Sweden Riots

enricoh · 17-08-2018 08:54PM

So Muslim women can't shake a man's hand. Ffs, and people wonder why they don't integrate.

It must be a barrel of laughs in the office tiptoeing around their cultural sensitivities!

RandomName2 · 17-08-2018 08:58PM

enricoh wrote: »

So Muslim women can't shake a man's hand. Ffs, and people wonder why they don't integrate.

It must be a barrel of laughs in the office tiptoeing around their cultural sensitivities!

If a sufficient number of conservative religious people such as the one in this case were present in an office environment they would press for segregation. They fundamentally disapprove of men and women working in the same environment. Does it count as progressive if it comes from a non-Christian ultra-conservative?

4068ac1elhodqr · 17-08-2018 09:06PM

Anyway that's the value gone for backing the Swe Dem, from 2.1+ last week to just 1.57 today.

Come Sept 9th, it's somewhat likely the Soc Dem's can expect their worst performance since about 1912.

dr.fuzzenstein · 17-08-2018 09:07PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

There is a correct way to behave. The correct way to behave is to shake someone's hand. Not doing so is deeply offensive. She felt that her personal beliefs trumped causing offense - and that's her perogative. Just don't expect people not to get offended when you do it!

You find it deeply offensive if someone doesn't shake your hand?
I would suggest medication and therapy.

malinheader · 17-08-2018 09:13PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

You find it deeply offensive if someone doesn't shake your hand?
I would suggest medication and therapy.

More like the person who can't shake your hand because of personal beliefs needs medication or therapy

RandomName2 · 17-08-2018 09:18PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

You find it deeply offensive if someone doesn't shake your hand?
I would suggest medication and therapy.

Or being spat on, called a ginger mick/paddy, told to use the back door, and a couple of other things too. But nah, no medication or rehabilitative therapy would be needed for any of those, after all, what physical harm's done?

Do you feel that the interviewer was not allowed to get offended because they were white? For the record, I think she should be perfectly entitled to behave as she wants. I just think that in the spirit of egalitarianism that that same right should be extended to the interviewer. You seem to be saying that her beliefs and feelings were superior to that of the interviewer, and I am curious what would make you feel this way.

RandomName2 · 17-08-2018 09:20PM

malinheader wrote: »

More like the person who can't shake your hand because of personal beliefs needs medication or therapy

Look man, you weren't there when God said that unmarried men and women can never be in close physical proximity.

Neither was most of the planet it seems.

enricoh · 17-08-2018 09:21PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And do what? Grab her hand and force her to shake yours? Maybe with a haughty "that's how we do this here and so will you!"
I mean ferfcuksake she didn't want to shake hands for whatever reasons and the usual howler monkeys are jumping up and down about it. What if someone has asperger and physical contact drives them nuts? Or someone just isn't into it?
You cannot force physical contact onto someone who doesn't want it for whatever fcuking reason.
Someone has a problem with that, THEY are the problem.

So because the Muslim woman isn't allowed shake the interviewers hand due to her religion not allowing it, It's the interviewers fault!
Not the stuck in the dark ages religion she follows. Although she may stick with it, God only knows what would happen her if she tried to ditch Islam.
Legendary stuff doctor, keep telling opposing posters to get the pills n therapy!

mynamejeff · 17-08-2018 09:33PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

You find it deeply offensive if someone doesn't shake your hand?
I would suggest medication and therapy.

i would find it offensive if some one ignored a handshake offered in friendship , its disrespectful to me personally an culturally.

I am happy to remove my shoes when entering a mosque or temple showing respect to anothers religion or culture as long as they do like wise

dr.fuzzenstein · 17-08-2018 09:34PM

enricoh wrote: »

So because the Muslim woman isn't allowed shake the interviewers hand due to her religion not allowing it, It's the interviewers fault!
Not the stuck in the dark ages religion she follows. Although she may stick with it, God only knows what would happen her if she tried to ditch Islam.
Legendary stuff doctor, keep telling opposing posters to get the pills n therapy!

And I am not a fan of religion in general.*
But, if someone doesn't want to shake hands, what is the correct way of dealing with it?
Throw a big baby strop over it? Try to change their religious view there and then? Physically grab them and force them to shake hands?
Or just accept that this person for whatever reason doesn't shake hands with me?
Seems you're the one who has a hangup about religion.

* well, some of the Nordic and pre-christian religions are interesting and the far eastern religions and philosophies are quite beautiful.

RandomName2 · 17-08-2018 09:39PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And I am not a fan of religion in general.
But, if someone doesn't want to shake hands, what is the correct way of dealing with it?
Throw a big baby strop over it? Try to change their religious view there and then? Physically grab them and force them to shake hands?
Or just accept that this person for whatever reason doesn't shake hands with me?
Seems you're the one who has a hangup about religion.

How about 'thanks, bye. You're not going to be considered for the job'

Seems reasonable enough to me.

