2018 Ryder Cup

Joe_ Public · 05-09-2018 2:02pm

Not surprised he overlooked Wallace tbh. Apart from the PGA where he did fairly ok, he wasn't much of a factor in the bigger events. Outside of his 3 wins, you're talking only one other top 10. It's still a good season but it's not screaming "must pick" at me either. RCB is without question the unlucky one imo.

GreeBo · 05-09-2018 2:04pm

Any of the guys who are upset at not being picked only have themselves to blame.

Play well all year and get an automatic slot, otherwise suck it up.

Mantis Toboggan · 05-09-2018 2:12pm

Golfgorfield wrote: »

If the Dell cship wasn't a Monday finish then Rafa would have qualified automatically, which is just bizarre that they don't move the cutoff date to the Monday.

Seems extremely harsh of Rafa, definitively deserves to be there.

f@steddie · 05-09-2018 2:21pm

Strange in '95, Harrington in 2010, Westwood and Kaymer in 2016. Loads of examples of off form veterans being picked and not doing well. Any example of an off form veteran doing well in a Ryder cup?

Garcia should never have been picked. He's playing rubbish. Cabrera Bello is in decent form and had a solid outing last time. Also, apart from this year he has a good record at the Ryder cup course and it fits his game well.

Wallace won lesser events and has missed lots of cuts. Wouldn't have went with him myself.

ligerdub · 05-09-2018 2:21pm

GreeBo wrote:

Any of the guys who are upset at not being picked only have themselves to blame.

Play well all year and get an automatic slot, otherwise suck it up.

Yep, gotta agree.

Wallace was 13th in the points rankings and 16th in the world ranking points table.

I don't see how winning one of the weakest tournaments on the year by field quality could justify a pick. Granted he's won 3 times, he hasn't been consistent enough. He'll be a player but he's not ready yet.

On top of anything else it's not ideal to have players in the team who blow very hot 10% of the time but lukewarm to cold for the rest of the year.

I feel bad for Knox, who has been left out as the next guy in line for the 2nd time in a row. Rafa is a form player with experience in the event, and within the top 12 in the rankings on both metrics. He can feel a bit unfortunate although judging by the 2 teams he might be grateful to be out of it this one time.

slave1 · 05-09-2018 2:44pm

The US picks were the next 3 in line for automatic qualification AFAIK, Euro picks much stranger

CONSI · 05-09-2018 2:52pm

Think if there weren't as many rookies qualified (5/8) then he might have gone for Knox or Rafa....he'll pair Sergio with Rahm, Poults with Fleetwood and Stenson with Noren.....Casey is solid enough and will play with Hatton....Rory and Rose and Molinari and thorbjorn...singles is where we might struggle...US team has serious quality to it

Russman · 05-09-2018 2:59pm

ligerdub wrote: »

Yep, gotta agree.

Wallace was 13th in the points rankings and 16th in the world ranking points table.

I don't see how winning one of the weakest tournaments on the year by field quality could justify a pick. Granted he's won 3 times, he hasn't been consistent enough. He'll be a player but he's not ready yet.

On top of anything else it's not ideal to have players in the team who blow very hot 10% of the time but lukewarm to cold for the rest of the year.

I feel bad for Knox, who has been left out as the next guy in line for the 2nd time in a row. Rafa is a form player with experience in the event, and within the top 12 in the rankings on both metrics. He can feel a bit unfortunate although judging by the 2 teams he might be grateful to be out of it this one time.

Agree with a lot of this ^^^

CONSI · 05-09-2018 3:01pm

Is there merit in removing the captains picks alltogether and just letting the best 12 at it...

Joe_ Public · 05-09-2018 3:16pm

f@steddie wrote: »

Strange in '95, Harrington in 2010, Westwood and Kaymer in 2016. Loads of examples of off form veterans being picked and not doing well. Any example of an off form veteran doing well in a Ryder cup?

Garcia should never have been picked. He's playing rubbish. Cabrera Bello is in decent form and had a solid outing last time. Also, apart from this year he has a good record at the Ryder cup course and it fits his game well.

Wallace won lesser events and has missed lots of cuts. Wouldn't have went with him myself.

