Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

Audioslaven · 13-09-2018 02:08PM

yop wrote: »

Afraid its looking v much like that. And her county and club have suffered for it.

Bigger clowns for not questioning this... pure sheep!

charolais0153 · 13-09-2018 02:11PM

In my mind, cora and carnacon were wrong but i think that in time to come she will still be remembered as a legend in ladies football. Similiar to zidane who arguably cost france the world cup she should be remembered for the good things that defined her and not the bad....a woman who has put her life on hold for the lat 20 odd years deserves some respect even if her reputation should be tainted

benji79 · 13-09-2018 02:23PM

It was the words used that were scandalous really.

I think it was mentioned that one of management is a teacher. They can’t for example be associated with the word ‘unsafe ‘ given their profession. That’s really damaging to be putting that out there

djPSB · 13-09-2018 03:48PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

In my mind, cora and carnacon were wrong but i think that in time to come she will still be remembered as a legend in ladies football. Similiar to zidane who arguably cost france the world cup she should be remembered for the good things that defined her and not the bad....a woman who has put her life on hold for the lat 20 odd years deserves some respect even if her reputation should be tainted

She was in the same League as Mort and Mac. Who's Mayo careers also had their share of controversy. A Mayo legend.

Green&Red · 13-09-2018 05:23PM

I wouldn’t agree Leahy held his tongue

He quiet clearly said it was two ladies and the rest followed and I think it’s clear it’s Cora and Fiona McHale he was talking about.

What he did do very well (over a good hour) was refuse to call them liars, drag the free taking situation into the dirt or basically lose the cool, while at the same time leaving no doubts . I was very impressed

Don’t know where Cora goes from here. I’d be interested to see what Ger Gilroy thinks now

mrbrianj · 13-09-2018 05:24PM

benji79 wrote: »

It was the words used that were scandalous really.

I think it was mentioned that one of management is a teacher. They can’t for example be associated with the word ‘unsafe ‘ given their profession. That’s really damaging to be putting that out there

Remember this is framed by the fact the every club in the country had to take part in Safegaurding courses in the last 12 months. Unforgivable to lay this at somebodies door.

Audioslaven · 13-09-2018 05:27PM

djPSB wrote: »

She was in the same League as Mort and Mac. Who's Mayo careers also had their share of controversy. A Mayo legend.

Big difference - MacDonald didn't go bitching like a child. McDonald was pure class as well. Mort and Cora are not in his league

TCDStudent1 · 13-09-2018 08:06PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Big difference - MacDonald didn't go bitching like a child. McDonald was pure class as well. Mort and Cora are not in his league

McDonald exuded class in his interview with Second Captains. Probably one of my all time favourite sports interviews.

seligehgit · 13-09-2018 08:31PM

Audioslaven wrote: »

Big difference - MacDonald didn't go bitching like a child. McDonald was pure class as well. Mort and Cora are not in his league

Ciaran McDonald doesn't bare comparing with the Mort,different class.

His interview on the Second Captains was one of the best.

I suppose it was because of his reluctance to engage greatly with the media.A most wonderful talent but very shy and modest of character.

I'd equally be intrigued to see Cluxton do a similar type of interview when he hopefully hangs up the boots next week.:pac:

However irrespective of the role played by Cora in this fiasco she is in my opinion the greatest lady footballer of all time,lots of bias thrown in.:)

Happyilylost · 13-09-2018 09:10PM

djPSB wrote:

They could be for defamation if they can't back up their 'safety and welfare' claims.

People including the manager seem to me making a massive issue with this safety and welfare thing. I don't see it. If the players that left felt the situation was toxic and could not be resolved was this not a welfare issue? People instantly think it means they players life's were in danger. I took it as we were unhappy, why stay something that makes us unhappy? After the management team had these one on one meetings it was clears the situation had gone toxic. Tried to resolve it before a training session. Took the whole session. Didn't work. So maybe these players felt this was an unhealthy environment. Sounds like a welfare issue, just not in the terms most people seem to take it. If the all stayed training and it ended in a mass brawl at training and they boxing the heads off each other then it certainly would be a welfare issue!!!

