Removal of Change Reciepts on Dublin Bus Services.

howiya · 23-08-2018 08:17PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Is the Maxol garage across the road from it not an outlet?

Not according to the leap website

ohnonotgmail · 23-08-2018 08:39PM

howiya wrote: »

I've never seen a spar near the roundabout at Artane Castle. Where is it exactly?

you do know there is a map on the leapcard websites of all its agents? Probably easier if you just look it up

devnull · 23-08-2018 08:42PM

Robert ninja wrote: »

There's not much to store and I don't know exactly what process they use but I can't imagine that DB do no not know where and when their cards are used. All you need is a timestamp and # ID that relates back to one of their bus stops which they have a database for at HQ.

Well Dublin Bus ticket machines hold only 1MB of RAM and 1MB of storage and that's not just to store transaction information, it's also to store the transaction data and configuration detail, backup recovery, operating system, application software and programmable data which is practically nothing.

doubt DB have anything even close to what other companies do but it's data that is stored and sold

What proof do you have that DB are selling peoples data?

Dravokivich · 23-08-2018 08:44PM

Robert ninja wrote: »

There's not much to store and I don't know exactly what process they use but I can't imagine that DB do no not know where and when their cards are used. All you need is a timestamp and # ID that relates back to one of their bus stops which they have a database for at HQ.

I doubt DB have anything even close to what other companies do but it's data that is stored and sold, so them making moves to inconvenience cash users and further push their electronic card system is simply unfavourable to me as a DB customer. Saw the thread in latest posts.

No because a €2.50 cash fare is a €2.50 cash fare. Where as leap card use is €2.50 fare by user #8813717

There really is very little to gain by all that. You are better off just leaving your mobile phone with someone else if you are worried about someone tracking you and page'em whenever you need it.

gctest50 · 23-08-2018 08:50PM

Robert ninja wrote: »

There's not much to store and I don't know exactly what process they use but I can't imagine that DB do no not know where and when their cards are used. All you need is a timestamp and # ID that relates back to one of their bus stops which they have a database for .....,....

You'll have to use a car then won't ya

but then you'll have a big ID number on the front and back of the car

ED E · 23-08-2018 08:50PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Robert Troy complaining about this happening before a cashless system is introduced.

What's Leap?

I despair

When was this / do we have a voxpop of it?

Stephen15 · 23-08-2018 08:53PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you do know there is a map on the leapcard websites of all its agents? Probably easier if you just look it up

There are some shops that aren't listed on the Leap website as agents which do top ups. Eg one the petrol stations near my house isin't listed but does do top ups

ebbsy · 23-08-2018 08:55PM

I top up at Luas stops ? It's easy.

Stephen15 · 23-08-2018 08:57PM

gctest50 wrote: »

You'll have to use a car then won't ya

but then you'll have a big ID number on the front and back of the car

It's all part of the new world orders plan to take us all over first fluoride in our water, vacines and chemtrails now leap cards

BarryD2 · 23-08-2018 09:05PM

howiya wrote: »

You can still use cash. Just don't expect to get change.

So it's really like they're openly robbing you. Imagine going into the newsagent and buying a paper (who does that now) - you offer up your €10 note for the €2 paper and the cashier says Grand, thanks - now piss off!

Stephen15 · 23-08-2018 09:06PM

Robert ninja wrote: »

No because a €2.50 cash fare is a €2.50 cash fare. Where as leap card use is €2.50 fare by user #8813717

Cash fares have the date, time and bus route number on them. They are processed in the exact same manner as leap transactions.

GM228 · 23-08-2018 09:07PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

It's all part of the new world orders plan to take us all over first fluoride in our water, vacines and chemtrails now leap cards

There's a new book coming - "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion the NTA".

howiya · 23-08-2018 09:11PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you do know there is a map on the leapcard websites of all its agents? Probably easier if you just look it up

I’ve seen the map. Hence why I used Artane Castle as an example.

There is still no Spar at the roundabout at Artane Castle.

I’ve since been advised that the Maxol does have a payzone facility. However it’s not on the map so you wouldn’t know to go there.

Stephen15 · 23-08-2018 09:12PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

So it's really like they're openly robbing you. Imagine going into the newsagent and buying a paper (who does that now) - you offer up your €10 note for the €2 paper and the cashier says Grand, thanks - now piss off!

Businesses afaik are not legally obliged to give change. It's not theft, if it was then parking meters would have to give change if you overpay for parking ticket or change redemption voucher which can be redeemed at the council headquarters which is not the case.

Stephen15 · 23-08-2018 09:16PM

howiya wrote: »

I’ve seen the map. Hence why I used Artane Castle as an example.

There is still no Spar at the roundabout at Artane Castle.

I’ve since been advised that the Maxol does have a payzone facility. However it’s not on the map so you wouldn’t know to go there.

There is a Spar which is a short walk from Artane Castle according to Google maps

GM228 · 23-08-2018 09:22PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Businesses afaik are not legally obliged to give change. It's not theft, if it was then parking meters would have to give change if you overpay for parking ticket or change redemption voucher which can be redeemed at the council headquarters which is not the case.

