Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

muddle84 · 03-09-2018 8:02am

yaboya1 wrote: »

doc_17 wrote: »

Well done to Dublin winning the game today in a ground that they have already played in 8/9 times already this year against a team that played there today for the 2nd time this year.

Very poor.
You think you'd at least get your facts right first.

Just wondering which bit is incorrect? (I'm not arguing for or against any point btw) I just thought his numbers were right?

kilns · 03-09-2018 8:09am

Id say Ewan McKenna is currently writing his hate speech article as we speak, we should see it in the next few days, he is so predictable:D

blanch152 · 03-09-2018 8:10am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No excuses from me, just commenting on the game I saw.

Where you there?

It is not possible to offer a comment on "off-the-ball" actions from watching a match in your sitting-room as too much of it is missed by the immediate camera. You need to be at a game to be able to see what is going on.

At best therefore, your comments are uninformed.

blanch152 · 03-09-2018 8:11am

kilns wrote: »

Id say Ewan McKenna is currently writing his hate speech article as we speak, we should see it in the next few days, he is so predictable:D

His attempts to wind-up Tyrone and boost the siege mentality in his last article about Mickey Harte fell flat on their face.

Tombo2001 · 03-09-2018 8:34am

I watched the game on TV; hard to say in retrospect if Dublin were ever potentially 'in trouble'.

But for sure, when Tyrone went 5 - 1 up, I'm sure Dubs fans were a bit uncomfortable. A goal then for Tyrone would really have ruffled the Dubs.

But instead what we had was an absolutely incredible kick out from Cluxton to McCaffrey that led to a point from Kilkenny. For me it was the turning point in the game.

The other point, Darragh O'Se's column last wednesday I think called it very well; regarding how Tyrone play. His two points were
- they will go at you like a whirlwind for 15 or 20 minutes and hope to build up enough of a lead in that time to hold on for the rest of the game.
- back in 2007/08 they had the personnel to exploit that 15 -20 minutes and to hold on for the remainder; they dont now.

I think this describes the game really well yesterday, because for all the superlatives describing the Dubs, really Tyrone should have scored 6 or 7 points more than they actually did.

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 8:42am

blanch152 wrote: »

Where you there?

It is not possible to offer a comment on "off-the-ball" actions from watching a match in your sitting-room as too much of it is missed by the immediate camera. You need to be at a game to be able to see what is going on.

At best therefore, your comments are uninformed.

You could see it clearly on the telly for goodness sake. Smalls got caught red handed early in the game. You could see men with the tell tale slowness to react.
If you go to club football and follow your county team to matches, you know exactly what is going on.

I had a brother and brother in law at the game and they were commenting on whats app all during the game on it. My brother in law is from Ballinteer, and even he remarked on it.
We have also a few neutrals commenting on it here. So put the rose tinted glasses back in their case. You are not going to be believed.

blanch152 · 03-09-2018 8:47am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You could see it clearly on the telly for goodness sake. Smalls got caught red handed early in the game. You could see men with the tell tale slowness to react.
If you go to club football and follow your county team to matches, you know exactly what is going on.

I had a brother and brother in law at the game and they were commenting on whats app all during the game on it. My brother in law is from Ballinteer, and even he remarked on it.
We have also a few neutrals commenting on it here. So put the rose tinted glasses back in their case. You are not going to be believed.

So you weren't there and are relying on second-hand reports. Noted.

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 8:51am

blanch152 wrote: »

So you weren't there and are relying on second-hand reports. Noted.

Yeh, the lads had to tell me that Philly rugby tackled Cavanagh to the ground, Smalls wrapped his arms around a Tyrone player like he loved him, that again and again players were uncharacteristically slow to the ball etc etc.

You didn't get away with painting your side as saints, there are plenty saying the same as me, get over it.

