Formula 1 2018: General Discussion Thread

Adamocovic · 07-09-2018 01:20PM

vectra wrote: »

I read a very interesting Comment over on another forum about Kimi and Leclerc.

LeClerc

Kimi Scenario.

Did Haas not confirm why they opted not to go with Leclerc. I remember when asked they stated that while he had great potential the point they are in they want experienced F1 drivers, and don't wish to take the risk by signing Leclerc.

Magnussen and Grosjean both have years of experience and have consistently scored points, the reason Haas chose them over Leclerc.

I don't think there is anything bigger at play. He is one of the most hyped drivers in a long time, and deservedly so in my eyes. I think it's too early for him to be thrown into Ferrari but maybe I'm wrong.

skipper_G · 07-09-2018 01:30PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Did Haas not confirm why they opted not to go with Leclerc. I remember when asked they stated that while he had great potential the point they are in they want experienced F1 drivers, and don't wish to take the risk by signing Leclerc.

Magnussen and Grosjean both have years of experience and have consistently scored points, the reason Haas chose them over Leclerc.

I don't think there is anything bigger at play. He is one of the most hyped drivers in a long time, and deservedly so in my eyes. I think it's too early for him to be thrown into Ferrari but maybe I'm wrong.

People are also forgetting the importance of contractual control, a serious racing team wants drivers who they can control, so typically they sign contracts with options to extend. It means you can cut a guy loose if he's not delivering or exercise your option if he is. In the case of Leclerc, there's no guarantee how long he would be available for another team before Ferrari calls him up. It's not easy to make long term strategic plans when you don't know if you'll have one of your primary assets or not. And everything I've read about Gene Haas says he marches to the beat of his own drum, so he'll do what's best for Haas and not worry about Ferrari

muckwarrior · 07-09-2018 01:30PM

Another reason might be that if he turned out to be a star, they know he'd be snapped up by Ferrari, leaving them with the hassle of finding a replacement.

recyclebin · 07-09-2018 01:49PM

skipper_G wrote: »

People are also forgetting the importance of contractual control, a serious racing team wants drivers who they can control, so typically they sign contracts with options to extend. It means you can cut a guy loose if he's not delivering or exercise your option if he is. In the case of Leclerc, there's no guarantee how long he would be available for another team before Ferrari calls him up. It's not easy to make long term strategic plans when you don't know if you'll have one of your primary assets or not. And everything I've read about Gene Haas says he marches to the beat of his own drum, so he'll do what's best for Haas and not worry about Ferrari

There is enough Ferrari parts on the Haas car without needing their drivers too :P

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 07-09-2018 02:19PM

All but confirmed it seems

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1014419/Ferrari-Kimi-Raikkonen-Charles-Leclerc-confirmation-leaked-Garage-Italia/amp

pjohnson · 07-09-2018 04:02PM

muckwarrior wrote: »

Another reason might be that if he turned out to be a star, they know he'd be snapped up by Ferrari, leaving them with the hassle of finding a replacement.

Giovinazzi will be joining Sauber I'm 90% sure.

vectra · 07-09-2018 04:05PM

Addyson Gray Glue wrote: »

All but confirmed it seems

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1014419/Ferrari-Kimi-Raikkonen-Charles-Leclerc-confirmation-leaked-Garage-Italia/amp

I think that story has been floating around with a good number of days.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 07-09-2018 04:14PM

vectra wrote: »

I think that story has been floating around with a good number of days.

Today’s date on it with that crowd. Unsure if it is elsewhere though

Harika · 08-09-2018 09:37AM

Latest rumour out of Italy on Raikkonen's future. Leclerc is to delay joining Ferrari until 2020 and will stay at Sauber on the salary agreed for his contract at the Scuderia. One more year of learning the ropes for him and Kimi gets another year.

pjohnson · 08-09-2018 09:45AM

Harika wrote: »

Latest rumour out of Italy on Raikkonen's future. Leclerc is to delay joining Ferrari until 2020 and will stay at Sauber on the salary agreed for his contract at the Scuderia. One more year of learning the ropes for him and Kimi gets another year.

Thats best for both imo. I dont think Leclerc is ready.

vectra · 08-09-2018 10:31AM

Harika wrote: »

Latest rumour out of Italy on Raikkonen's future. Leclerc is to delay joining Ferrari until 2020 and will stay at Sauber on the salary agreed for his contract at the Scuderia. One more year of learning the ropes for him and Kimi gets another year.

Wasn't that not too unlike the initial story behind this?

Kimi extends his drive with Ferrari for 1 year with the team having an option to extend for an additional year. ?

The way I see it is they are playing cute and doing the right thing.
Quite obvious this years car is suiting both drivers and this is why Kimi is doing well,
If the bring in LeCerc next year and it doesnt suit him then they would have thrown away a good opportunity to get top results with Kimi and Seb.