You haven't made a terribly convincing case that it wasn't, and a ~little suspicion~ I have is that you wouldn't care about this case if religion weren't at the crux of it.

Sand · 17-08-2018 09:39PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

i would find it offensive if some one ignored a handshake offered in friendship , its disrespectful to me personally an culturally.

I am happy to remove my shoes when entering a mosque or temple showing respect to anothers religion or culture as long as they do like wise

Yes, I think that's key. Respect flows both ways. If you enter a mosque and the norms are to remove your shoes, you do so even if it is inconvenient. If you enter Swedish society and the norms are to shake someones hand, you do so even if its inconvenient.

I doubt the good Dr would be in favour of trampling all over a mosque as an expression of Swedish culture. The reality is he doesn't place any value on Swedish or European culture. He'd save us all some time by just acknowledging that.

jmreire · 17-08-2018 09:42PM

When in Muslim company, be it in their own Country, or your's, when greeting a Muslim woman, you wait for her to offer her hand first. If she doesn't, then don't offer her your's. Some of them will shake hands with you, and some will not. But thats the way it works.

blinding · 17-08-2018 09:47PM

mynamejeff wrote: »

i would find it offensive if some one ignored a handshake offered in friendship , its disrespectful to me personally an culturally.

I am happy to remove my shoes when entering a mosque or temple showing respect to anothers religion or culture as long as they do like wise

Hiding behind a Balaclava / Burka / Niqab is a real affront to our culture .

You’d soon tell a friend down the Pub to take off the Balaclava coz you'd want to see their reactions to how hilarious you are after a few pints .

blinding · 17-08-2018 09:49PM

jmreire wrote: »

When in Muslim company, be it in their own Country, or your's, when greeting a Muslim woman, you wait for her to offer her hand first. If she doesn't, then don't offer her your's. Some of them will shake hands with you, and some will not. But thats the way it works.

But my hand just pops out coz its my culture and I don’t like to be left hanging . Do Muslim women that don’t want to shake hands need a Neon Sign ?

Sand · 17-08-2018 09:49PM

Yeah, I can see how it would be socially awkward if you believe skin contact with a male makes you somehow unclean, yet a man offers you a handshake. You could just toughen up, shake the hand and then rush to bathroom to douse your hand in Domestos. Nah, that would be expecting too much. They ought to accept your deeply held bias against men as expression of their tolerance and diversity.

Jesus Christ.

Do people who accept this nonsense believe ambulance crews should refuse to treat female muslims in case they are against male skin contact?

RandomName2 · 17-08-2018 09:51PM

jmreire wrote: »

When in Muslim company, be it in their own Country, or your's, when greeting a Muslim woman, you wait for her to offer her hand first. If she doesn't, then don't offer her your's. Some of them will shake hands with you, and some will not. But thats the way it works.

Yes, that's the way it is, and you may disapprove of certain cultural norms in other countries (like death penalty for homosexuality), but it wouldn't be your place to actually go on about that when you're a guest. Go to a restaurant in Riyadh and demand an alcoholic beverage, because drinking is part of Irish identity. :rolleyes:

enricoh · 17-08-2018 09:55PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

And I am not a fan of religion in general.*
But, if someone doesn't want to shake hands, what is the correct way of dealing with it?
Throw a big baby strop over it? Try to change their religious view there and then? Physically grab them and force them to shake hands?
Or just accept that this person for whatever reason doesn't shake hands with me?
Seems you're the one who has a hangup about religion.

* well, some of the Nordic and pre-christian religions are interesting and the far eastern religions and philosophies are quite beautiful.

Refused to shake my hand - no big strop but first impressions count an all that.
No big hangups about religion in general, but I fail to see what Islam is going to positively contribute to Ireland with it's values on women and attitudes to gays.
If other countries want to take in migrants that go around torching 90 cars, have no go areas n make up 93% of the child grooming gangs let them at it. Ill just take that country off the must see list , no biggie.
I don't want in my country though

Madagascan · 17-08-2018 09:56PM

jmreire wrote: »

When in Muslim company, be it in their own Country, or your's, when greeting a Muslim woman, you wait for her to offer her hand first. If she doesn't, then don't offer her your's. Some of them will shake hands with you, and some will not. But thats the way it works.

Not all ordinary people will know that or be expected to know that.

kuntboy · 17-08-2018 10:01PM

Ireland is finished. Get out now (or at the least get a passport) before the white flight run starts within the the next 20 years. Then the few places left to go will have closed their borders. Suggestions: Hungary, Poland, US. Dont bother with Aus/NZ/Canada as they are SJW'd to death and also overrun.

jmreire · 17-08-2018 10:03PM

blinding wrote: »

But my hand just pops out coz its my culture and I don’t like to be left hanging . Do Muslim women that don’t want to shake hands need a Neon Sign ?

