There are points today though when I have felt a bit better about her. Abi is a distant 3rd in my FFAs currently.

FFA#2

1. Orla
2. Des
3. Abi

Reminder of the vote

Katie - Wendy, Gertrude, Brendan, Derry
Wendy - Clodagh, Abigail, Eva
Abigail - Liam, Steve
Brendan - Katie, Isla
Clodagh - Desmond, Tegan
Desmond - Barbara, Doris
Doris - Oisin, Conor
Holly - 2 Penalty Votes
Orla - Nigel, Winifred
Conor - Gabriel
Derry - Riona
Eva - Orla

Did not vote - Holly

Not one person voted Tegan yesterday, so therefore barbara assumes that tegan is a wolf. Makes perfect sense, you know, wagonomics.

Barbara voted me yesterday.

tegan & i voted clodagh. So tegan is dead, so why put up a defense for clodagh, if it'll just be me voting clodagh on me tod.

barbara could be wolf, coming to the defense of a villager, in clodagh, but the reasoning was so rubbish, utter crap, but the motive could be to pocket clodagh.

Eva WW wrote: »

I explained the situation for myself yesterday, that I was basically as good as starting the game fresh, that I had no time to investigate, that I was looking for FFA results before I decided my vote as that was my best hope for Day 1. I put in a placeholder for Wendy during the pill business with the hope of getting back in the evening, but that wasn't to be. If I had have gotten the time to investigate yesterday and do an FFA, this would have been it and so far today those feelings haven't changed today...


Orla...

Orla with the reads lists yesterday afternoon - 'I'm going to post a reads list' was said and responded to so much and for so long before a reads list actually arrived. She kept the village quite focused on these superior reads lists for an afternoon, but on two occasions when a crux in Orla's plan was brought up, she just shrugged it off with a 'Oh yeah, good point, that's that then' response, but still persisted.

That's fine normally with a villager trying something new, but given how much Orla appears to know about the game of WW, these seem likes cruxes she already should have been aware of when singing the praises of read lists to the village. Still though, it kept the village talking about reads lists and FFAs for a whole afternoon, without really talking about suspects to put on those lists. Eventually, a reads list came from Orla which was not worth the hype.

Add that to, Orla flipping between defensive/offensive/affable quite often, the gifs and videos which make both her posts and the thread more difficult for the village to search through, I think she is just a distraction and a waste to the village. Yesterday it was the reads lists, then this morning she says she is putting her vote on Eva again (after being the only one to do so last night). It's not the fact that it is me, it's the fact that a good 12 hours before lynch, before a whole day of events transpire, she's already tunneling on the same villager and stating she will be voting for that person. So many words and ideas from Orla, but still her action just boils down to 'Lynch low poster whose first post I clearly misunderstood'.

Just a waste of the villages time with reads lists on Day 1 of a game, her votes and so many other things. I've seen other players offer imperfect suggestions which bring the village forward, Orla's just bring the village sideways or backwards and then when called on it she chalks it off to 'I'm a deeply flawed individual, emoji'...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108106717&postcount=708

Des...

Post 491 from Des is what initially made me raise an eye-brow. To be outright dismissing the hospital as the work of SK, when the deaths still could happen 'munch to munch', was unnecessarily dismissive at that time and potentially dangerous to the village. Looking to completely rule out SK even though the OP points to SK, and at the same time try to move this onto the wolves, not a village friendly move.



At that time, it was good for the village to keep an open mind. However, looking to rule out the most obvious explanation in favor of an even more unlikely one is suspicious for me.

Also, I didn't like the fact that although Des was not in favor of FFAs, was pushing the reads lists, that he persisted with Liam to provide a third name for Liam's FFA. Could be a villager just a little too eager with every player, or a wolf looking to fuel distraction and throw shade.

Between Des and Orla, I feel there's been a lot of distraction and shade. Sure, one person's 'distraction' could be another person's 'just covering all bases' or 'shaking a few trees', but I feel Orla and Des went beyond just trying to provide the village with options yesterday. There was a whole load of posts in the thread yesterday, but not a proportionate amount of substance, and I feel Des was responsible for that if not as much as Orla.

Abi...

Got the vibe off some of Abi's posts yesterday that she was just providing a summary of posts she had read in the thread or maybe a back room. Whatever it was, it just seemed a convenient way of writing a few paragraphs without actually contributing anything new to the village. This post for example...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108106574&postcount=685

There are points today though when I have felt a bit better about her. Abi is a distant 3rd in my FFAs currently.