One last point. And this has nothing to do with Cora or whoever was told they were going to be an impact sub. But. That is the stupidest thing a coach/manager could ever say to a player. From senior to Junior Z. No player worth their salt would ever ever accept such bulls**t. It happens. But a player will never accept it. And shouldn't be told it. It's one way to De motivate a player. If the player isn't able for it it will be shown in training or matches. If a player pre accepts this condition they shouldn't be playing.

Fann Linn · 13-09-2018 10:16PM

Happyilylost wrote: »

People including the manager seem to me making a massive issue with this safety and welfare thing. I don't see it. If the players that left felt the situation was toxic and could not be resolved was this not a welfare issue? People instantly think it means they players life's were in danger. I took it as we were unhappy, why stay something that makes us unhappy? After the management team had these one on one meetings it was clears the situation had gone toxic. Tried to resolve it before a training session. Took the whole session. Didn't work. So maybe these players felt this was an unhealthy environment. Sounds like a welfare issue, just not in the terms most people seem to take it. If the all stayed training and it ended in a mass brawl at training and they boxing the heads off each other then it certainly would be a welfare issue!!!

One last point. And this has nothing to do with Cora or whoever was told they were going to be an impact sub. But. That is the stupidest thing a coach/manager could ever say to a player. From senior to Junior Z. No player worth their salt would ever ever accept such bulls**t. It happens. But a player will never accept it. And shouldn't be told it. It's one way to De motivate a player. If the player isn't able for it it will be shown in training or matches. If a player pre accepts this condition they shouldn't be playing.

Its not just 'welfare' however. Didn't Cora and her rebels also say it was 'unsafe?'. It's up to them now to fully expain.

Audioslaven · 13-09-2018 10:27PM

seligehgit wrote: »

However irrespective of the role played by Cora in this fiasco she is in my opinion the greatest lady footballer of all time,lots of bias thrown in.:)

Fair enough and you can probably add the greatest ego to that as well.

However, I would not be holding that title up as a model for kids to look up to. It really is terrible the way this has turned out.

djPSB · 14-09-2018 12:14AM

Happyilylost wrote: »

People including the manager seem to me making a massive issue with this safety and welfare thing. I don't see it. If the players that left felt the situation was toxic and could not be resolved was this not a welfare issue? People instantly think it means they players life's were in danger. I took it as we were unhappy, why stay something that makes us unhappy? After the management team had these one on one meetings it was clears the situation had gone toxic. Tried to resolve it before a training session. Took the whole session. Didn't work. So maybe these players felt this was an unhealthy environment. Sounds like a welfare issue, just not in the terms most people seem to take it. If the all stayed training and it ended in a mass brawl at training and they boxing the heads off each other then it certainly would be a welfare issue!!!

One last point. And this has nothing to do with Cora or whoever was told they were going to be an impact sub. But. That is the stupidest thing a coach/manager could ever say to a player. From senior to Junior Z. No player worth their salt would ever ever accept such bulls**t. It happens. But a player will never accept it. And shouldn't be told it. It's one way to De motivate a player. If the player isn't able for it it will be shown in training or matches. If a player pre accepts this condition they shouldn't be playing.

To say the environment was not 'safe' was wrong and slanderous.

That insinuates that there was a threat to their physical safety. Which by all accounts was completely off the mark.

Green&Red · 14-09-2018 12:25AM

Telling Cora they saw her as an impact sub is the sugar coated version of saying you’re dropped - which every manager has to have with some players

BKWDR · 14-09-2018 12:47AM

djPSB wrote: »

To say the environment was not 'safe' was wrong and slanderous.

That insinuates that there was a threat to their physical safety. Which by all accounts was completely off the mark.