Also
Play it cute and see if this season s just a flash in the pan with Leclerc, give him an extra season in Sauber to see how he settles in?

H3llR4iser · 08-09-2018 11:54AM

This sounds like a classic story of Italian efficiency; Going around the various Italian news sources, what has been said in the last few threads seems to be the correct interpretation. In a nutshell, Marchionne himself had decided to promote Leclerc for 2019 with a salary of 2 millions Euro for the first season, and 3 millions for 2020; After his illness and ultimately death, the new management has been keen to backtrack on the deal and keep Kimi for 2019. The operation has proven to be harder than thought and they've been looking for alternate solutions - including "routing" Leclerc through HAAS, a thing that anybody knowing a bit of Gene Haas' history would have known to be extremely difficult to work out.

The situation as of speaking seems to indeed be what Harika stated, it looks like Charles will stay at Alfa Romeo-Sauber for the next season while earning the Ferrari salary, with Kimi staying at Ferrari. It does look like an optimal solution at the moment, Ferrari gets to keep an experienced driver AND their future prospect, while Leclerc gets an extra season of experience in a car that, going by the in-season development shown, is likely to be further up the grid in 2019. The importance of Charles being "shielded" from the pressure he'd experience at Ferrari cannot be understated - no team or environment has the capability to burn out a driver like Ferrari has. Should things have gone wrong, Kvyat's history at Red Bull would've looked like a tale of calmness and compassion.

Cool_CM · 08-09-2018 03:09PM

H3llR4iser wrote: »

This sounds like a classic story of Italian efficiency; Going around the various Italian news sources, what has been said in the last few threads seems to be the correct interpretation. In a nutshell, Marchionne himself had decided to promote Leclerc for 2019 with a salary of 2 millions Euro for the first season, and 3 millions for 2020; After his illness and ultimately death, the new management has been keen to backtrack on the deal and keep Kimi for 2019. The operation has proven to be harder than thought and they've been looking for alternate solutions - including "routing" Leclerc through HAAS, a thing that anybody knowing a bit of Gene Haas' history would have known to be extremely difficult to work out.

The situation as of speaking seems to indeed be what Harika stated, it looks like Charles will stay at Alfa Romeo-Sauber for the next season while earning the Ferrari salary, with Kimi staying at Ferrari. It does look like an optimal solution at the moment, Ferrari gets to keep an experienced driver AND their future prospect, while Leclerc gets an extra season of experience in a car that, going by the in-season development shown, is likely to be further up the grid in 2019. The importance of Charles being "shielded" from the pressure he'd experience at Ferrari cannot be understated - no team or environment has the capability to burn out a driver like Ferrari has. Should things have gone wrong, Kvyat's history at Red Bull would've looked like a tale of calmness and compassion.

If accurate, it's arguably wins all round so and some monumental work must have gone into making it happen. Hopefully Kimi keeps his current form and justifies it. I'm a fan, but it wasn't really that long ago that it looked like he didn't really care anymore (moreso than usual :pac:).

pjohnson · 08-09-2018 04:22PM

Cool_CM wrote: »

If accurate, it's arguably wins all round so and some monumental work must have gone into making it happen. Hopefully Kimi keeps his current form and justifies it. I'm a fan, but it wasn't really that long ago that it looked like he didn't really care anymore (moreso than usual :pac:).

Good time to post this (probably a repost but some classics in there :pac:)

https://kimiraikkonenspace.com/quotes-on-kimi-raikkonen/33-classic-kimi-quotes/

Charlie-Bravo · 09-09-2018 11:33PM

Just reading an article with Jean Todt saying a fully electric F1 will not happen. But it makes me think, eventually F1 will have to move on to relevant tech. So, I'm wondering if they (F1) will ever explore Hydrogen power and producing electricity that way to run cars.

LollipopJimmy · 10-09-2018 12:03AM

Mick Schumacher is on fire at the minute in F3, although he seems to have an absolute weapon of a car

Cookie_Monster · 10-09-2018 04:01AM

astrofluff wrote: »

Just reading an article with Jean Todt saying a fully electric F1 will not happen. But it makes me think, eventually F1 will have to move on to relevant tech. So, I'm wondering if they (F1) will ever explore Hydrogen power and producing electricity that way to run cars.

Maybe they'll just accept it has to die and be replaced, as it the nature of things.

F-1 -> F-E -> F-zero

mickdw · 10-09-2018 12:43PM

F1 rules in my opinion should be freed up to help promote ev tech. Give them far more freedom in terms of what they can achieve re energy recovery & storage and freedom to deploy as much as they can recover.

That would surely drive development of battery / energy storage technology faster than the development taking place within the car industry currently.

