Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 08:14PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I've never heard of a traveler named Cash, maybe she had a Johnny Cash album in her hand when she dreamed it up.

I haven't either, McCarthy,McDonagh etc etc yeah, but definitely not Cash.

Her son's name is Johnny alright though according to one article.

If the son carries that surname and not the father's then he is possibly Johnny Cash?

I'll say one thing though, she certainly has created a 'ring of fire' going public.

It's just a shame that's the only Johnny's in the house.

Sleeper12 · 12-08-2018 08:15PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote:

A conviction of handling stolen property was recorded but no penalty imposed.

Thank you. That's what I read too

She was not convicted of being part of a traveller gang terrorising people. I've no idea if she is part of a gang but many times it's been posted that she was but she was only convinced of handling stolen goods. There is a lot of embellishing of the facts going on in the attempt at making her look worse. She looks bad enough as it is.

Prisoner 6753 wrote:

It all comes down to culture, it is not unheard of in the settled community but is more common in the travelling community.

There's parts of Dublin where you see plenty of settled young teenage girls going to & from school. I've met 28 year old grandmothers believe it or not

tuxy · 12-08-2018 08:15PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

How many bloody surnames has she?

Edit:

The article is from September 2008, making that Margaret now aged 38. Can't be the same one?

This is it. Happened in 2013 but it took 4 years for it to go to court as she refused to appear until the garda managed to secure a bench warrant.

https://www.pressreader.com/ireland/enniscorthy-guardian/20171212/281779924469721

22michael44 · 12-08-2018 08:15PM

Creative83 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/no-matter-what-i-have-done-in-my-past-i-have-a-right-to-be-housed-homeless-mother-trolled-on-social-media-37207510.html

"No matter what I have done in my past I have a right to be housed" The cheek of her! Nobody has a right to be housed :rolleyes:

jesus christ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_housing

lawred2 · 12-08-2018 08:17PM

SirChenjin wrote: »

Exactly what I thought when I read that article.

I think this debacle has touched a very raw nerve with many hard working people in this country.

I think government politicians went big time offside on this one. Buying into the bleeding heart hypocrisy.

They should have let FF and the rest of those magic money tree folks grandstand as much as they liked... Each word in support of this entitled scrounger was like a kick in the balls for many many people. Government should have said nothing but the usual - "this is a matter for the housing agencies" and left it at that. Instead we got a lineup of government fools trying to outdo each other in the faux sympathy stakes.

Doesn't look like there is even one party in the Dail with the interest of working taxpayers at their core.

All populist cowards

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 08:17PM

22michael44 wrote: »

Creative83 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/no-matter-what-i-have-done-in-my-past-i-have-a-right-to-be-housed-homeless-mother-trolled-on-social-media-37207510.html

"No matter what I have done in my past I have a right to be housed" The cheek of her! Nobody has a right to be housed :rolleyes:

jesus christ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_housing

I'm on the mobile so can you tell me which section says "as long as you pay for it"??

end of the road · 12-08-2018 08:18PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

She is a PR dream, in regards to showing up how much the middle class/worker get screwed in this country.

I'm very much a left leaning centrist, but people are surprised with me, when i give out about this mongrel. She is a sponge, she costs the state at least 50k a year and contributes nothing.

I was unemployed for 12 months and i was harassed and hounded to get a job by the social. I was 22 at the time and just out of college. I got a part time job and progressed to a management position. I wonder how many times she has be quizzed about not getting work.

Long term dole recipients should be compelled to go community services. Like litter pick up, cutting grass, emptying public bins etc. But this won't happen here as Ireland is a socialist paradise for a lazy. But if you work you are forced to hand over tax, pay to get to work all while Margo Cash is probably sleeping in till 12 nursing a hangover 4-5 times a week

the problem with that is there are already workers to do those jobs, and the people we are talking about would likely take a ridiculous amount of supervision and resources to actually get them to do the jobs, unlike the people currently doing them. that is likely why it won't happen.
every western country at least, forces workers to pay tax, and workers to pay to get to work either via public transport, toals and some sort of road tax.