He wasn't a veteran at the time, but Westwood getting the nod from Woosie in 2006 is certainly interesting in the context of 2018 as it was Bjorn who lost out and made his disgust clear in very public terms. Westwood was out of the worst of his mid-career slump at that point, but he still hadnt won on tour for 3 years and he had slid nearly out of the top 50 in the world rankings. Yet for all Bjorn's fulminations Europe, as we know, went on to record a famous victory with Westy leading the charge as top points scorer. Dont know if it shaped his thinking in any way, but Bjorn maybe hoping for a history repeat with Sergio this time around.

RikkFlair · 05-09-2018 3:28pm

f@steddie wrote: »

Strange in '95, Harrington in 2010, Westwood and Kaymer in 2016. Loads of examples of off form veterans being picked and not doing well. Any example of an off form veteran doing well in a Ryder cup?

He won 2 points in what was a 1 point victory, while it wasn't vintage Harrington I'd say he did alright.

Deeper Blue · 05-09-2018 3:38pm

I'd definitely have picked RCB ahead of Garcia. The fact that Garcia didn't play any of the recent events would suggest Bjorn promised him a wildcard last month which must rankle with the likes of RCB and Wallace.

In all honesty though I think Europe will struggle against this US team regardless of who was picked today.

Henry Ford III · 05-09-2018 3:49pm

Team is set in stone now. Makes no difference who is or isn't worthy of a pick. Time to back Bjorn and Team Europe 100%.

spacecoyote · 05-09-2018 4:32pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Team is set in stone now. Makes no difference who is or isn't worthy of a pick. Time to back Bjorn and Team Europe 100%.

That's far too reasonable a point to be making on an online forum

RoadRunner · 05-09-2018 4:49pm

NDWC wrote: »

would suggest Bjorn promised him a wildcard last month..

Would have went with rafa, poulter, roadrunnner, casey

Played my heart out last weekend, just missing the win. Pisses me off that it wouldn't have even mattered :mad:

LuckyGent88 · 05-09-2018 4:49pm

Wonder is Sergio going to play any tournament before the Ryder cup? He has nothing to play in the US and isn’t down to play next week in the Netherlands.

He surely needs to have a few competitive rounds first. It will be nearly 2 months otherwise since his last tournament

Cork Boy 53 · 05-09-2018 5:33pm

LuckyGent88 wrote: »

Wonder is Sergio going to play any tournament before the Ryder cup? He has nothing to play in the US and isn’t down to play next week in the Netherlands.

He surely needs to have a few competitive rounds first. It will be nearly 2 months otherwise since his last tournament

Probably not. I guess the spin put on that will be that Garcia will be fresh and focused on performing his best in the RC.

slave1 · 05-09-2018 7:14pm

CONSI wrote: »

....he'll pair Sergio with Rahm..

LOL

Andrew Beef · 05-09-2018 8:09pm

If the idea was to pick from the next few guys in the rankings, there wouldn’t be wildcards at all and it’d just be the top 12 players who are picked.

The whole point of wildcards is to give the captain flexibility in terms of bringing guys who he’d like there but who haven’t made it for whatever reason.

The European team looks decent but there are a hell of a lot of rookies; Bjorn obviously felt that experience needed to be layered in. I would have picked Pieters, especially given how well he did last time and how well he gelled with Rory. But on balance I have no issue with the players he selected.

I did a quick mental tot and by my reckoning the US have 31 Majors to our 8.

f@steddie · 05-09-2018 9:08pm

RikkFlair wrote: »

He won 2 points in what was a 1 point victory, while it wasn't vintage Harrington I'd say he did alright.

He was carried by Ross Fisher in the doubles and lost his singles. Also, his records is poor in the Ryder cup despite playing in Europe's two biggest wins (2004, 2006).

downthemiddle · 05-09-2018 9:23pm

Casey is a very surprising pick. He is as popular with his fellow pros as an outbreak of Ebola.

GreeBo · 05-09-2018 9:29pm

f@steddie wrote: »

He was carried by Ross Fisher in the doubles and lost his singles. Also, his records is poor in the Ryder cup despite playing in Europe's two biggest wins (2004, 2006).

"doubles"?:eek:

That won't sway many people to your opinion on a golf forum!

GreeBo · 05-09-2018 9:29pm

CONSI wrote: »

Rory and Rose

I think thats a waste, you can only get 1 point for a win, I'd split the two lads

Andrew Beef · 05-09-2018 9:35pm

Who will be the mainstays of the team?

