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wrangler · 07-09-2018 09:43AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

You cannot understand the points I made you are again gone off on a complete tangent. My point was and I do not have much time for unions any longer but there insistence on looking for a rise in the minimum wage(90% of the workers who are not unionized) forces all wages above it up in an economy and put a floor under wages in a recession.

When an organisation lobbies only for certain sections in it organisation and will not look at leading its membership it will fails to lift all boats.

There's committees with Reps from every county for every sector, the effectiveness of every commitee is decided by the calibre of its members.
Every commitee decides its own policy and lobbies on it, I can't see how you can do it any different.
Can't blame the organisation if some Reps work harder than others, I can't stress this strong enough,, leaving someone else to do the work is not an option.
I don't know if you're implying that a minimum price for produce should be negotiated,
From the experience of negotiating a price in the beef protests of 2000, price was only agreed a few weeks when farmers folded under pressure from the factories....another waste of time, do you think a processor would honour a minimum price agreement.
Farmers as a unit will have to show some backbone to pull off what you're hoping for.

White Clover · 07-09-2018 09:43AM

Muckit wrote: »

€3.90 heifers kepak Athleague

40c of a drop since June, at least €140/ head on your type of stock muckit. It's very disheartening and the price is unlikely to rise anytime soon.

wrangler · 07-09-2018 09:49AM

White Clover wrote: »

40c of a drop since June, at least €140/ head on your type of stock muckit. It's very disheartening and the price is unlikely to rise anytime soon.

Like the lamb processors, they have to encourage lads that put the effort into having stock ready early in the year, no one would feed for june if the price was the same in september

Bass Reeves · 07-09-2018 10:52AM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Perception and reality are 2 different things. Graph showing Irish R3 Steer prices versus European average for R3 bulls, over the last 2 years.
Source - Bord Bia.

Muckit wrote: »

Are they comparing apples and oranges there? Why aren't they comparing irish bulls v european bulls u16mths on the grid?

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Not them, me. I made the graph as it pops up as a suggestion.
Here we go again. All bulls, this time.

Majority of cattle that are slaughtered in Ireland are slaughtered as steers. Processors look for steers as opposed to bulls. Earlier this summer processors attempted to take(and managed in some cases ) to take U16 bulls off the grid and flat priced them. Because of the Irish grading system which most finishers have little confidence in( as there is no checking the integrity of it)so as Muckit says it is comparing apples and oranges.

16-24 month bulls are bought off the grid with no QA even though QA is a requirement. A U=3- bull last week would have made 4/kg( and about 20c/kg if farm not QA) if he was paid on the grid he have made 4.15/kg. So it is apples and orangers. Processosr really only want U16 month bulls from April to late June and even then they are only a fraction of the kill. When you look at the weekly kill all bulls u24 months are counted as young bulls. Last week young bulls made up 7% of the kill I imagine that only a fraction of them were U16 months.

Nobody know for sure but only a fraction of the cattle fall into the QA scheme with cows, bulls over 16 months, cattle 2= FS and below on the grid as well as 4+ and above and lower grading cattle. As well there are hidden cuts such as the gap between R- grade and O+ grade. An O= bullock at the moment will only make 3.6/kg and if he is fed into 4= or fell into 2+FS, he will make 3.55/kg. Before grading machines most AA cattle graded R and a lot of HE cattle as well. Friesian above 350kgs were always O grade cattle. Now most of the FR are ''P''s. The AA and HE are starting to fall into O-.

Mooooo · 07-09-2018 10:56AM

What ever about anything else qa is simply farmers paying for processors marketing

Muckit · 07-09-2018 12:35PM

White Clover wrote: »

40c of a drop since June, at least €140/ head on your type of stock muckit. It's very disheartening and the price is unlikely to rise anytime soon.

I always have a batch of heifers ready for June. But the reality of a grass based system is that this time of the year is when most cattle will be killed.

I had heifers killed this morning. If l can "brag" a little, they were a sight. I was proud out dropping them off the ramp and running them down the factory lairage alleyway and they woddling like ducks. Well fleshed but not over.

I know l do them well and that's what l take my satisfaction from anymore. On the killsheet I rarely disagree wirh the grade column, the money column is a different matter entirely!!

Bass Reeves · 07-09-2018 12:47PM

Muckit wrote: »

I always have a batch of heifers ready for June. But the reality of a grass based system is that this time of the year is when most cattle will be killed.

I had heifers killed this morning. If l can "brag" a little, they were a sight. I was proud out dropping them off the ramp and running them down the factory lairage alleyway and they woddling like ducks. Well fleshed but not over.

I know l do them well and that's what l take my satisfaction from anymore. On the killsheet I rarely disagree wirh the grade column, the money column is a different matter entirely!!

with suckler grade cattle there is little to be made or lost in the grade column. There is only two payments in the R grade and there is no cuts for 4= or 2+ FS. In the O grade there is a cut for the 2+ accross all the grade and for 4+ at two section of the grade. And you fall off the QA at O-. An O-4= bullock will be 30c/KG below the base yet he is only 3 section of a grade below the base.

gerryirl · 10-09-2018 06:46PM

anyone get any price this week

whelan2 · 10-09-2018 06:53PM

gerryirl wrote: »

anyone get any price this week

3.90 dropping to 3.85 next week. Spent the morning in a lorry with a factory agent. He also told me a lad arrived with 16 cows to the factory last week that weren't booked in and he was sent home....

