Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

seligehgit · 06-09-2018 04:48PM

charlie14 wrote: »

If Westport make good progress over those 2-3 years it might not be that easy to get back.
Cute move would be to win a senior county with Westport and have the county board begging him to take over due to the backing he would have from supporters, which would also leave him with a blank cheque where the board was concerned.

The wiser move indeed.

Mould the promising players in Westport,win a county title.

Have a blank canvas with hopefully a conveyor belt of talent available some of whom he'd a role in bringing through.

charlie14 · 06-09-2018 04:54PM

TCDStudent1 wrote: »

Strange interview. She was very defiant in what she was saying. Yet, somehow, she didnt really come across as that believable.

I dont know the full story, nor do I follow ladies football. But kicking the club out did seem a bit heavy handed. And she has a point in that players who had nothing to do with the county are being punished.

If both herself and the others from Carnacon that left the county panel were concerned for the others players from their club then they should not have involved the club in the first place.
That was why the club was kicked out.

BENDYBINN · 06-09-2018 05:01PM

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Just heard Cora on of the ball. She must've said "it wasn't a coup" 6 or 7 times. Yeah Cora, nobody believes you....

So she reckons it's a safety issue, they didn't feel safe. Can open, worms everywhere!!!

Strange ,it was only the carnacon ladies that had the safety issue!

PARlance · 06-09-2018 05:24PM

charlie14 wrote: »

If Westport make good progress over those 2-3 years it might not be that easy to get back.
Cute move would be to win a senior county with Westport and have the county board begging him to take over due to the backing he would have from supporters, which would also leave him with a blank cheque where the board was concerned.

I think you would get good odds on Westport winning County within the next 3 years tbh. I.e while your roadmap looks like a great plan, it's unrealistic.

There's a fair amount of expectation around him and Westport. If they don't challenge for a County Title, his stock may never be as high again.

He is wanted now, if stories are to be believed. I wouldn't be wanting around to be more wanted in the future tbh.

06-09-2018 05:44PM

RedDevil55 wrote: »

They've little or no chance of winning a county title this year IMO and it'll likely take them 2 or 3 years to catch Castlebar.

Yep, unlikely this year. Interestingly enough though the Mayo News podcast reviewing rnd 2 of the championship pondered that a nicely developing Westport side could be the biggest threat to the Mitchels down the line. As for the Mitchels themselves, they've ambitions quite beyond a county title for this season.

padd b1975 · 06-09-2018 07:25PM

The high horse brigade wrote: »

Just heard Cora on of the ball. She must've said "it wasn't a coup" 6 or 7 times. Yeah Cora, nobody believes you....

So she reckons it's a safety issue, they didn't feel safe. Can open, worms everywhere!!!

Great footballer obviously, but I always got the impression that there wasn't a whole lot going on between the lugs.

And as for that voice...

Fann Linn · 06-09-2018 07:27PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

Strange ,it was only the carnacon ladies that had the safety issue!

Were they being abused or assaulted? Should the Gardai or Tusla be involved?

RedDevil55 · 06-09-2018 07:30PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yep, unlikely this year. Interestingly enough though the Mayo News podcast reviewing rnd 2 of the championship pondered that a nicely developing Westport side could be the biggest threat to the Mitchels down the line. As for the Mitchels themselves, they've ambitions quite beyond a county title for this season.

Yep I don't see Mitchels regressing any time soon either. Apart from Barry Moran, I think the rest of the squad are all in their 20's.

charlie14 · 06-09-2018 08:28PM

PARlance wrote: »

I think you would get good odds on Westport winning County within the next 3 years tbh. I.e while your roadmap looks like a great plan, it's unrealistic.

There's a fair amount of expectation around him and Westport. If they don't challenge for a County Title, his stock may never be as high again.

He is wanted now, if stories are to be believed. I wouldn't be wanting around to be more wanted in the future tbh.

He is wanted now by a county board to get them out of a hole the dug for themselves. Gratitude from county boards lasts as long as July snow on a ditch.

If he does not win an AI with Mayo in 2019 then he is looking at a team rebuilding job, or from recent antics of the county board, sacked for not doing so.
If he does take the job then I reckon he is not much of a poker player. The smart move would be for him to hedge his bet.

BENDYBINN · 06-09-2018 09:00PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Where they being abused or assaulted? Should the Gardai and Tusla be involved?

it seems that's what's been inseminated!!!

Niallers87 · 06-09-2018 09:02PM

BENDYBINN wrote: »

it seems that's what's been inseminated!!!