In fact Id love to see a race series that has no restriction on engine type other than it must run on petrol and be limited to x amount of fuel. Let them add big batteries and hybrid tech as they wish but race needs to start with no drivetrain energy stored.

recyclebin · 10-09-2018 06:36PM

mickdw wrote: »

F1 rules in my opinion should be freed up to help promote ev tech. Give them far more freedom in terms of what they can achieve re energy recovery & storage and freedom to deploy as much as they can recover.

That would surely drive development of battery / energy storage technology faster than the development taking place within the car industry currently.

In fact Id love to see a race series that has no restriction on engine type other than it must run on petrol and be limited to x amount of fuel. Let them add big batteries and hybrid tech as they wish but race needs to start with no drivetrain energy stored.

Only problem with that is teams would add a nuclear button! The other problem with other energy stores is the safety aspect. They all need to be crash proof.

From an engineering point of view, it would be interesting what teams could come up with if their were no rules except the car must fit in an X sized box and pass the crash test.

AMKC · 10-09-2018 07:11PM

astrofluff wrote: »

Just reading an article with Jean Todt saying a fully electric F1 will not happen. But it makes me think, eventually F1 will have to move on to relevant tech. So, I'm wondering if they (F1) will ever explore Hydrogen power and producing electricity that way to run cars.

I have had that exact same thought. It would make perfect sense. Could they have a V8 hydrogen engine. The cars could still sound great too and not pollute much. I am sure it could be made safe and it would keep F1 relevant as most people think hydrogen is the way forward for cars and that electric cars are just a passing phase until we get there.

Frank Bullitt · 10-09-2018 09:44PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Mick Schumacher is on fire at the minute in F3, although he seems to have an absolute weapon of a car

I would not be against seeing the Schumacher name in F1 again. The boy is fast with massive potential and seems incredibly likeable.

I hope it happens.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 10-09-2018 09:51PM

Wouldn't it be great if Mick Schumacher replaced Hamilton who replaced his father.

skipper_G · 10-09-2018 09:58PM

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Mick Schumacher is on fire at the minute in F3, although he seems to have an absolute weapon of a car

He's been solid but nothing special for most of the season, the missing ingredient was confidence. That win in Spa gave him that extra bit of belief and he's been on a role since then. 6 wins in 10 races, and only 3 points behind Dan Ticktum now he's a genuine championship contender. His performance in every session at the weekend was immaculate, 2 poles and a P2 in qualy with wins in all 3 races. He's developing really well, looks ready for F2 next season

Charlie-Bravo · 10-09-2018 10:39PM

I could imagine it's very overwhelming for Mick. If he has it, that raw skill, it'll shine through when he gets settled and confident in his ability. I wasn't a big follower of Michael Schumacher but would be content in Mick making it to F1 and would have keen interest in him doing well.

El_Duderino 09 · 10-09-2018 10:55PM

skipper_G wrote: »

LollipopJimmy wrote: »

Mick Schumacher is on fire at the minute in F3, although he seems to have an absolute weapon of a car

He's been solid but nothing special for most of the season, the missing ingredient was confidence. That win in Spa gave him that extra bit of belief and he's been on a role since then. 6 wins in 10 races, and only 3 points behind Dan Ticktum now he's a genuine championship contender. His performance in every session at the weekend was immaculate, 2 poles and a P2 in qualy with wins in all 3 races. He's developing really well, looks ready for F2 next season

5Live did an interview with him recently. Came across very well.

He acknowledged that his name would be an advantage to getting him into F1. But he had to be good enough first. Like Bruno Senna or Nelson Pique jr, his name might help him get to F1 but his results will determine whether he stays there or not (like Nico Rosberg and Damon Hill)

g1983d · 11-09-2018 09:16AM

Kimi announced for 2 years with Sauber

Harika · 11-09-2018 09:19AM

g1983d wrote: »

Kimi announced for 2 years with Sauber

And leaving Ferrari lol my god 6 minute old news and already on boards.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnlCYA-hWBD/?hl=en&taken-by=kimimatiasraikkonen

pjohnson · 11-09-2018 09:36AM

Great hes staying on the grid. Worry for Leclerc mind. Not fully sure he's ready.

pjohnson · 11-09-2018 09:38AM

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

5Live did an interview with him recently. Came across very well.

He acknowledged that his name would be an advantage to getting him into F1. But he had to be good enough first. Like Bruno Senna or Nelson Pique jr, his name might help him get to F1 but his results will determine whether he stays there or not (like Nico Rosberg and Damon Hill)

By god I'd forgotten about Nelson Piquet. He was just dreadful. Worst I can properly remember until Pastor came along.

skipper_G · 11-09-2018 09:42AM

I'm happy for Leclerc, didn't think Ferrari would have the balls to do it. I can't say enough good about him, I think he'll cope just fine

As for Kimi going to Sauber, it's a big signing for them and nice to still have him on the grid.

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