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

It's a standard reply from that specific poster - declare someone "unemployable" and therefore any number of children become our problem because "it is what it is".

I respectfully disagree. No one is unemployable. Make some work a condition of their lavish handouts and they'll have no choice.

of course some people are unemployable. do you honestly think the woman who is the particular subject of this thread would be touched by any employer? of course not.

Sleeper12 · 12-08-2018 08:18PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote:

The article is from September 2008, making that Margaret now aged 38. Can't be the same one?

Definitely not the same woman. I said it already too many people literally making stuff up

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 12-08-2018 08:20PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Thank you. That's what I read too

She was not convicted of being part of a traveller gang terrorising people. I've no idea if she is part of a gang but many times it's been posted that she was but she was only convinced of handling stolen goods. There is a lot of embellishing of the facts going on in the attempt at making her look worse. She looks bad enough as it is.

There's parts of Dublin where you see plenty of settled young teenage girls going to & from school. I've met 28 year old grandmothers believe it or not

They're getting younger, the youngest I met was 32.

anewme · 12-08-2018 08:20PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've a soft spot for SVP. Not a homeless charity. I never miss their Christmas appeal. There are chancers. My own guess is about 10 percent get help that doesn't need it but you can help a small child have a present from Santa. Every child deserves to believe in Santa for a few years imo.

Short story
I heard a young woman on the radio talking about homelessness around the time of Apollo House. She would have been under 20 years of age. As a young teenager she was in a hotel for the best part of a year with her mum. Her mum worked part time. She stayed in the same school and her mum tried to keep her in a good routine. Come November or early December her class made up shoeboxs for homeless children & she participated in this. It was only at Christmas time when she received one of these boxes that she realised for the first time that she was homeless. Her mum had done such a great job protecting her.

That story still puts a smile on my face whenever I think of her it. The innocence of children

Here is an admission. Nearly 35 years later, but still.

When I was a child, we were poor, very poor.

we had a roof over our heads (when we were not in Court over rent arrears) and often no electricity or food. We often had no food or toys at Christmas.

On the morning just before Christmas Eve, my sister and I were left at home (we would not go to the shops as we were watching Willie Wonka) when my Mum went to get the shopping(what bits we could get). We were 11 and 9.

There was a knock on the door and it was a man in a white van. We had been told not to open the door. We looked out through the front window and saw he had a box with what looked like toys,so we opened the door.

It was a Driver from Sunday World Helping Hand Charity. He did not say who he was, he just said, take these in girls and have a Happy Christmas . in girjs. He gave us boxes of food, I remember Lemons Seasons Greetings sweets, Jacobs biscuits and cream crackers,and he gave us boxes of toys, some new, some second hand, but best of all were 2 huge yellow teddy bears with blue bows. I have never forgotten those 2 teddy bears.

we had no idea, but found out years later that Our Mum had written to Helping Hand Charity in Sunday World Charitty- father Brian Darcy about our life.

That was many many years ago, i have tried to pay it forward when I can. I givecto 2 charities a month and extra at Christmas.

That's why I am so annoyed about freeloaders taking from people who really need help. Because there are still the real poor out there, who need help are losing out because of people this this.

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 08:20PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Prisoner 6753 wrote:

The article is from September 2008, making that Margaret now aged 38. Can't be the same one?

Definitely not the same woman. I said it already too many people literally making stuff up

What has been made up about her ?

lawred2 · 12-08-2018 08:20PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Definitely not the same woman. I said it already too many people literally making stuff up

Or just you know, the wrong article was posted by mistake.

tom1ie · 12-08-2018 08:20PM

end of the road wrote: »

the problem with that is there are already workers to do those jobs, and the people we are talking about would likely take a ridiculous amount of supervision and resources to actually get them to do the jobs, unlike the people currently doing them. that is likely why it won't happen.
every western country at least, forces workers to pay tax, and workers to pay to get to work either via public transport, toals and some sort of road tax.

of course some people are unemployable. do you honestly think the woman who is the particular subject of this thread would be touched by any employer? of course not.

She could be “employed” by the state. She can work menial tasks, ie picking up rubbish etc, and in return she gets paid the handouts she already receives. What wrong with that?