If there being "inseminated" it might be grounds to get the gards involved ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚ðŸ˜‚

Loafing Oaf · 06-09-2018 09:07PM

charlie14 wrote: »

He is wanted now by a county board to get them out of a hole the dug for themselves. Gratitude from county boards lasts as long as July snow on a ditch.

If he does not win an AI with Mayo in 2019 then he is looking at a team rebuilding job, or from recent antics of the county board, sacked for not doing so.

Which is why I think the best arrangement for all concerned would be for Horan to take the job for just a year and only carry on beyond that 'by mutual consent'...

charlie14 · 06-09-2018 09:19PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Which is why I think the best arrangement for all concerned would be for Horan to take the job for just a year and only carry on beyond that 'by mutual consent'...

Are you by any chance a member of the Mayo county board ?

That sound like their collective wet dream.

Loafing Oaf · 06-09-2018 09:36PM

charlie14 wrote: »

Are you by any chance a member of the Mayo county board ?

That sound like their collective wet dream.

Why wouldn't those terms suit Horan too, if he believes the mission is to 'finish the job' with the team he built, and leave the rebuilding to someone else...

seligehgit · 06-09-2018 09:39PM

The idea of a manager been in place for possibly only a year does not speak of the kind of stability that is required with all the shenanigans in recent years manager wise.

The manager should have a mandate and obligation to undertake a rebuild of the team.

The thought that a manager might contemplate walking away after a year or be forced out doesn't sit well with me.

djPSB · 06-09-2018 09:43PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

I'd love to see him back on TSG. He's one if the few older breed of pundits that are actually worth a damm. Would be great to have him back on co commentary duty too, especially if it means hearing less of Dessie bloody Dolan. McStay & Daragh Moloney did commentary of that utterly mad AI semifinal between Dublin & Kerry back in 2013 & they were brilliant. Thought the pair of them were going to have a heart attack live on air. It was deadly. (No pun intended.)

And it's time for Lee Keegan to take a step back from this gig.

He pretty much announced Mayo's game plan they use against the Dubs on the Sunday game last Sunday night.

Players shouldn't be doing those gigs until they have retired with an All Ireland in their back pocket.

Loafing Oaf · 06-09-2018 09:44PM

seligehgit wrote: »

The idea of a manager been in place for possibly only a year does not speak of the kind of stability that is required with all the shenanigans in recent years manager wise.

The manager should have a mandate and obligation to undertake a rebuild of the team.

The thought that a manager might contemplate walking away after a year or be forced out doesn't sit well with me.

Well then maybe Horan teams up with Solan (or whoever) as a very strong no.2 on the understanding that he would hand over the reins when he believed the current team was effectively finished and it was time to rebuild...

djPSB · 06-09-2018 09:49PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Well then maybe Horan teams up with Solan (or whoever) as a very strong no.2 on the understanding that he would hand over the reins when he believed the current team was effectively finished and it was time to rebuild...

There should be a clear link between the Senior squad and the u20s. One of the selectors from the Senior squad should be involved in the U20 management team.

Both squads should be under the same strength and conditioning coach.

charlie14 · 06-09-2018 09:50PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Why wouldn't those terms suit Horan too, if he believes the mission is to 'finish the job' with the team he built, and leave the rebuilding to someone else...

If he believes the mission is to "finish the job" with the team he built then why did he resign four years ago ?

The one year term you are proposing too be ended "by mutual consent" would be nothing other than the Mayo county board having all their prayers answered in getting them out of the hole they dug for themselves.
It would certainly be of no benefit to James Horan, who could easily find himself out of two jobs if Mayo do not win the AI next year if he were to give up his Westport position to take up the Mayo one.

Loafing Oaf · 06-09-2018 10:01PM

charlie14 wrote: »

If he believes the mission is to "finish the job" with the team he built then why did he resign four years ago ?

As he said at the time, because he has a young family and a demanding real-world job. AFAIK that stuff still applies, which is why I reckon he'd only be interested in taking the job now on a short-term basis and would be unwilling to commit to a long-term rebuilding project.

charlie14 · 06-09-2018 10:49PM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

charlie14 wrote: »

If he believes the mission is to "finish the job" with the team he built then why did he resign four years ago ?

As he said at the time, because he has a young family and a demanding real-world job. AFAIK that stuff still applies, which is why I reckon he'd only be interested in taking the job now on a short-term basis and would be unwilling to commit to a long-term rebuilding project.

Then I honestly do not see how that benefits anyone other than the county board.

Especially if he was to give up his Westport position.

