Sweden Riots

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I don't know, you brought up something about unwashed and underwear?


Do you also make fun of them in person, or just spouting off on internet forums?


I even know what a tracker mortgage is.
As for fake outrage, well, you seem to enjoy our little back and forths, would hate to disappoint you.
#itsonlyafcukinghandshake

I'm afraid I am disappointed. You've ignored the points and conceded the argument.

Bootlegger wrote: »

Do I move to Japan and refuse to bow? No because it's their culture and it's up to me to respect it if I want to live there.

If I offer you my hand and you refuse to shake it then you have insulted me. If you are a fresh off the boat Muslim and you don't understand the culture, fine, but after awhile you need to start integrating.

Amazing how liberals, who preach gender equality and secularism, fold instantly when it comes to Islam.

You're easily insulted so.

tuxy wrote: »

What happened here?(starting 4:11 where they had called the police after their camera man was run over by a migrant)

The police were worried about going into an area because their presence would be provocative.
All members of the crew filming ended up getting assaulted.


Do you know anything about that area? Was the story somehow fabricated by the film crew?

Ok well a camera crew rocking up to Rinkeby and filming the locals is not going to be welcomed by some of them and the producers would have known that before going there if they talked to anyone in Sweden. Imagine if RTE went into Southhill in Limerick (which btw looks far FAR worse than Rinkeby and has far higher rates of murder, car burning, joy riding, poverty and general social deprivation and decay and the inhabitants are all or mostly native Irish) and started filming some of the locals. How do you think that would go down?

Yes the police didn't want to go in with a film crew because it would be seen as provocative, is that surprising given the information you learned about the area? you saw there was police there anyway so obviously they have no issues with being there, they just didn't want to be seen with camera crews.

Of course it's not right and there is no excuse for assaults and hostility to anyone, but this area has long been the subject of political discussion in Sweden and has gotten a bad reputation because of the social problems that beset it. The locals are sensitive to this and some will take issue with camera crews that are obviously there to report yet again only the bad things that go on there.

I've never been to Rinkeby by it looks similar to most other suburbs in Sweden with very high immigrant populations. I believe it's one of the million programme areas -a very ambitious building programme undertaken by the Soc Dems in the in the 1960's and 70s where property taxes from a thriving post war economy funded the building of over 1 million apartments and houses in suburban areas to house blue collar workers and students, not originally immigrants-they came later.
They were no Ballymuns- they had a good range of services and amenities-hospitals, play areas, shops, schools, creches etc and were built to a high standard and had a mix of tenants. They look a bit uniform in uninspiring in design but have survived pretty well to today.

Irish Government should take note-this is how you build on a large scale for social housing.

The problems started when white Swedes moved out of these million programme working class areas like Rinkeby and joined the middle classes in the cities. Large scale immigration began to service a growing economy (similar to what happened in Germany) and the powers that be decided to put all these new arrivals into these areas. The economy stagnated, many lost their jobs and the areas turned into ghettos where second and third generations have grown up with high unemployment, lack of opportunities and social marginalisation.

Most of the problems-the looting, burning cars in these areas are actually not done by newly arrived immigrants, they are the second generation of immigrants born in Sweden who feel locked out of the prosperity that white Swedes enjoy.

As to your last question, no I don't think there was a fabrication but the film crew called Rinkeby a no-go area, and as I have shown that is actually not the case. They seemed to go there to get their prejudices confirmed, not with an open mind. They asked the opinion of a Swedish guy that is known to have a far right agenda against immigrants so hardly balanced reporting. I think it was a cynical exercise, they wanted to provoke a reaction there and they got what they wanted.

Why didn't they meet with some local representative in a less public area and ask their opinions of what's going on there and what is being done to address the problems? no, that wouldn't make headline news and be good for their ratings. I'd like to see the rest of the programme- any links to that?

Kivaro wrote: »

So here's the deal with Sweden.
Since 2015, 18% of the current population was born outside the country. They have accepted 600,000 "refugees" in the last 5 years. This is unsustainable and there is now push back. Many in the country now believe that such immigration numbers is a danger to their welfare state e.g. Swedes have to wait longer to get access to welfare staples like hospital care.

