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charolais0153 · 29-08-2018 11:14PM

sonnybill wrote: »

What are good big char cows R+ going in factory?

3. 50

sonnybill · 29-08-2018 11:49PM

charolais0153 wrote: »

3. 50

Only have the 1 to go , might try her out in mart Saturday

sonnybill · 02-09-2018 04:01AM

sonnybill wrote: »

Only have the 1 to go , might try her out in mart Saturday

785 kg lw 1340, not great , if I had plenty grass and the motivation to feed her meal every evening for 6 weeks I might have got her into a U , 820 x0.52 ko = 426.4kg dw x 360p E1535 but no time at the minute take E50 for meal take E50 for haulier and even less out of it ,

Neddyusa · 02-09-2018 10:03AM

sonnybill wrote: »

785 kg lw 1340, not great , if I had plenty grass and the motivation to feed her meal every evening for 6 weeks I might have got her into a U , 820 x0.52 ko = 426.4kg dw x 360p E1535 but no time at the minute take E50 for meal take E50 for haulier and even less out of it ,

She'd probably only KO 48-49%. And a more likely price at that stage would be €3.50, so she might clear slightly over €1400 after deductions.

So you were dead right to let her go at 1340!

dryan · 04-09-2018 11:23AM

Bullocks back to 3.80 this week in the midlands.

Cavanjack · 04-09-2018 02:32PM

dryan wrote: »

Bullocks back to 3.80 this week in the midlands.

A great bunch of lads

Bass Reeves · 04-09-2018 02:56PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

A great bunch of lads

Martin Coughlan in his article on factory prices has a bit at the end about the imbalance of power between farmers and processors. He equates it to 15 lads turning up for a football team that have never played togeather before against a well organised team. As he put it the results is a foregone conclusion. He is critical of the farm organisations. In reality this is why most beef finishers have left farm organisations over the last 2-3 years and stopped paying levies.

Farmer · 04-09-2018 03:15PM

You'd have the competition authority out with a red card if those 15 played together, no problem with the other lads

kk.man · 04-09-2018 04:20PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Martin Coughlan in his article on factory prices has a bit at the end about the imbalance of power between farmers and processors. He equates it to 15 lads turning up for a football team that have never played togeather before against a well organised team. As he put it the results is a foregone conclusion. He is critical of the farm organisations. In reality this is why most beef finishers have left farm organisations over the last 2-3 years and stopped paying levies.

+1 on all the above.

wrangler · 04-09-2018 07:09PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Martin Coughlan in his article on factory prices has a bit at the end about the imbalance of power between farmers and processors. He equates it to 15 lads turning up for a football team that have never played togeather before against a well organised team. As he put it the results is a foregone conclusion. He is critical of the farm organisations. In reality this is why most beef finishers have left farm organisations over the last 2-3 years and stopped paying levies.

I'm amused to see him equating it to a football team where poor performance usually is blamed on the manager and the team sacks the manager and continues on in ignorance.
Last time the media arrived at a local protest I couldn't even find find a beef farmer to talk to them...plenty of dairy alright and a few sheep farmers...sure sack the manager
Farmers should get their fingers out now and form groups, it wouldn't do farmers a bit of harm to show a bit of backbone

kk.man · 04-09-2018 07:29PM

wrangler wrote: »

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Martin Coughlan in his article on factory prices has a bit at the end about the imbalance of power between farmers and processors. He equates it to 15 lads turning up for a football team that have never played togeather before against a well organised team. As he put it the results is a foregone conclusion. He is critical of the farm organisations. In reality this is why most beef finishers have left farm organisations over the last 2-3 years and stopped paying levies.

I'm amused to see him equating it to a football team where poor performance usually is blamed on the manager and the team sacks the manager and continues on in ignorance.
Last time the media arrived at a local protest I couldn't even find find a beef farmer to talk to them...plenty of dairy alright and a few sheep farmers...sure sack the manager
Farmers should get their fingers out now and form groups, it wouldn't do farmers a bit of harm to show a bit of backbone

MII has rejected groups for beef farmers. I'd say agents wouldn't be too happy either.

whelan2 · 04-09-2018 07:32PM

When was the last beef protest?

wrangler · 04-09-2018 07:38PM

kk.man wrote: »

MII has rejected groups for beef farmers. I'd say agents wouldn't be too happy either.

Kinda proves my point, like bold children the MII will do what they''re let away with
Our group is very successful here with lambs

wrangler · 04-09-2018 07:41PM

whelan2 wrote: »

When was the last beef protest?

2014, I think

whelan2 · 04-09-2018 07:44PM

wrangler wrote: »

2014, I think

I wonder what the price was then?

wrangler · 04-09-2018 07:49PM

whelan2 wrote: »

I wonder what the price was then?

well under €4/kg.....was it €3.60/3.70

Willfarman · 04-09-2018 08:11PM

2014 after the processors had made a killing off pure opportunism and when the glut of cattle finally passed and prices were inevitabley going to rise there was a protest.. and of course they came to the gates of slaney to protest against Larry’s purchase of the same.