With the time and effort needed for county management alone, plus his young family and real-world job I cannot see how he could do otherwise. Especially for a full year of club and inter county football

ProudDUB · 06-09-2018 10:50PM

djPSB wrote: »

And it's time for Lee Keegan to take a step back from this gig.

He pretty much announced Mayo's game plan they use against the Dubs on the Sunday game last Sunday night.

Players shouldn't be doing those gigs until they have retired with an All Ireland in their back pocket.

Oh no. I disagree. Lee Keegan is a fabulous pundit. The best in the biz. He should be on TSG every single week.

charlie14 · 06-09-2018 11:00PM

djPSB wrote: »

And it's time for Lee Keegan to take a step back from this gig.

He pretty much announced Mayo's game plan they use against the Dubs on the Sunday game last Sunday night.

Players shouldn't be doing those gigs until they have retired with an All Ireland in their back pocket.

I thought at the time it sounded a bit ill advised, but thinking on it since in fairness to Lee Keegan it`s not as if Jim Gavin didn`t already know it.

charlie14 · 06-09-2018 11:04PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

Oh no. I disagree. Lee Keegan is a fabulous pundit. The best in the biz. He should be on TSG every single week.

..... on the basis that you should never look a gift horse in the mouth.:cool:

jr86 · 07-09-2018 09:00AM

djPSB wrote: »

And it's time for Lee Keegan to take a step back from this gig.

He pretty much announced Mayo's game plan they use against the Dubs on the Sunday game last Sunday night.

Players shouldn't be doing those gigs until they have retired with an All Ireland in their back pocket.

Lets be honest its a nice little earner for him, and (God forbid) who knows when anyone's career could come to a sudden halt, so its also a means to pave the way for future long-term punditry gigs

Its very easy to criticise him online, but I'd be confident the vast majority of us would jump at such an opportunity in his position

Sebastian Dangerfield · 07-09-2018 09:23AM

jr86 wrote: »

Lets be honest its a nice little earner for him, and (God forbid) who knows when anyone's career could come to a sudden halt, so its also a means to pave the way for future long-term punditry gigs

Its very easy to criticise him online, but I'd be confident the vast majority of us would jump at such an opportunity in his position

Also the idea that only someone with an AI medal is qualified to talk about the game is used too often, and drives me nuts.

ProudDUB · 07-09-2018 09:45AM

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

Also the idea that only someone with an AI medal is qualified to talk about the game is used too often, and drives me nuts.

It's a ridiculous idea alright. I'd take Lee Keegan (as a pundit) over an army of O'Se's any day of the week.

PARlance · 07-09-2018 10:57AM

jr86 wrote: »

Lets be honest its a nice little earner for him, and (God forbid) who knows when anyone's career could come to a sudden halt, so its also a means to pave the way for future long-term punditry gigs

Its very easy to criticise him online, but I'd be confident the vast majority of us would jump at such an opportunity in his position

What exactly did he say about Mayo's tactics vs Dublin? I missed it but I can't imagine he would let slip any inner circle secrets... anyone with any interest in Mayo knows how we set up vs Dublin.

jmayo · 07-09-2018 11:28AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Great footballer obviously, but I always got the impression that there wasn't a whole lot going on between the lugs.

And as for that voice...

Jaysus it hasn't taken long to put the boot in.
And this is someone who has given Mayo decades of service, and led the county to national honours. :rolleyes:

jr86 wrote: »

Lets be honest its a nice little earner for him, and (God forbid) who knows when anyone's career could come to a sudden halt, so its also a means to pave the way for future long-term punditry gigs

Its very easy to criticise him online, but I'd be confident the vast majority of us would jump at such an opportunity in his position

People should remember that Keegan at the age of 27 has had to have both his hips operated on.
He is right to look after no.1, because in years to come no one else probably will.

ProudDUB wrote: »

Oh no. I disagree. Lee Keegan is a fabulous pundit. The best in the biz. He should be on TSG every single week.

Tune in next time he is on, he is going to reveal the secret to keeping Dublin's best players, you know the ones that are greatest to have ever played, in his pocket.

Fann Linn · 07-09-2018 11:43AM

jmayo wrote: »

Jaysus it hasn't taken long to put the boot in.
And this is someone who has given Mayo decades of service, and led the county to national honours. :rolleyes:

People should remember that Keegan at the age of 27 has had to have both his hips operated on.
He is right to look after no.1, because in years to come no one else probably will.

Tune in next time he is on, he is going to reveal the secret to keeping Dublin's best players, you know the ones that are greatest to have ever played, in his pocket.

Hiya Lee.

Mayo GAA Discussion - Part 3

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