Edgware · 03-09-2018 8:52am

Another Sam for Dublin. All that can stop them winning five is themselves and complacency.
I cant see that happening. There's a line of talent coming through that Jim Gavin can draw on so any "established" player really has to watch his back.
Its hard to see where the opposition is coming from as the usual contenders are a bit mixed up. Kerry will have a new manager, Mayo have pushed the self destruct button as usual, Mickey could call it a day in Tyrone. The Super 8 ( not that I saw any Super 8) suits Dublin as they are not getting any competition in Leinster

kilns · 03-09-2018 8:55am

They are all little petty things and Dublin can do it just as good as anyone if they want but the difference is teams like Tyrone have to do it to try and compete
Sometimes its the small things that go unnoticed which are the very sneaky things which teams like Tyrone are "very good" at. For example there was one example, when Rock lifted his jersey up and you could see a red mark on his body, that is from pinching hard which opposition players hope for a reaction from, everyone does it but when you see someone reacting out of nothing it usually those type of things which make them react. It is a sign of this Dublin team that they rarely react as they know they just have to wait and they will eventually will come out on top and get their revenge that way.
It was nice reading Saint Mickey in the Independent, saying its not sour grapes but...

yaboya1 · 03-09-2018 9:53am

muddle84 wrote: »

Just wondering which bit is incorrect? (I'm not arguing for or against any point btw) I just thought his numbers were right?

Tyrone weren't playing there for the 2nd time this year.

muddle84 · 03-09-2018 10:00am

yaboya1 wrote: »

muddle84 wrote: »

Just wondering which bit is incorrect? (I'm not arguing for or against any point btw) I just thought his numbers were right?

Tyrone weren't playing there for the 2nd time this year.

Of course!! They played in it in the Super 8's too. So they played three times in Croke Park this year?

blanch152 · 03-09-2018 10:02am

kilns wrote: »

They are all little petty things and Dublin can do it just as good as anyone if they want but the difference is teams like Tyrone have to do it to try and compete
Sometimes its the small things that go unnoticed which are the very sneaky things which teams like Tyrone are "very good" at. For example there was one example, when Rock lifted his jersey up and you could see a red mark on his body, that is from pinching hard which opposition players hope for a reaction from, everyone does it but when you see someone reacting out of nothing it usually those type of things which make them react. It is a sign of this Dublin team that they rarely react as they know they just have to wait and they will eventually will come out on top and get their revenge that way.
It was nice reading Saint Mickey in the Independent, saying its not sour grapes but...

The difference is some teams integrate the nasty stuff as essential parts of their gameplay. Tyrone are one of those.

Slattsy · 03-09-2018 10:36am

I had a 10er on Scully to score the first goal. Stupid Mannion scoring penalties and ruining my bet!

Just catching up on TSG now, what a game. The head isn't too bad either.

Really thought we controlled that game once we got the penalty, it was never in doubt.

yop · 03-09-2018 10:37am

Well done lads, better team all year and barely tested again yesterday. Can't see ye been beaten next year again unless the squad go on the beer for a year. Enjoy your celebrations.
Mayo to be the Offaly of the 80's

ProudDUB · 03-09-2018 11:19am

kilns wrote: »

Id say Ewan McKenna is currently writing his hate speech article as we speak, we should see it in the next few days, he is so predictable:D

No. They only ever let him use crayons on Mondays. It's for his own safety and the safety of all the other inmates.

EICVD · 03-09-2018 5:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Yeh, the lads had to tell me that Philly rugby tackled Cavanagh to the ground, Smalls wrapped his arms around a Tyrone player like he loved him, that again and again players were uncharacteristically slow to the ball etc etc.

You didn't get away with painting your side as saints, there are plenty saying the same as me, get over it.

Will you get his name right at least, it’s Small not Smalls!

EICVD · 03-09-2018 5:45pm

kilns wrote: »

They are all little petty things and Dublin can do it just as good as anyone if they want but the difference is teams like Tyrone have to do it to try and compete
Sometimes its the small things that go unnoticed which are the very sneaky things which teams like Tyrone are "very good" at. For example there was one example, when Rock lifted his jersey up and you could see a red mark on his body, that is from pinching hard which opposition players hope for a reaction from, everyone does it but when you see someone reacting out of nothing it usually those type of things which make them react. It is a sign of this Dublin team that they rarely react as they know they just have to wait and they will eventually will come out on top and get their revenge that way.
It was nice reading Saint Mickey in the Independent, saying its not sour grapes but...