Yes, Blinding, and so does mine., Strangely enough, if it's a male Muslim, each day you meet him, there will be at least a handshake,( if not a hug and kiss, and this is considered completely normal.) And the very same thing when parting company, ( to be repeated the next time you meet ) Here in Ireland, there are often long times between handshakes....But, believe me if you are in a Muslim Country, and if you automatically extend your hand ( as you and I would do) to a Muslim woman, you will learn very quickly that its not acceptable. You wont make the same mistake again. So now ( and since a very long time ) in Muslim company, and where women are concerned...I keep my handshaking confined to the men.:):D

tuxy · 17-08-2018 10:10PM

jmreire wrote: »

But, believe me if you are in a Muslim Country, and if you automatically extend your hand ( as you and I would do) to a Muslim woman, you will learn very quickly that its not acceptable. You wont make the same mistake again.

What would happen?
Also what is the best non verbal way to determine if a woman is muslim?

BowSideChamp · 17-08-2018 10:18PM

tuxy wrote: »

What would happen?
Also what is the best non verbal way to determine if a woman is muslim?

The answer lies in the question - extend your hand and you will find out.

jmreire · 17-08-2018 10:20PM

tuxy wrote: »

What would happen?
Also what is the best non verbal way to determine if a woman is muslim?

If you are in her Country, more than likely, you will not be the first "Foreigner " and unbeliever she will have met. She will know straight away that you are a foreigner and an unbeliever, because her Country men and by definition fellow Believers will not offer her their hand. So she will politely decline and move back from you. If she is with her Husband /Uncle /Brother etc. their manner will tell you that shaking hands with Muslim women is not acceptable. So you quickly learn NOT to offer them your hand.:D But after that, you can chat away with them if they want.

blinding · 17-08-2018 10:25PM

What happens if you pat her on the Bum ? Asking for a friend ?

malinheader · 17-08-2018 10:27PM

jmreire wrote: »

When in Muslim company, be it in their own Country, or your's, when greeting a Muslim woman, you wait for her to offer her hand first. If she doesn't, then don't offer her your's. Some of them will shake hands with you, and some will not. But thats the way it works.

See this is the bit that rags me. If i was in there country i would respect there customs and cultures. Should they not be expected to do the same. How in under god are they ever going to integrate. It's only a hand shake ffs

tuxy · 17-08-2018 10:29PM

What about a male to female transgender shaking hands with a muslim woman?

I'm in Ireland right now so I'm mostly worried about causing offence to a muslim woman, how can I tell if a woman is muslim?

jmreire · 17-08-2018 10:43PM

blinding wrote: »

What happens if you pat her on the Bum ? Asking for a friend ?

If you pat ANY woman on the bum nowadays...( without her expressed and to be on be on the safe side, written and witnessed signature ) be prepared for a reaction ( and thats here in the "Civilised West) But that reaction will pale into significance if while in a Muslim Country, you pat ANY womans /mans / girls bum. And if you do it, and their menfolk ( and maybe not even related to them )are present, be prepared for swift justice. The will be very insulted. There was a case recently, where a holiday maker was in a public restaurant, and while carrying a tray (with both hands) he nudged a local with his elbow, while saying Excuse me. The offended local man went into a rage, accusing the tourist of "improper actions " the police were called, and the tourist arrested. He spent an anxious few weeks in prison, before he was released, and only then after an intervention by his government. Had he been sentenced, he could have spent a few years in jail. :cool:

17-08-2018 10:48PM

kuntboy wrote: »

Ireland is finished. Get out now (or at the least get a passport) before the white flight run starts within the the next 20 years. Then the few places left to go will have closed their borders. Suggestions: Hungary, Poland, US. Dont bother with Aus/NZ/Canada as they are SJW'd to death and also overrun.

Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, kunt boy.

dr.fuzzenstein · 17-08-2018 10:51PM

RandomName2 wrote: »

How about 'thanks, bye. You're not going to be considered for the job'

Seems reasonable enough to me.

You haven't made a terribly convincing case that it wasn't, and a ~little suspicion~ I have is that you wouldn't care about this case if religion weren't at the crux of it.

Well, that's were we differ. It's not reasonable and the verdict of the court would support my opinion on the matter.
I would prefer if a company hired on skill and knowledge and not handshaking ability. Just seems a very silly criteria to hire people on.
Would have to be an incredibly incompetent HR person.

OK, addressing the religion angle. This case annoys me because someone made an idiotic decision based on a handshake.
Had religion not been an angle, would that make it any better? Don't think so, because now we're moving into psycho territory on the HR person's part.
Now, with religion in the picture, as I keep saying, what's the big deal? Personally I don't care if she has a phobia or if she does it for religious reasons. She might politely explain why and offer her own greeting.
Why is this an insult to some people? I guess the reason is that they have preconceptions about her religion and want to get offended and were looking for reasons to get offended.
It would suggest to me that they feel threatened.
Anger is mostly borne out of fear.
Quite frankly, if a moslem coworker wanted to greet me via the medium of the chicken dance I wouldn't care.

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