I suspect that Tommy Fleetwood will be a sensational Ryder Cupper. Molinari should do very well too. Rose obviously. John Rahm should bring passion to the table. Rory’s one I’m not sure of...bad enough year.

GreeBo · 05-09-2018 9:49pm

I think Molinari and Rose will do well, both very solid and playing well this year.

Not sure about the rest of them, though Poulter is playing well so coupled with his Ryder Cup attitude he should do well.

Benicetomonty · 05-09-2018 10:16pm

Rose and stenson the only really obvious pairing. 4balls friday morning so bjorn might give rahm and garcia a shot together. Can see rory and poulter paired. Played together twice in 4balls and unbeaten. Hard to see the Open Champion not going out in the first session, so put him with whoevers left and bang, theres your first 4 pairings. Molinari could play with anybody but could be the man to hold Oleson's hand as he plays his 1st match.

That means youre leaving out Fleetwood Noren Casey and Tyrell. Not a bad team we have there...

GreeBo · 05-09-2018 10:41pm

Benicetomonty wrote: »

Rose and stenson the only really obvious pairing. 4balls friday morning so bjorn might give rahm and garcia a shot together. Can see rory and poulter paired. Played together twice in 4balls and unbeaten. Hard to see the Open Champion not going out in the first session, so put him with whoevers left and bang, theres your first 4 pairings. Molinari could play with anybody but could be the man to hold Oleson's hand as he plays his 1st match.

That means youre leaving out Fleetwood Noren Casey and Tyrell. Not a bad team we have there...

I'd put Molinari with whoever you are not sure of in the fourball, they wont have much pressure and molinari will probably be in on every hole.

Foursomes Im not sure, a nervous guy might get more nervous playing with a steady eddie than he would with another wild man. Two wild guys are used to being in strange places, not sure Molinari is used to missing fairways...

slave1 · 06-09-2018 10:26am

Love to see Wallace win again this week...

Golfgorfield · 06-09-2018 10:33am

GreeBo wrote: »

I'd put Molinari with whoever you are not sure of in the fourball, they wont have much pressure and molinari will probably be in on every hole.

Foursomes Im not sure, a nervous guy might get more nervous playing with a steady eddie than he would with another wild man. Two wild guys are used to being in strange places, not sure Molinari is used to missing fairways...

ive a feeling we might see Rory/Poulter off in match 1 Friday morning in 4balls.

Id love to see

Rory/Poulter
Rose/Henrick
Molinari/Fleetwood
Rahm/Hatton

When you look at, Garcia, Noren, Olesen, Casey on the sidelines, it kind of makes you realise we have a pretty good team tbh.

Afternoon 4somes id try
Molinari/Fleetwood
Noren/Poulter
Rory/Olesen
Casey/Rose

Prob not 1 of those will happen, but thats why im at a keyboard and not a captain...

Seve OB · 06-09-2018 10:45am

GreeBo wrote: »

"doubles"?:eek:

That won't sway many people to your opinion on a golf forum!

I know of a club who till recently referred to the fourball matchplays as the doubles and mixed doubles

Chivito550 · 06-09-2018 12:29pm

I’m heading over for the Ryder Cup and bought a ticket to the Saturday.

Usually live sport is infinitely better than on TV, especially in athletics and tennis, the 2 best sports I’ve seen live.

However with golf I have an awful feeling I will miss 95% of the action by actually being there, almost a bit like being at the Tour de France rather than watching it on TV.

What tips would you give so I can get the most out of the day? I want to see great golf in the flesh but still be able to follow how the actual competition is going.

All advice from those who have attended Ryder Cups would be appreciated.

Rikand · 06-09-2018 12:56pm

Golfgorfield wrote: »

Rahm/Hatton
.

If they don't kill each other, they'll kill the opposition.

Rikand · 06-09-2018 12:58pm

I've been to watch two live golf events and I swore I'd never go to another. You miss so much that you don't miss from the couch at home.

Just not for me

Rikand · 06-09-2018 1:08pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

However with golf I have an awful feeling I will miss 95% of the action by actually being there, almost a bit like being at the Tour de France rather than watching it on TV.

.

I've been to watch two live golf events and I swore I'd never go to another. You miss so much that you don't miss from the couch at home.