FFA#2

1. Orla
2. Des
3. Abi

So, basically - your entire argument against me (and Des, to an extent) boils down to us posting too much. :pac:

Maybe if the likes of yourself, and Nigel, and Steve and all the hidden wolves decided to play the game instead of hiding in the shadows then we wouldn't have to do the bulk of the posting....

Desmond WW wrote: »

Reminder of the vote

Katie - Wendy, Gertrude, Brendan, Derry
Wendy - Clodagh, Abigail, Eva
Abigail - Liam, Steve
Brendan - Katie, Isla
Clodagh - Desmond, Tegan
Desmond - Barbara, Doris
Doris - Oisin, Conor
Holly - 2 Penalty Votes
Orla - Nigel, Winifred
Conor - Gabriel
Derry - Riona
Eva - Orla

Did not vote - Holly

Not one person voted Tegan yesterday, so therefore barbara assumes that tegan is a wolf. Makes perfect sense, you know, wagonomics.

Barbara voted me yesterday.

tegan & i voted clodagh. So tegan is dead, so why put up a defense for clodagh, if it'll just be me voting clodagh on me tod.

barbara could be wolf, coming to the defense of a villager, in clodagh, but the reasoning was so rubbish, utter crap, but the motive could be to pocket clodagh.

So explain clodagh to me? You’re the one who’s pushed her as a wolf? Explain what you’re basing it on? Right now it doesn’t look like you’ve anything and if you’re pushing for a lynch but can’t make a case that’s not a good look

#FFA2.

Isla: Posted this after Tegan was shot:

Isla WW wrote: »

On second thought that makes sense too. I was thinking of him being a traditional vig

. When I read back the thread I couldn't see what her first thought was so I'm thinking that first thought may have taken place in the wolf den.

Brendan: Asking to be healed strikes me as really odd now that we know four players were hospitalised. Question about time limit in the (non) riddle seemed particularly silly.

Eva: Voted for Wendy, low posting mostly about low posting.

Molly is our best bet at the moment. She stays well hidden until needed, maybe if we've hit a large proportion of wolves she could come out as we are heading in the right direction. But i see no need for her to reveal at this stage(just in case there was any doubt)

Still very undecided. In beteeen the bouts of sniping, nothing very concrete.

I would be wary of two players going at each other repeatedly for no apparent or obvious reason to be a wolf ploy.

Orla WW wrote:

You think Clodagh/Riona is an orchestrated fight though? I'm not getting w/w interaction from them. One possibly.

It could be one antagonising the other. I'm on Gertie for the vote right now.

Orla WW wrote: »

Ok, I'm back a bit earlier than expected.

#FFA2

Eva - I've referred to this before. Pops in and out, posts fluff to make the post count, promises to be better tomorrow. 2 posts thus far stating 'I'm doing my FFA, trust me' and some theory about the SK. So, clearly reading the thread then, Eva, huh?

Nigel - Their vote on me last night and reasoning... 'Had to vote for someone.' What? Baffling behaviour coupled with inactivity.

Steve - Not letting this go. I felt Steve was trying to pocket Derry yesterday, and when I called him out he vanished again. Might have been hospitalised today, neither Isla nor Steve have confirmed each other like yesterday so could be a ploy.

I will say Holly, Liam, Doris or Isla could all EASILY be on my FFA today. Day 2 and not seen enough from any of them to be comfortable with.
Like Derry and Conor, and I think Gabby said - if there's wolves in the active posters we'll flush them out sooner or later. Better to go for low hanging fruit.

Haha, what a waste to the village you are.

So far I've been consistent in what I've said...

Said yesterday that I was strung up in RL so far in the game and would be looking to make my 5 posts as priority yesterday to avoid modkill even it was fluff. I did that, while at the same time providing some info to the village on low posters which is usually considered useful info in a game. Isla says I conveniently left myself out of that post, that is untrue Isla, I very much included myself in the list.

I said yesterday that I'd hopefully get into the game more by today. Last night post-midnight, I made a post about the Seer's death sentence which as it turns out, was a good shout. That's getting into the game more, as are my contributions so far this afternoon. In the meantime though, there are Trump gifs and other pointless media fluffing the place up on Day 2, but I'm the one who is fluffy.