McCanns early point, as he runs away he hits Mannion in the stomach, much more forceful than the Harte-Small incident. Delighted he gave the penalty away & was looking at Kilkennys arse for the rest of the game.

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 5:54pm

EICVD wrote: »

McCanns early point, as he runs away he hits Mannion in the stomach, much more forceful than the Harte-Small incident. Delighted he gave the penalty away & was looking at Kilkennys arse for the rest of the game.

It's 'McCann's' and 'Kilkenny's' actually, to be similarly pedantic.

EICVD · 03-09-2018 6:14pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's 'McCann's' and 'Kilkenny's' actually, to be similarly pedantic.

Tanx 4 ur input

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 6:20pm

EICVD wrote: »

Tanx 4 ur input

Dats very 'bigs' of you!

Joe Daly · 03-09-2018 6:32pm

Well done Dublin see Irish begrugary is at its best, its good to see the four in a row completed by two lienster teams this century in hurling football.

ProudDUB · 03-09-2018 6:37pm

U ok hunzos?

yobr · 03-09-2018 7:20pm

Hector Bellend wrote: »

When non Dublin GAA fans have used all of their excuses and have started clutching at straws to denigrate Dublins achievements, you know youre onto a winner.

Correct, there are a number on this forum who try and disguise their contempt for Dublin with their “analysis”. Anyone who disagrees is labled as “arrogant”.
They feel let down that Mickey Harte tactical genius came up short and there other last hope that “dublin only win by a point” didnt work either so they resort to snide remarks. The fact that Morgan gave us 1-2 seems lost on them.

blanch152 · 03-09-2018 7:30pm

EICVD wrote: »

McCanns early point, as he runs away he hits Mannion in the stomach, much more forceful than the Harte-Small incident. Delighted he gave the penalty away & was looking at Kilkennys arse for the rest of the game.

Who took out Mannion early on? It was 3-1 for Tyrone and Mannion ended up on the floor off the ball. I didn't see that incident.

Cavanagh should have got black before half-time and while Small made a meal of it, any strike to the face is a red card and Harte should have been off.

Slattsy · 03-09-2018 7:47pm

Ah they're a great bunch of lads. Love seeing them out in Crumlin and Temple St, you can really see the joy in the kids' faces, some kids who we all know are quite ill. It could be anyones little boy or girl..

And one other thing, it's certainly no chore or PR stuff with them, you can see they really want to be there, they know they are role models for a lot of young children, what this success entails is much more than what goes on in the pitch. Humbling stuff.

It makes me very emotional seeing it.

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 8:44pm

If the ref had black carded Small when he caught him taking a player out we might not have had so much of it.

BonnieSituation · 03-09-2018 8:58pm

If my aunty had balls...

STB. · 03-09-2018 8:58pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There was lots of off the ball stuff going on. Both teams were dragging pulling and blocking runs.

Smalls got pinged for it, Philly was at it all day and cost them a penalty. Tyrone did their share too.

It's a tired cliche now whenever Tyrone play that they are the only ones doing it.

Well Francie I was actually at the game and Tyrone were the ones constantly at it. At least 3 incidents happened in front of Conor Lane, were Dublin players passing the ball were taken out in third man tackles. And he ignored them. I suspect he had a handicap bet himself!

That and the encroachment shíte that Tyrone were at when Rock was taking the frees that were actually awarded.

I guess the Monaghan thread is quite this time of the year when the medals are handed out

The four in a row is made all the sweeter by green eyed monsters like you. Thanks for dropping by. Good Luck!!!!!

03-09-2018 9:13pm

yop wrote: »

Well done lads, better team all year and barely tested again yesterday. Can't see ye been beaten next year again unless the squad go on the beer for a year. Enjoy your celebrations.
Mayo to be the Offaly of the 80's

Yes, the best team of the year deservedly won this year's A.I.

We are definitely searching for a Seamus Darby type figure in Mayo in case it comes down to it.........

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 9:14pm

STB. wrote: »

Well Francie I was actually at the game and Tyrone were the ones constantly at it. At least 3 incidents happened in front of Conor Lane, were Dublin players passing the ball were taken out in third man tackles. And he ignored them. I suspect he had a handicap bet himself!