Correct, there is no legal entitlement to change, providing change is nothing more than a courtesy, if they choose to keep your change then though.

It all comes under the legal principles involving invitation to treat and settlement of debt amongst other things. It can be a hard one for people to get their heads around.

Allinall · 23-08-2018 09:22PM

BarryD2 wrote: »

So it's really like they're openly robbing you. Imagine going into the newsagent and buying a paper (who does that now) - you offer up your €10 note for the €2 paper and the cashier says Grand, thanks - now piss off!

No.

The conversation would be:

“Here’s €10”

“Sorry, I’ve no change. Your options are to pay €10 for the newspaper , or put it back and be on your way”.

No robbing involved at all.

punisher5112 · 23-08-2018 09:24PM

All I can say is please pray for me on the 9th as I won't be able for the ones moaning they want their 5 cent change.....

ohnonotgmail · 23-08-2018 09:26PM

howiya wrote: »

I’ve seen the map. Hence why I used Artane Castle as an example.

There is still no Spar at the roundabout at Artane Castle.

I’ve since been advised that the Maxol does have a payzone facility. However it’s not on the map so you wouldn’t know to go there.

you need to look harder

Spar Artane
3 Mornington Park
Malahide Road
Artane
Co Dublin
Dublin 5

10 minutes from artane castle

Stephen15 · 23-08-2018 09:35PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

All I can say is please pray for me on the 9th as I won't be able for the ones moaning they want their 5 cent change.....

Just issue them their ticket and be done with it I say. Don't bother with the overpayment slip as it sounds like a waste of time.

devnull · 23-08-2018 09:38PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Just issue them their ticket and be done with it I say. Don't bother with the overpayment slip as it sounds like a waste of time.

Will have to because if you don't the cash versus the ticket machines will be out and if that happens a lot then there is a chance that someone will pocket the difference.

Stephen15 · 23-08-2018 09:40PM

devnull wrote: »

Will have to because if you don't the cash versus the ticket machines will be out and if that happens a lot then there is a chance that someone will pocket the difference.

When I used to pay cash before leap cards were introduced drivers often wouldn't give the vouchers particularly if it was an amount under 5c

devnull · 23-08-2018 09:42PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

When I used to pay cash before leap cards were introduced drivers often wouldn't give the vouchers particularly if it was an amount under 5c

Sure but not declaring cash and not tallying it up on the ticket machine is just asking for all kinds of fraud when it comes to money which is why they are issuing the tickets the way they are at the moment, they want to ensure that all change that is collected is documented.

Same reason as in the UK a lot of train station retailers which had a non scanned loyalty card had the policy that if you don't get a receipt your order is free, to stop them running a loyalty discount through, charging the customer the full price and pocketing the difference.

daheff · 23-08-2018 09:57PM

punisher5112 wrote: »

???

Costs lower tends to mean better profit¿??!!

obviously

daheff · 23-08-2018 10:00PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Businesses afaik are not legally obliged to give change. It's not theft, if it was then parking meters would have to give change if you overpay for parking ticket or change redemption voucher which can be redeemed at the council headquarters which is not the case.

no, there is no obligation to provide change. but people wouldn't go back to a shop if they got no change.... they'd go to another.

however in the case where there is no alternative this just becomes a defacto price increase for those who have no change. Regulator should be saying stop to this.

punisher5112 · 23-08-2018 10:17PM

daheff wrote: »

obviously

Well duh.....

I know that but why was my post taken out to highlight this when I stated that fact already.....

punisher5112 · 23-08-2018 10:18PM

daheff wrote: »

no, there is no obligation to provide change. but people wouldn't go back to a shop if they got no change.... they'd go to another.

however in the case where there is no alternative this just becomes a defacto price increase for those who have no change. Regulator should be saying stop to this.

Why the whole point is to speed it all up.

They are doing things slowly as the Irish don't seem to like change from the comments I see here.

Robert ninja · 23-08-2018 10:19PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

Cash fares have the date, time and bus route number on them. They are processed in the exact same manner as leap transactions.

Tied to no ID.

devnull wrote: »

What proof do you have that DB are selling peoples data?

I didn't only say selling, I said storing it insecurely. Read any technology related news? Can't turn your head without a big leak story or companies trading data. If they're storing it you can safely assume that as a profit-based company that they're using it for profit, which includes selling it. My problem is them removing options for you to avoid this. Leap cards are fine since they're optional but I think eventually they won't be and they already charge premium for using cash.

ohnonotgmail · 23-08-2018 10:25PM

Robert ninja wrote: »

Tied to no ID.

I dont remember providing ID when i bought my leap card. I only top up at luas machines. how exactly are they tracking me?

Robert ninja · 23-08-2018 10:34PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I dont remember providing ID when i bought my leap card. I only top up at luas machines. how exactly are they tracking me?

Already explained it. Shadow profiles. Eg if you login to another gmail account on your home laptop/whatever then they'll just bind those 2 seperate emails as the same person (unless their AI correctly guesses it's really 2 people). I could post more but not the right thread about it. Point is, I don't appreciate further limiting cash options from DB.

Removal of Change Reciepts on Dublin Bus Services.

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