Sleeper12 · 12-08-2018 08:24PM

I'm not in the legal profession but I thought that you could only get the probation act once & on your first offence?

"Upon hearing all the evidence, Judge Haughton opted to give Cash the benefit of the Probation Act Section 1.2, recording a conviction, but not imposing a penalty."

Would this not suggest that she does not have 30 odd convictions?

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 12-08-2018 08:24PM

tom1ie wrote: »

She could be “employed” by the state. She can work menial tasks, ie picking up rubbish etc, and in return she gets paid the handouts she already receives. What wrong with that?

She's only able to pick up 'cash'

Even if she did look for a job after this coverage who in their right mind would employ her?

She's gone from being almost certainly unemployable to most certainly unemployable.

Next moves by her, if they haven't already been done is carers allowance, domiciliary care allowance, free travel etc etc

Dakota Dan · 12-08-2018 08:25PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Definitely not the same woman. I said it already too many people literally making stuff up

No need to make up stuff about that woman, you could write a book about her.

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 08:26PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote: »

tom1ie wrote: »

She could be “employed” by the state. She can work menial tasks, ie picking up rubbish etc, and in return she gets paid the handouts she already receives. What wrong with that?

She's only able to pick up 'cash'

Even if she did look for a job after this coverage who in their right mind would employ her?

She's gone from being almost certainly unemployable to most certainly unemployable.

Next moves by her, if they haven't already been done is carers allowance, domiciliary care allowance, free travel etc etc

At least 2 will have ADHD or similar (self diagnosed of course).

Sleeper12 · 12-08-2018 08:27PM

Prisoner 6753 wrote:

They're getting younger, the youngest I met was 32.

When I was a kid in the 70s we were in Mosney. The winner of the glamorous granny was 36. (she wasn't a traveller). I don't think things have changed much in the past 40 years. The babies aren't stolen from the teenage mothers & sold by the church anymore. That would be the main difference

touts · 12-08-2018 08:28PM

Steve Bannon might be unpalatable in many ways but there is no way his movement/party/whatever would stand for her type of bull****. Our parliament and media are full of left wing liberals and the only "conservatives" are Catholic fundamentalists who care nothing for traditional sensible UK conservative or US republican style economic or social policy as long as you say a good rosary.

If things don't change fast there will be a revolution but it won't be the type the champagne trendy socialists like Murphy and Daly are calling for.

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 12-08-2018 08:28PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

At least 2 will have ADHD or similar (self diagnosed of course).

From looking at the citizens information site, DCA is 309.50 per month per child, also an annual payment of around 1700 in respite care grant payment.

Add that to the €51k + already being received plus the medical cards by which you cannot place a value

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 08:29PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Prisoner 6753 wrote:

They're getting younger, the youngest I met was 32.

When I was a kid in the 70s we were in Mosney. The winner of the glamorous granny was 36. (she wasn't a traveller). I don't think things have changed much in the past 40 years. The babies aren't stolen from the teenage mothers & sold by the church anymore. That would be the main difference

Ah so YOUR prejudice is okay though????

anewme · 12-08-2018 08:29PM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

Thank you. That's what I read too

She was not convicted of being part of a traveller gang terrorising people. I've no idea if she is part of a gang but many times it's been posted that she was but she was only convinced of handling stolen goods. There is a lot of embellishing of the facts going on in the attempt at making her look worse. She looks bad enough as it is
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I think you are being unrealistic here.

She lived in Talkaght , but was caught with stolen goods mikes away.

Thats what those gangs do, go out on the rob.

The worst thing about this woman is she is diverting funds from people who really need it, that's the real shame.

Wheeliebin30 · 12-08-2018 08:31PM

So I take it your man was right when he came out saying people are deliberately going homeless to jump the q?

Remember eoin o Brion of Sinn Fein asking for him to resign.

All of the stuff you hear about the homeless issue is true even though we were constantly told it wasn’t.

It’s one big scam the whole thing.

anewme · 12-08-2018 08:32PM

Dakota Dan wrote: »

No need to make up stuff about that woman, you could write a book about her.