That and the encroachment shíte that Tyrone were at when Rock was taking the frees that were actually awarded.

I guess the Monaghan thread is quite this time of the year when the medals are handed out The four in a row is made all the sweeter by green eyed monsters like you. Thanks for dropping by. Good Luck!!!!!

Ah great, the ref was agin us.

You own players got pinged for it, several times, did I dream that? Both teams were at it. And do leopards change their spots in the space of a year, here youse were at the gamesmanship (up there with anything Tyrone have done) last year.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/watch-dublin-forward-interfering-with-mayo-goalkeepers-kicking-tees-806672.html

Not to mention what went on before that.

Ken Tucky · 03-09-2018 9:17pm

Slattsy wrote: »

Ah they're a great bunch of lads. Love seeing them out in Crumlin and Temple St, you can really see the joy in the kids' faces, some kids who we all know are quite ill. It could be anyones little boy or girl..

And one other thing, it's certainly no chore or PR stuff with them, you can see they really want to be there, they know they are role models for a lot of young children, what this success entails is much more than what goes on in the pitch. Humbling stuff.

It makes me very emotional seeing it.

Watching some coverage today. I was too tired last night. James McCarthy was being interviewed on the pitch straight after the game and his voice was breaking with emotion. He was so proud of his team mates...didn't mention what they achieved so much. He was just so happy to be part of it all....

Damn fella had tears welling up in my own eyes listening to him.

Special times, special team. It's great to witness it.

Bonniedog · 03-09-2018 9:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If the ref had black carded Small when he caught him taking a player out we might not have had so much of it.

Small took a punch to the face. Not suggesting that this be dragged up as a disciplinary matter but it was sending off offence.

Dessie Dolan thought there was "no real intent." Well, I've punched people and been punched and it is rarely unintentional!

Anyway, all Meath had to do to get Dessie to bottle that famous free that would have marked an historic victory was for Meath backs to glower at him

He was no Dean Rock or Gooch for sure.

Ken Tucky · 03-09-2018 9:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ah great, the ref was agin us.

You own players got pinged for it, several times, did I dream that? Both teams were at it. And do leopards change their spots in the space of a year, here youse were at the gamesmanship (up there with anything Tyrone have done) last year.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/sport/watch-dublin-forward-interfering-with-mayo-goalkeepers-kicking-tees-806672.html

Not to mention what went on before that.

Ah stop now. Tyrone got away with a lot of blocking yesterday. If you were in the stadium you would have seen it. The only person who didn't was Lane..or he chose not to see it.
Better team won. Let's leave it there. No need for this sh*ite

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 9:22pm

Ken Tucky wrote: »

Ah stop now. Tyrone got away with a lot of blocking yesterday. If you were in the stadium you would have seen it. The only person who didn't was Lane..or he chose not to see it.
Better team won. Let's leave it there. No need for this sh*ite

I said BOTH sides were at it. And I said the better side won and congratulated youse.

Jesus.

Grandeeod · 03-09-2018 9:25pm

Some raging hangover today lads and I very rarely have them. Work was one serious struggle. So I watched it with the country folk and while I thought I'd be the stand out Dub in a jersey, nope, a Tyrone native appeared out of nowhere with a local crew and got all the attention for at least 19 minutes.:D He didn't take it very well but was gracious in defeat. I may pop back in to discuss the match, but only when the bitter types have given up. While I'm a long time reader here, I got involved more this year, but there's still a lot of real haters hiding behind the faux analysis.

Fann Linn · 03-09-2018 10:06pm

Bonniedog wrote: »

Small took a punch to the face. Not suggesting that this be dragged up as a disciplinary matter but it was sending off offence.

Dessie Dolan thought there was "no real intent." Well, I've punched people and been punched and it is rarely unintentional!

Anyway, all Meath had to do to get Dessie to bottle that famous free that would have marked an historic victory was for Meath backs to glower at him He was no Dean Rock or Gooch for sure.

Watched the game again just now and nothing better than Dessie creamin' himself when the Dubs are on the ropes after 15 minutes.