LOL at you spinning my post about me making an FFA soon, Spinny f**kin Hendrix :pac: - I said I was doing my FFA as much as you said you'd be back at 5pm with one. And you're using that against me? Just LOL, really.

Keeping an eye on low posters is one thing in a game (I even said that in my 'fluff' yesterday), but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that some of a game's highest posters contribute very little and can be even more useless or dangerous to the village than low posters. Case in point, Orla.

Anyone in the village who has to make a decision on me - read back through my posts, there aren't many of them so it won't take you long. Just don't let someone else's spun, paraphrased version of them be your account while making a decision.

Gabriel WW wrote: »

Riona - 1. constant referral back to vig revealing. Nothing inherrantly wrong with that, 2. except she wouldn't let it go and kept going back to it. In addition her cock up with Derry being in hospital didn't seem genuine to me. Felt a bit staged to portray her as the derpy villager. That post asking Derry why he didn't attempt the puzzle; now she has a point, but that post looks incredibly pot stirring and preprepared. It leaves a good few suspicions on a good few people and deflects attention from riona. Also didn't attempt because you are bad at riddles? No no no. I say you didn't attempt because a wolf buddy told you not to.

Clodagh - sitting back and letting things happen. Pokes issues but won't raise them initially. Typical wolf seeing which way the wind is blowing. 3. Repeats this when she rebutts riona this afternoon. 4. Post 1385. Look how neutral and mitigated that post is. She is accusing riona without actually saying it. Trying to look reasonable and fair despite trying to set riona up (could be bussing). Subtle steering of village agogo.

Gertie - adding nothing of value. Watching the game like a hawk though. Following everything but starting nothing. Wolf.

#FFA2
Gertie
Clodagh
Riona

Let break this down as simple as possible.

1. Everybody can see me responding to Clodagh, it wasn't that I wouldn't move on . .
2. Everybody can see me responding to Clodagh, it wasn't that I wouldn't move on . .
3. You are highlighting that I respond to Clodagh, it wasn't that I wouldn't move on . . .
4. You are highlighting that I respond to Clodagh., it wasn't that I wouldn't move on . .

So most of the reasoning of your argument against me is because I was defensive and wouldn't let things go . .

And some of your reasons for Clodagh are because she kept probing me. So Clodagh probes me to look village and I respond which implies I wouldn't move on . .

This reminds me of Brendan Dassey and steven Avery getting convicted for the exact same crime but the prosecution painted two completely contradicting different pictures of events.

With regards to the rest of your fluffy stuff about me trying to look village by posting something you admit is a decent question is at best a bit thin . . Wafer thin. . Like ice cream wafer thin . .

Yep, clear as mud that . . Very logical reasoning . .

Eva WW wrote: »

Haha, what a waste to the village you are.

I'm a waste, says the fluff pot? :pac:

Eva WW wrote: »

I said yesterday that I'd hopefully get into the game more by today. Last night post-midnight, I made a post about the Seer's death sentence

Called it before the lynch last night.... WAY ahead of you. So thanks for trying to take credit for me mentioning it

Eva WW wrote: »

LOL at you spinning my post about me making an FFA soon, Spinny f**kin Hendrix :pac: - I said I was doing my FFA as much as you said you'd be back at 5pm with one. And you're using that against me? Just LOL, really.

You took 3 hours to do your FFA, and it basically comes to me and Des high posting, and half a point about Abi. *Claps slowly*

Eva WW wrote: »

Keeping an eye on low posters is one thing in a game (I even said that in my 'fluff' yesterday), but we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that some of a game's highest posters contribute very little and can be even more useless or dangerous to the village than low posters. Case in point, Orla.

Anyone in the village who has to make a decision on me - read back through my posts, there aren't many of them so it won't take you long. Just don't let someone else's spun, paraphrased version of them be your account while making a decision.

I've made my decision already, you're a wolf or dead weight to the village with promises of 'Oh I'll be back later'

Eva WW wrote: »

Morning all.

Bit more free today so will have an actual FFA with reasoning on the way soon.

Eva WW wrote: »

I haven't disappeared btw, I'm doing an FFA in my notes here. But just want to throw something in while I'm doing that; I think the SK can hospitalise himself as part of his cover.