Muckit · 10-09-2018 08:44PM

whelan2 wrote: »

3.90 dropping to 3.85 next week. Spent the morning in a lorry with a factory agent. He also told me a lad arrived with 16 cows to the factory last week that weren't booked in and he was sent home....

I would've thought it'd be a given that cattle would need to be booked in?

whelan2 · 10-09-2018 08:46PM

Muckit wrote: »

I would've thought it'd be a given that cattle would need to be booked in?

Aye but some people think they are above booking them in

Willfarman · 10-09-2018 10:10PM

3.80 is as good as I can get. Booked in since last week.

gerryirl · 10-09-2018 10:39PM

Willfarman wrote: »

3.80 is as good as I can get. Booked in since last week.

ya thats what Im hearing too. Christ its sh1te in fairness

CloughCasey1 · 11-09-2018 07:23AM

gerryirl wrote: »

Willfarman wrote: »

3.80 is as good as I can get. Booked in since last week.

ya thats what Im hearing too. Christ its sh1te in fairness

3.75 next week im hearing.

Willfarman · 11-09-2018 07:35AM

Buying cattle from farmers to sell to Larry isn’t working for me anyway!!

Bass Reeves · 11-09-2018 08:25AM

Willfarman wrote: »

Buying cattle from farmers to sell to Larry isn’t working for me anyway!!

Forward stores over 450-500kgs are too expensive when you look at present finishing costs

Reggie. · 11-09-2018 08:26AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Forward stores over 450-500kgs are too expensive when you look at present finishing costs

At what weight would a bullock be considered finished

Willfarman · 11-09-2018 08:42AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Forward stores over 450-500kgs are too expensive when you look at present finishing costs

Between last winter and summer here bullocks have eaten half a tone of meal. And silage in every month bar this one and June. A bad beef price and extortionate stores is no help either.. I need an extortionate beef price and cheap stores..

Bass Reeves · 11-09-2018 08:45AM

Reggie. wrote: »

At what weight would a bullock be considered finished

Most lads would bee feeding them to the 650kg LW at least. Most finishers generally feed for 70 days minimum to avail of QA bonus and not get penalized for non QA cattle. However it is FS and not weight that counts. You want cattle to be minimum 3- FS. I have killed Friesian as low as 260/270 kgs at that FS.

dryan · 11-09-2018 08:46AM

Moved a few to kilbeggan this morning at 3.80.
If i waited till tomorrow, back to 3.75.

patsy_mccabe · 11-09-2018 09:35AM

Is there any device out there that measures fat score, something like an ultrasound or similar? By this I mean measure before the animal is slaughtered. Would take a lot of guesswork out of it.

Dickie10 · 11-09-2018 09:39AM

i suppose they will keep on cutting the price as long as they keep getting the cattle.

Reggie. · 11-09-2018 10:02AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Most lads would bee feeding them to the 650kg LW at least. Most finishers generally feed for 70 days minimum to avail of QA bonus and not get penalized for non QA cattle. However it is FS and not weight that counts. You want cattle to be minimum 3- FS. I have killed Friesian as low as 260/270 kgs at that FS.

Few bullocks here in the 500kg to 550kg weight range. Never killed to factory and just wondering which would be the best option. All Feb 17 cattle. Will hold for another 3 or 4 weeks yet I think. Advice? Mart or factory?

Burning Tires · 11-09-2018 12:20PM

Reggie. wrote: »

Few bullocks here in the 500kg to 550kg weight range. Never killed to factory and just wondering which would be the best option. All Feb 17 cattle. Will hold for another 3 or 4 weeks yet I think. Advice? Mart or factory?

At that weight. Mart all day long.

Reggie. · 11-09-2018 01:07PM

Burning Tires wrote: »

At that weight. Mart all day long.

Cheers. Usually do that but with this year I was conflicted

Muckit · 11-09-2018 01:38PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Is there any device out there that measures fat score, something like an ultrasound or similar? By this I mean measure before the animal is slaughtered. Would take a lot of guesswork out of it.

Your eye! No guesswork after a while.

Hill Bill · 11-09-2018 04:11PM

€3.85 for heifers, going end of the week.

Attie · 11-09-2018 05:31PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Is there any device out there that measures fat score, something like an ultrasound or similar? By this I mean measure before the animal is slaughtered. Would take a lot of guesswork out of it.

This might help Patsy.

https://www.teagasc.ie/media/website/publications/2016/ASA-Charleville-2016-Beef-Carcass-Classification-MMcG.pdf

gerryirl · 11-09-2018 05:56PM

Willfarman wrote: »

Buying cattle from farmers to sell to Larry isn’t working for me anyway!!

your not alone. With the costs involved, finishing cattle is becoming pointless. Have stores in mart tomorrow and that will point me in the direction to go depending on what happens

gerryirl · 11-09-2018 05:57PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Forward stores over 450-500kgs are too expensive when you look at present finishing costs

agreed. the figures dont add up

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