There are a lot of Cashs. .

They are very well known around West Dublin. All related.

12-08-2018 08:32PM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

Not trying to high jack this thread but has anybody else being put of giving to homeless charities? When they see what we call the modern day homeless.
I've heard of a good few loosing interest in them because of it.

Definitely......in particular Barnardos ....after listening to Fergus Finlay on Newstalk on Friday. He more or less said the taxpayer was not entitled to question this case or have an opinion on it . Anyone who does is a “troll”.

No more time for these charities , I’m done . I work very hard and always have . I’m a single Mum and have raised two kids, put them through college and am proud they both are working in good jobs now . It’s not easy but life isn’t.

I’ve only signed on once in my life for a period of 9 months , in that time I studied and got a Level 7 which helped me get the job I’m in now .

Sickened by this case :mad:

touts · 12-08-2018 08:32PM

tom1ie wrote: »

She could be “employed” by the state. She can work menial tasks, ie picking up rubbish etc, and in return she gets paid the handouts she already receives. What wrong with that?

There is no need for a single Irish adult to be unemployed. We have hundreds of thousands of hard working east Europeans who have come here and contribute greatly to this country doing jobs some lazy Irish people don't want or consider themselves above. When the government have the fanfare and balloons announcement that we officially hit the statistical "full employment" they should immediately half unemployment benefits to anyone on the dole for more than 3 months without a medical condition. That would quickly sort out this one and her type

22michael44 · 12-08-2018 08:34PM

touts wrote: »

Steve Bannon might be unpalatable in many ways but there is no way his movement/party/whatever would stand for her type of bull****. Our parliament and media are full of left wing liberals and the only "conservatives" are Catholic fundamentalists who care nothing for traditional sensible UK conservative or US republican style economic or social policy as long as you say a good rosary.

If things don't change fast there will be a revolution but it won't be the type the champagne trendy socialists like Murphy and Daly are calling for.

what next, is someone going to say 'Stalin made the trains run on time'? here's an idea, if people hate the welfare state so much go find a country where they don't have one! move to America, they love personal responsibility there. who knows, Bannon might even be president by the time you get over there!

ayux4rj6zql2ph · 12-08-2018 08:34PM

touts wrote: »

There is no need for a single Irish adult to be unemployed. We have hundreds of thousands of hard working east Europeans who have come here and contribute greatly to this country doing jobs some lazy Irish people don't want or consider themselves above. When the government have the fanfare and balloons announcement that we officially hit the statistical "full employment" they should immediately half unemployment benefits to anyone on the dole for more than 3 months without a medical condition. That would quickly sort out this one and her type

The problem you have is fictitious medical conditions which doctors and other health services are signing off on for people to obtain disability allowance, once you get that you have it for life unless something drastic happens in between.

Sleeper12 · 12-08-2018 08:36PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote:

What has been made up about her ?

Everything except that she was convicted of handling stolen goods.

She wasn't charged let alone convicted of being part of a traveller gang

I'd love someone who knows about the law to say that she can have 30 odd convictions and still get the probation act. Maybe I'm wrong but I always thought that you could only get it once & it had to be your first conviction

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 08:37PM

touts wrote: »

tom1ie wrote: »

She could be “employed” by the state. She can work menial tasks, ie picking up rubbish etc, and in return she gets paid the handouts she already receives. What wrong with that?

There is no need for a single Irish adult to be unemployed. We have hundreds of thousands of hard working east Europeans who have come here and contribute greatly to this country doing jobs some lazy Irish people don't want or consider themselves above. When the government have the fanfare and balloons announcement that we officially hit the statistical "full employment" they should immediately half unemployment benefits to anyone on the dole for more than 3 months without a medical condition. That would quickly sort out this one and her type

I have had a Polish guy in the area now the lawns for nearly 11 years now.

He's raised his prices once in that time (a year ago) from 25 to 30 euro every 2-3 weeks, depending on time of year.

He's a grafter and does excellent work- point is, when he started the country was f****d economically. Where was the unemployed Irish person getting off their backside and getting a mowing round ????

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