And then having to eat humble pie 77 minutes later.

blanch152 · 03-09-2018 10:50pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I said BOTH sides were at it. And I said the better side won and congratulated youse.

Jesus.

I haven't seen any analyst agree with you.

All said that Cavanagh should have seen black, and most that Harte should have got a red.

Both incidents were before half-time. It wasn't both sides, it was Tyrone.

Don't worry, Dublin are well used to it. Monaghan, Galway, Donegal etc. try it all the time. We don't let it bother us, we just get up and play football and win the game.

Sheep breeder · 03-09-2018 11:01pm

Fann Linn wrote: »

Watched the game again just now and nothing better than Dessie creamin' himself when the Dubs are on the ropes after 15 minutes.

And then having to eat humble pie 77 minutes later.

In all fairness Dessie would bore a dead man with the sh,,e he goes on with. Didn’t think intent was involved and he has raised his hand. RTE are getting poorer year in year out with the clowns on the football, surly there is few that could have retired with Michael like that clown Carney and Dessie and get rid of dub in the studio.

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 11:07pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I haven't seen any analyst agree with you.

All said that Cavanagh should have seen black, and most that Harte should have got a red.

Both incidents were before half-time. It wasn't both sides, it was Tyrone.

Don't worry, Dublin are well used to it. Monaghan, Galway, Donegal etc. try it all the time. We don't let it bother us, we just get up and play football and win the game.

And what had the 'analysts' to say about Small getting booked for an off the ball block, Philly giving away a penalty for a pull down and Small getting a red? They were not the only incidents either.

No argument on the Cavanagh incident or the Harte one either. Both sides were at it as I keep saying.

Stoner · 03-09-2018 11:28pm

Deleted User wrote:

We are definitely searching for a Seamus Darby type figure in Mayo in case it comes down to it.........

It will most likely (and deservedly) be Mayo if it's done.

Another fantastic team , one that would have asked more questions yesterday, genuinely more as in multiple ones than Tyrone.

I think the Mayo management situation might suit Dublin as the new Mayo man will have to bed in. There was a chance for one last push from a fresh foundation. I'm not sure if it's there now. I wonder if the lads on the board that showed no support had a plan.

When Dublin played Kerry and Mayo there were battles lost and won on the field, Dublin just won a fraction more.

I thought the Dublin line got it wrong last year by not introducing MDMA to do to mayo what he did in 2016 and to Tyrone yesterday.

But yesterday so many of the Tyrone big players were nullified. It was TOSs hammer the hammer well executed.

Sludden, Cavanagh, McCann, Donnelly were either marked or avoided it was one of Gavin's best set of match ups .

Matty Donnelly had so little impact on the game.
You'd have to think Cavanagh hurt his leg early on.

However after the first goal when Rock stuck the two points when Cavanagh was playing sweeper showed how to play around him, they played through him and around him.

You'd have to think that a different team would target Dublin's lack of height and dodgyness under the high ball better.

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 11:38pm

Stoner wrote: »

It will most likely (and deservedly) be Mayo if it's done.

Another fantastic team , one that would have asked more questions yesterday, genuinely more as in multiple ones than Tyrone.

I think the Mayo management situation might suit Dublin as the new Mayo man will have to bed in. There was a chance for one last push from a fresh foundation. I'm not sure if it's there now. I wonder if the lads on the board that showed no support had a plan.

When Dublin played Kerry and Mayo there were battles lost and won on the field, Dublin just won a fraction more.

I thought the Dublin line got it wrong last year by not introducing MDMA to do to mayo what he did in 2016 and to Tyrone yesterday.

But yesterday so many of the Tyrone big players were nullified. It was TOSs hammer the hammer well executed.

Sludden, Cavanagh, McCann, Donnelly were either marked or avoided it was one of Gavin's best set of match ups .

Matty Donnelly had so little impact on the game.
You'd have to think Cavanagh hurt his leg early on.

However after the first goal when Rock stuck the two points when Cavanagh was playing sweeper showed how to play around him, they played through him and around him.

You'd have to think that a different team would target Dublin's lack of height and dodgyness under the high ball better.