Those who are being hospitalised, we aren't ruling them out as wolves. Good. I don't think we should rule them out of being SK either.

If SK can't hospitalise himself and his power gets to run for 5+ days, eventually he narrows down the pool of SK suspects. I just can't see that happening.

Eva WW wrote: »

I explained the situation for myself yesterday, that I was basically as good as starting the game fresh, that I had no time to investigate, that I was looking for FFA results before I decided my vote as that was my best hope for Day 1. I put in a placeholder for Wendy during the pill business with the hope of getting back in the evening, but that wasn't to be. If I had have gotten the time to investigate yesterday and do an FFA, this would have been it and so far today those feelings haven't changed today...


Orla...

Orla with the reads lists yesterday afternoon - 'I'm going to post a reads list' was said and responded to so much and for so long before a reads list actually arrived. She kept the village quite focused on these superior reads lists for an afternoon, but on two occasions when a crux in Orla's plan was brought up, she just shrugged it off with a 'Oh yeah, good point, that's that then' response, but still persisted.

That's fine normally with a villager trying something new, but given how much Orla appears to know about the game of WW, these seem likes cruxes she already should have been aware of when singing the praises of read lists to the village. Still though, it kept the village talking about reads lists and FFAs for a whole afternoon, without really talking about suspects to put on those lists. Eventually, a reads list came from Orla which was not worth the hype.

Add that to, Orla flipping between defensive/offensive/affable quite often, the gifs and videos which make both her posts and the thread more difficult for the village to search through, I think she is just a distraction and a waste to the village. Yesterday it was the reads lists, then this morning she says she is putting her vote on Eva again (after being the only one to do so last night). It's not the fact that it is me, it's the fact that a good 12 hours before lynch, before a whole day of events transpire, she's already tunneling on the same villager and stating she will be voting for that person. So many words and ideas from Orla, but still her action just boils down to 'Lynch low poster whose first post I clearly misunderstood'.

Just a waste of the villages time with reads lists on Day 1 of a game, her votes and so many other things. I've seen other players offer imperfect suggestions which bring the village forward, Orla's just bring the village sideways or backwards and then when called on it she chalks it off to 'I'm a deeply flawed individual, emoji'...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108106717&postcount=708

Des...

Post 491 from Des is what initially made me raise an eye-brow. To be outright dismissing the hospital as the work of SK, when the deaths still could happen 'munch to munch', was unnecessarily dismissive at that time and potentially dangerous to the village. Looking to completely rule out SK even though the OP points to SK, and at the same time try to move this onto the wolves, not a village friendly move.



At that time, it was good for the village to keep an open mind. However, looking to rule out the most obvious explanation in favor of an even more unlikely one is suspicious for me.

Also, I didn't like the fact that although Des was not in favor of FFAs, was pushing the reads lists, that he persisted with Liam to provide a third name for Liam's FFA. Could be a villager just a little too eager with every player, or a wolf looking to fuel distraction and throw shade.

Between Des and Orla, I feel there's been a lot of distraction and shade. Sure, one person's 'distraction' could be another person's 'just covering all bases' or 'shaking a few trees', but I feel Orla and Des went beyond just trying to provide the village with options yesterday. There was a whole load of posts in the thread yesterday, but not a proportionate amount of substance, and I feel Des was responsible for that if not as much as Orla.

Abi...

Got the vibe off some of Abi's posts yesterday that she was just providing a summary of posts she had read in the thread or maybe a back room. Whatever it was, it just seemed a convenient way of writing a few paragraphs without actually contributing anything new to the village. This post for example...

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=108106574&postcount=685

There are points today though when I have felt a bit better about her. Abi is a distant 3rd in my FFAs currently.

FFA#2

1. Orla
2. Des
3. Abi

Apologies Eva, better get my facts straight.... 1.5hrs and that's the best you can come up with :pac:

First post saying 'Good Morning' at 15.24 :pac:

Posts FFA at 5pm.

That is some solid, solid work.

Desmond WW wrote: »

a) Clodagh is alive and available to be talked to, ask her what you want to know.

b) You are making tuff up now. I voted her in yesterdays lynch, that's hardly pushing her as a wolf. I said that IMO she was not teamed with Gabriel.

c) I'm not explaining your made up stuff!

d) d is not a question, but your junk statement.

This isn’t about what clodaghs thinking it’s about what you’re thinking. Stop deflecting.