Just not for me

GenuineFan · 06-09-2018 1:27pm

Not for me either !!! I have gone to the Ryder Cup once and the Irish Open twice and I have been to the Portugal Masters five times and going again in two weeks time. Wouldn't go to a big competition again, definitely better to watch on TV. When we went to the Ryder Cup, I couldn't get over how little we saw, I was very disappointed. What I like about the Portugal Masters is there is plenty of room to actually see the golf and walk alongside the golfers. We were there for Shane Lowry's win and Padraig Harrington's win. Also, the nice weather and a few beers is nice too.

MisterAnarchy · 06-09-2018 1:37pm

GenuineFan wrote: »

Not for me either !!! I have gone to the Ryder Cup once and the Irish Open twice and I have been to the Portugal Masters five times and going again in two weeks time. Wouldn't go to a big competition again, definitely better to watch on TV. When we went to the Ryder Cup, I couldn't get over how little we saw, I was very disappointed. What I like about the Portugal Masters is there is plenty of room to actually see the golf and walk alongside the golfers. We were there for Shane Lowry's win and Padraig Harrington's win. Also, the nice weather and a few beers is nice too.

Its hard work going to see major golf tournaments now .
The ropes are generally too far back from the fairways and as a spectator you have to go the long way round to most holes and cant get proper access to others.

The Ryder Cup will have 50k spectators following 4 matches the first two days so that's on average 12,500 people following each match .
Its too many spectators for one to get a decent view ,you have to miss certain shots to get in position for others .

Seve OB · 06-09-2018 2:00pm

I've been to plenty of live golf and always enjoyed it. It is what it is, don't expect it to be like a football match where you can see absolutely everything. But like a football match where I always find it interesting to watch players off the ball that you usually wouldn't see on TV, tracking their movements, getting into position, shouting orders at teammates etc, at a golf event, obviously it's a bit different, but watch the players get to their ball and prep for their next shot, if you are close enough (very often are) try and listen in to caddy conversations discussing tactics, distance, shot options, layup options, stuff we don't always look out for as amateurs that maybe we should,, go and watch them on the range/putting green

Interesting that you have apparently never been to see live golf before and your first time is the Ryder Cup. Probably the worst tournament to go to for watching shots point of view, but easily the best for atmosphere. I was there for every minute of it from Friday Morning right through to Sunday evening when it was on in the K Club and given the chance again I would do it every single time.

Sure you don't get to see it all or anywhere near but you can always watch it back, so you wont miss any of the golf, but you will never get to soak up the atmosphere and experience, chatting to strangers, whispers going through the crowd that Tiger is not looking good on 16 with a ball in the water and Poulter is on the green in 2, the cheers going around when Europe clinch a hole with a miraculous chip in.....but for me it's the buzz about the place, a day out, the tented village sipping a pint watching the big screen then next minute they are just over the hedge from you so you down your drink and follow the group around for a few holes then jump over to the next pairing

Just go and Enjoy it

aka accounts 2010 · 06-09-2018 2:02pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

I’m heading over for the Ryder Cup and bought a ticket to the Saturday.

Usually live sport is infinitely better than on TV, especially in athletics and tennis, the 2 best sports I’ve seen live.

However with golf I have an awful feeling I will miss 95% of the action by actually being there, almost a bit like being at the Tour de France rather than watching it on TV.

What tips would you give so I can get the most out of the day? I want to see great golf in the flesh but still be able to follow how the actual competition is going.

All advice from those who have attended Ryder Cups would be appreciated.

Went to the RC in Gleneagles in 2014 and heading over to Paris this year (waiting on my Saturday and Sunday tickets to arrive in the post).

Gleneagles was excellent. You could buy headphones for £10. There was 2 channels on these - one was the Sky Sports coverage and the second was the on course commentary.

All the big screens on the fairways, greens, tented villages, bars etc had the Sky Sports coverage so you could always have an eye on what was happening. (The screens would go off when the players approached to avoid distraction).

Hoping something similar is set up in Paris.

You had the beauty of seeing the tv coverage while also being able to see live action.