Cavanagh off the boil had nothing to do with match ups or Gavin.
He was missing in action completely yesterday.
Watch him in the clip were McCaffery is coming at him and is offloading to Kilkenny - he was all at sea.

Harte simply didn't instruct or the Tyrone team didn't work out to put more ball into him when he went into full forward.
As it was they got a penalty, a point from a free which could have been a goal chance had a man not got himself sent off, simply because he was in there.

Stoner · 03-09-2018 11:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote:

Cavanagh off the boil had nothing to do with match ups or Gavin. He was missing in action completely yesterday. Watch him in the clip were McCaffery is coming at him and is offloading to Kilkenny - he was all at sea.

I think his knee was bunched, as mentioned. But they went at and around him yesterday.

FrancieBrady · 03-09-2018 11:52pm

Stoner wrote: »

I think his knee was bunched, as mentioned. But they went at and around him yesterday.

They did. And it was a surprise that Harte waited so long to move him tbh.

DoctaDee · 04-09-2018 6:21am

Bonniedog wrote: »

..

Dessie Dolan thought there was "no real intent." Well, I've punched people and been punched and it is rarely unintentional!

Anyway, all Meath had to do to get Dessie to bottle that famous free that would have marked an historic victory was for Meath backs to glower at him He was no Dean Rock or Gooch for sure.

Cant believe that was 15 years ago, my one and only time up in the corporates - Dolan's missed free and all of a sudden the pints turned to curd like milk left out in the sun ..

ProudDUB · 04-09-2018 7:42am

Bonniedog wrote: »

Small took a punch to the face. Not suggesting that this be dragged up as a disciplinary matter but it was sending off offence.

Dessie Dolan thought there was "no real intent." Well, I've punched people and been punched and it is rarely unintentional!

Anyway, all Meath had to do to get Dessie to bottle that famous free that would have marked an historic victory was for Meath backs to glower at him He was no Dean Rock or Gooch for sure.

Dessie Dolan is from the Martin 'There was no malice in it Ger' Carney School of Broadcasting. There is never any intent in anything, as far as he is concerned. :rolleyes:

blanch152 · 04-09-2018 8:20am

Stoner wrote: »

You'd have to think that a different team would target Dublin's lack of height and dodgyness under the high ball better.

The problem with targetting Dublin's lack of height and dodginess under the high ball is that you have to leave two full-forwards up top.

At least one of them has to be a tower and the other able to deal with breaking ball - otherwise you won't get any return from the high balls. Give Dublin five minutes to reorganise and they will double-team a single full-forward and nullify him.

Then, if you leave two up top, then you can't have 15 behind the ball when Dublin attack. You get situations like the last two points on Sunday when Dublin could break away. If necessary, Dublin could have had goals in injury time.

Bonniedog · 04-09-2018 9:16am

As others have said, Mayo have been only team to seriously come close to beating Dublin since 2013. Kerry took handsome leads in 2013 and 2016 but folded eventually in same manner as Tyrone on Sunday.

Interesting nerdlinger fact is that Mayo are only team to have shaded Dublin in at least two big games on possession. That was based on their aggression and discipline. Not sure if they can attain those heights again. If Jimmy gets the gig, they may forget about it.

Bonniedog · 04-09-2018 9:17am

Question for victims of County Board meetings:

Could Connolly play for Vinnies for remainder of championship?

Tombo2001 · 04-09-2018 9:31am

Bonniedog wrote: »

As others have said, Mayo have been only team to seriously come close to beating Dublin since 2013. Kerry took handsome leads in 2013 and 2016 but folded eventually in same manner as Tyrone on Sunday.

Interesting nerdlinger fact is that Mayo are only team to have shaded Dublin in at least two big games on possession. That was based on their aggression and discipline. Not sure if they can attain those heights again. If Jimmy gets the gig, they may forget about it.

I think you are looking for answers where they dont exist.

Mayo competing with Dublin was based on Mayo having players as good as the Dubs.

There is no one on the Tyrone team that can compare with Lee Keegan, Andy Moran, Keith Higgins, the O'Sheas.

Dublin GAA Discussion Thread - Capital Punishment

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