Tremendous stuff altogether.

wrangler · 04-09-2018 08:38PM

Willfarman wrote: »

2014 after the processors had made a killing off pure opportunism and when the glut of cattle finally passed and prices were inevitabley going to rise there was a protest.. and of course they came to the gates of slaney to protest against Larry’s purchase of the same.

Tremendous stuff altogether.

Blocking the factory for three days and then you'd get driven on with tractors and trailers on our road going to kilbeggan fot four days.....
Waste of time, most importantly waste of my time.
Farmers don't want to do anything, They want others to do it alright.
That's never going to work

Willfarman · 04-09-2018 08:49PM

There is a lot of truth in that wrangler.. a lot of farmers are selfish greedy ffckers with one eye on their neighbors acre!

If we were united, produced and set a bar for sales price above the cost of production and refused to produce for less and had the sense to pocket our sfp we would have Larry like a lamb.. but it’s not an ideal world. Greed, stupidity and vanity has us where we are.

coolshannagh28 · 04-09-2018 08:52PM

Willfarman wrote: »

There is a lot of truth in that wrangler.. a lot of farmers are selfish greedy ffckers with one eye on their neighbors acre!

If we were united, produced and set a bar for sales price above the cost of production and refused to produce for less and had the sense to pocket our sfp we would have Larry like a lamb.. but it’s not an ideal world. Greed, stupidity and vanity has us where we are.

As farming income is essentially the subsidy could farmers not withdraw their product as its a break even at the best of times ?

Willfarman · 04-09-2018 09:00PM

coolshannagh28 wrote: »

Willfarman wrote: »

There is a lot of truth in that wrangler.. a lot of farmers are selfish greedy ffckers with one eye on their neighbors acre!

If we were united, produced and set a bar for sales price above the cost of production and refused to produce for less and had the sense to pocket our sfp we would have Larry like a lamb.. but it’s not an ideal world. Greed, stupidity and vanity has us where we are.

As farming income is essentially the subsidy could farmers not withdraw their product as its a break even at the best of times ?

Perhaps the reason for that lightbulb not shining is the bright child was always sent for the priesthood or educated to get a job and therein the lack of common intelligence among us!

kk.man · 04-09-2018 09:30PM

It's not all the factories fault. They process cattle just above the cost of production however they have huge volume. It's the fifth quarter is where the big bucks are made. Only a few control that side of the game but they control the trade as a result.
The biggest margin is made by the supermarkets which only have to provide self space. They in turn keep the factories under their tumb.

Cavanjack · 04-09-2018 09:48PM

Have there been any beef producer groups set up yet or why is it not happening?

patsy_mccabe · 04-09-2018 09:57PM

Cavanjack wrote: »

Have there been any beef producer groups set up yet or why is it not happening?

How can producer groups work when you don't have any leverage over the factories? What do you threaten them with?

Willfarman · 04-09-2018 10:01PM

kk.man wrote: »

It's not all the factories fault. They process cattle just above the cost of production however they have huge volume. It's the fifth quarter is where the big bucks are made. Only a few control that side of the game but they control the trade as a result.
The biggest margin is made by the supermarkets which only have to provide self space. They in turn keep the factories under their tumb.

Have you never see the Irish rich list then or had a read up on the bould Larry? Truth is we haven’t a clue who’s making what but keep supplying and bend over year with pants down for the beef barons and retailers. https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/beef-barons-worth-over-2billion-34475145.html

Who2 · 04-09-2018 10:04PM

What’s current cow prices

coolshannagh28 · 04-09-2018 10:11PM

What is the time length of the supply chain to the supermarket shelves ,withdraw the product and take control but beware the competition authority.

grange mac · 04-09-2018 10:52PM

The good news is the "morning" plant in north cork dropping 5c this week & 10c next week thats what I heard tonight....what a shower of cnuts.
If one does it, like sheep rest will follow...

Cavanjack · 04-09-2018 10:55PM

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

How can producer groups work when you don't have any leverage over the factories? What do you threaten them with?

How do the lamb producer groups work? Or do they?

kk.man · 04-09-2018 11:13PM

Willfarman wrote: »

kk.man wrote: »

It's not all the factories fault. They process cattle just above the cost of production however they have huge volume. It's the fifth quarter is where the big bucks are made. Only a few control that side of the game but they control the trade as a result.
The biggest margin is made by the supermarkets which only have to provide self space. They in turn keep the factories under their tumb.

Have you never see the Irish rich list then or had a read up on the bould Larry? Truth is we haven’t a clue who’s making what but keep supplying and bend over year with pants down for the beef barons and retailers. https://amp.independent.ie/business/farming/beef-barons-worth-over-2billion-34475145.html

Net Profit margin per head is around 35euro. Take slaney with capacity to kill 78k animals per year = 2.730 million. However the fifth quarter is 130euro per head (that only applies to Larry as he controls this) The others are paid less for fifth quarter.
He owns alot more plants hense the rich list listing
Small abattoirs are running on fine margins.

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