I agree. Player welfare issues could be anything from having to pay for their bus to no hot water in showers to anything. She kept on saying it wasn't a safe environment which in the context you could lead to think something far more sinister. She's really damaged her legacy I feel. It could effect her young media career too

Check out @offtheball’;s Tweet: https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1037319773212815360?s=09

sightband · 14-09-2018 08:21AM

BKWDR wrote: »

It could effect her young media career too

here's hoping, because is an absolute pain in the hole to listen to [snip]

big_drive · 14-09-2018 10:27AM

I'll be honest, when i heard the word 'unsafe' straight away i jumped to the conclusion that the manager or one of the management had done something highly inappropriate. A lot more serious than just being left off a team. The wording they used was so damaging

Happyilylost · 14-09-2018 11:22AM

djPSB wrote:

To say the environment was not 'safe' was wrong and slanderous.

I'm 100% in agreement with you the way it was phrased was wrong. I guess I'm saying it's meaning is open to massive interpretation. If one of the player that walked away was asked what was unsafe and the person said "well we fell out with a few of the girls and I was worried the next time I was at training they would target me and my personal safety was at risk" could anyone really argue with a statement like that? Even with how untrue it probably is. The word has plenty of scope. But when a person hears it no more than myself they normally think of the nuclear option.

ProudDUB · 14-09-2018 12:23PM

Happyilylost wrote: »

I'm 100% in agreement with you the way it was phrased was wrong. I guess I'm saying it's meaning is open to massive interpretation. If one of the player that walked away was asked what was unsafe and the person said "well we fell out with a few of the girls and I was worried the next time I was at training they would target me and my personal safety was at risk" could anyone really argue with a statement like that? Even with how untrue it probably is. The word has plenty of scope. But when a person hears it no more than myself they normally think of the nuclear option.

What?

She thinks the other girls are going to take her out behind the changing rooms and beat her up? The normal rough and tumble of A v B games and regular training sessions will be replaced by something out of a Conor McGregor fight...and she is so fearful of her safety, her ability to take care of herself will magically disappear out the window?

Come on now ! :rolleyes:

Happyilylost · 14-09-2018 12:40PM

ProudDUB wrote:

What?

ProudDUB wrote:

She thinks the other girls are going to take her out behind the changing rooms and beat her up? The normal rough and tumble of A v B games and regular training sessions will be replaced by something out of a Conor McGregor fight...and she is so fearful of her safety, her ability to take care of herself will magically disappear out the window?

ProudDUB wrote:

Come on now !

I was trying to use the most basic and obviously most over the top example of how a player could explain why the word "unsafe" was used. It doesn't have to be that the manager was running the players through a maze of swords for the word to be used. The word unsafe means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

ThunbergsAreGo · 14-09-2018 01:24PM

Happyilylost wrote: »

I was trying to use the most basic and obviously most over the top example of how a player could explain why the word "unsafe" was used. It doesn't have to be that the manager was running the players through a maze of swords for the word to be used. The word unsafe means a lot of different things to a lot of different people.

I think she knew exactly what she was doing using vague PC buzzwords like "unsafe"

I am delighted she got called on it, the GAA Hour interview was very impressive and well handled from a political perspective

Call me Al · 14-09-2018 01:41PM

Green&Red wrote: »

Telling Cora they saw her as an impact sub is the sugar coated version of saying you’re dropped - which every manager has to have with some players

And as such she had nothing to lose.
But the rest of the Carnacon footballers.. can they say the same?
These foolish ladies have thrown it all away for a player who was amongst the senior days of her footballing career.

PARlance · 14-09-2018 02:13PM

naughtb4 wrote: »

I think she knew exactly what she was doing using vague PC buzzwords like "unsafe"

I am delighted she got called on it, the GAA Hour interview was very impressive and well handled from a political perspective

#metoo

ProudDUB · 14-09-2018 02:18PM

Colm Parkinson just tweeted that Off The Ball rang Leahy to apologize for the comments they made about him on air.