The Social Democrats caused this to happen, and as a result, their 100 year dominance of the political establishment will end in September if Swedes vote for the Nationalist party. It makes complete sense e.g. why would you surrender your access to the services that you were use to; irrespective of your good nature of welcoming all who want to come to the country. I will not mention the drastic increase in assaults against the female population of the country and crime in general since the recent change of the demographic.

There is a tiny vocal minority in Ireland who want to replicate the Swedish experiment of open borders. It will not work.
If the Swedish Democrats succeed in September then this will be a major blow to Sinn Fein's open border policy, but it is also verifies the natural order of things ..... sense eventually prevails.

Do you live there? have you lived there? can you provide sources for your information please.

Drastic increase in assaults on females? I go there several times a year and have never in all the years I've lived there and visited-over twenty years now, have I EVER felt unsafe there. Yes there are problems in some of the suburbs but they are still nothing like you find some other countries in Europe like France for example. I would be cautious of going to places like Rinkeby, Angered, Biskopsgården on my own, but Swedes don't generally go to these areas tbh and neither did I when I lived there or when I visit as they are all out in the suburbs and I have no reason to go there.

Of course you might find trouble if you go looking for it but in general problems are confined to these suburban areas. The city centres are very safe for me as a woman to walk around. I feel far safer in Gothenburg or Stockholm than Dublin, I can tell you that.

Also- the police there state most of the anti-social problems are caused not by newly arrived refugees and immigrants but by second and third generation immigrants that are growing up disaffected and marginalised.

Bootlegger wrote: »

I don't believe for one second you wouldn't be insulted if someone refused to shake your hand.

Why would i be? I have had a handshake refused and have refused to shake hands with some people. As i said before you must be very easily insulted if having a handshake refused makes you feel insulted.

Bootlegger wrote: »

A handshake is a basic sign of respect between between two people. Refuse to shake hands and I think you are rude and ignorant. But you know that. You are giving the woman in Sweden a free pass just because she is a Muslim.

No it's not its a form of greeting!

I wonder if a Christian man refused to shake hands with a woman would you be so accomadating?

I wouldn't care!

If a person has so little respect for the customs of their host country, maybe they should move somewhere else?

I hate GAA, rarely drink and dislike drunks hugging me. Should i change this when in Dublin?

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I hate GAA, rarely drink and dislike drunks hugging me. Should i change this when in Dublin?

No because the culture or this civilised country is to allow people to get up to what they want to. Its apples and oranges compared to showing a bit of respect and goodwill.

If we met for an interview, I would not expect you to play GAA (even care about it!), be a heavy drinker and certainly not wanting to hug me...

I would expect though as is per normal, that you would shake my hand in a gesture of politeness so I don't think you're going to be a pain in the arsé to deal with...

Corb_lund wrote: »

No because the culture or this civilised country is to allow people to get up to what they want to. Its apples and oranges compared to showing a bit of respect and goodwill.

If we met for an interview, I would not expect you to play GAA (even care about it!), be a heavy drinker and certainly not wanting to hug me...

I would expect though as is per normal, that you would shake my hand in a gesture of politeness so I don't think you're going to be a pain in the arsé to deal with...

Contradicting yourself there a little.

Corb_lund wrote: »

Sorry pedant should have spelled it out clearer for you...

Playing GAA/getting sloshed/getting hugged/ doing whatever in your own time ...

..is in no way comparable to exchanging a recognised form of respect during an interview..

Yet irish people get drunk talk GAA and try to hug me all the time when p1ssed, because it's seen as a social norm and "part of living in Ireland" are you saying i should allow this?

One persons social norm wether its hugging strangers while drunk or a simple handshake is an intrusion into personal space for others.

And please show evidence that a handshake is a "recognised form of respect".

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

If you regard a "simple handshake" as an "intrusion", unless you have serious dermatological or psychological issues, you have, well eh, serious issues.

I dont consider it an intrusion, thats not to say others don't.

That's what is the "social norm" is in our part of the world. By rejecting it, you're rejecting our norm, ergo, rejecting the notion you would integrate.

So is getting drunk and hugging strangers, should i just accept this as a way if life when in Dublin? If i refuse to let some drunken gobsh1te hug me and talk crap in my ear for an hour does that mean i am also not intergrating?