Gleneagles was an incredible weekend, amazing atmosphere from early each morning and fantastic craic in the tented villages till' late.

dball · 06-09-2018 2:07pm

aka accounts 2010 wrote: »

You could buy headphones for £10. There was 2 channels on these - one was the Sky Sports coverage and the second was the on course commentary.

bring an old fm radio - you should be able to tune into any FM frequency.
or an android phone and headphones
save the €10
probably €20 if RC.

First Up · 06-09-2018 4:50pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

I’m heading over for the Ryder Cup and bought a ticket to the Saturday.

Usually live sport is infinitely better than on TV, especially in athletics and tennis, the 2 best sports I’ve seen live.

However with golf I have an awful feeling I will miss 95% of the action by actually being there, almost a bit like being at the Tour de France rather than watching it on TV.

What tips would you give so I can get the most out of the day? I want to see great golf in the flesh but still be able to follow how the actual competition is going.

All advice from those who have attended Ryder Cups would be appreciated.

I was Brookline, the Belfry and K Club so I can offer some advice based on experience. Enjoy the experience and the atmosphere but don't expect to see a lot of live golf.

The key thing is to plan. Study the course map and pick a couple of spots where you can watch all matches come through. Get in position well before - you can follow the action on the jumbo screens while you wait. Forget about following individual matches; there's only four out on the Friday and Saturday so the crowd is very condensed. A bit better on Sunday but not much.

Don't confine yourself to greensides. Its less congested on the fairways so pick a landing area for tee shots and watch them hit approaches.

Go to the practice days. You'll get much closer to the players and get a feel for strategy. I had a lovely chat with Sam Torrance at the Belfry on the Wednesday and he was great.

Its a long day and food can be an issue. I assume the French will cater properly but be prepared to pay. Brookline was dreadful - hot dogs and similar junk was all that was on offer. The Belfry and Straffan were better but expensive. Bring bananas, nuts and choccie bars.

Henry Ford III · 06-09-2018 5:49pm

I was at the Ryder Cup in Kiawah Island. It was brilliant. I feel old.

OffalyMedic · 06-09-2018 8:08pm

My tickets came yesterday for practice day and day 1. Can't wait to go now. Been to 2 Irish opens so understand we'll see very little live golf but buzzing to experience the atmosphere!

golfer79 · 06-09-2018 8:47pm

Announced today that Sergio has now entered the Portuguese Masters on the week prior to the Ryder Cup.

HighLine · 07-09-2018 9:36am

Good response here from Matt.

https://twitter.com/mattsjwallace/status/1037724129380720640

kopkidda · 07-09-2018 1:31pm

Good decision by Bjorn to include Garcia, he mightn't play until singles if his form stays like that but his experience will make up his lack of form on the golf course!! Also great to see Poulter get a pick aswell!

Wallace may have Fitzpatrick and Willett to thank for his omission.

PropJoe10 · 07-09-2018 2:29pm

kopkidda wrote: »

Good decision by Bjorn to include Garcia, he mightn't play until singles if his form stays like that but his experience will make up his lack of form on the golf course!! Also great to see Poulter get a pick aswell!

Wallace may have Fitzpatrick and Willett to thank for his omission.

If that's the case then Garcia would've been better as a vice captain. I'm never a big fan of someone going into a Ryder Cup with no form to speak of, but, hope he tears it up on the course!

Great to see Poulter back in the mix, for sure. Poulter/McIlroy could be a tasty pairing again.

Mantis Toboggan · 07-09-2018 4:01pm

Shuffles and finau going head to head for the final spot. Should be interesting.

Deeper Blue · 07-09-2018 10:50pm

So if Schauffele goes on and wins the BMW does Furyk take him or Finau? I do think Schauffele has to win and even if he does I still reckon Finau will get the nod.

Andrew Beef · 08-09-2018 6:45am

kopkidda wrote: »

Good decision by Bjorn to include Garcia, he mightn't play until singles if his form stays like that but his experience will make up his lack of form on the golf course!!

Why not pick Tony Jacklin so?

Pa8301 · 08-09-2018 6:50am

kopkidda wrote: »

Good decision by Bjorn to include Garcia, he mightn't play until singles if his form stays like that but his experience will make up his lack of form on the golf course!! Also great to see Poulter get a pick aswell!

Wallace may have Fitzpatrick and Willett to thank for his omission.

Garcia will in all probability play before the singles but if he doesn't it's a complete waste of a pick and he would have been better off being picked as a vice captain.

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