Wonder did they do that out of the goodness of their hearts, or did the Newstalk Legal Eagles have a word in their shell like...

benji79 · 14-09-2018 02:39PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Colm Parkinson just tweeted that Off The Ball rang Leahy to apologize for the comments they made about him on air.

Wonder did they do that out of the goodness of their hearts, or did the Newstalk Legal Eagles have a word in their shell like...

Maybe a bit of both. But I’d say most people are realising in the past couple of days the real story and are covering themselves.

Green&Red · 14-09-2018 02:46PM

Theres a lot of talk of slander and lawsuits here, which to me sounds like absolute nonsense

As Happilylost said "not safe" could mean anything, literally anything. She's also not named anyone so I'm not sure who the slander is against, maybe the county board but thats a massive stretch

What has happened is she's been called out on apparent absolute nonsense but also f**ked up womens football in Mayo for a long time. For enough herself and FM will retire but very hard for the other 6 to come back while Leahy is there and its hard to expect him to step down for doing absolutely nothing wrong only to stand up to a cliche within the group

No winners here, Leahy will limp on next year so as not to be leaving the remainder of the group, they'll find it very hard to do well without 5-6 starters (which team wouldn't?)

Its a ****ing mess

muddle84 · 14-09-2018 02:53PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Colm Parkinson just tweeted that Off The Ball rang Leahy to apologize for the comments they made about him on air.

Wonder did they do that out of the goodness of their hearts, or did the Newstalk Legal Eagles have a word in their shell like...

Either way they toke one side very quickly and handled the whole thing very badly!

jj72 · 14-09-2018 03:21PM

Green&Red wrote: »

Theres a lot of talk of slander and lawsuits here, which to me sounds like absolute nonsense

As Happilylost said "not safe" could mean anything, literally anything. She's also not named anyone so I'm not sure who the slander is against, maybe the county board but thats a massive stretch

What has happened is she's been called out on apparent absolute nonsense but also f**ked up womens football in Mayo for a long time. For enough herself and FM will retire but very hard for the other 6 to come back while Leahy is there and its hard to expect him to step down for doing absolutely nothing wrong only to stand up to a cliche within the group

No winners here, Leahy will limp on next year so as not to be leaving the remainder of the group, they'll find it very hard to do well without 5-6 starters (which team wouldn't?)

Its a ****ing mess

Do yo u think FM is the second player that has the issue? I had heard a different name

ProudDUB · 14-09-2018 04:10PM

Green&Red wrote: »

Theres a lot of talk of slander and lawsuits here, which to me sounds like absolute nonsense

As Happilylost said "not safe" could mean anything, literally anything. She's also not named anyone so I'm not sure who the slander is against, maybe the county board but thats a massive stretch

What has happened is she's been called out on apparent absolute nonsense but also f**ked up womens football in Mayo for a long time. For enough herself and FM will retire but very hard for the other 6 to come back while Leahy is there and its hard to expect him to step down for doing absolutely nothing wrong only to stand up to a cliche within the group

No winners here, Leahy will limp on next year so as not to be leaving the remainder of the group, they'll find it very hard to do well without 5-6 starters (which team wouldn't?)

Its a ****ing mess

Are you a solicitor? Is your speciality slander/libel/defamation?

Unless you are & it is, you are not really in a position to judge what is or is not absolute nonsense. With all due respect, no offense intended, implied or inferred etc etc.

Considering the massive amounts of crap spouted on Newstalk on a daily basis, you don't often hear of them apologising for any of it. So when they do come down out of their ivory towers & admit they aren't always right, you'd think there has to be something of substance behind it, no?

DoraDelite · 14-09-2018 04:35PM

jj72 wrote: »

Do yo u think FM is the second player that has the issue? I had heard a different name

MC is the second player AFAIK.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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