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  • #2102
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,531 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    GhostyMcGhost wrote: »
    If I went to the bank for a mortgage with 6 kids, they factor that into capacity to repay and I very much doubt I'd even get a mortgage. Yet for public housing they don't even dare to question how many children you have???

    plenty question it. it's not changing anything though, because ultimately it can't as there are children involved.
    GhostyMcGhost wrote: »
    This woman is on the house list 11 years and her oldest is 11 so she literally popped one out and went straight on a list. So obviously since child 1 she couldn't afford her own housing needs... But yeah let's have, not 1, not 2, not even 3 but 5 more kids. This is after its blatantly obvious she couldn't manage after the first

    So now, we have to pay for a large and expensive 5 bed (or 6 bed if theres even any) house for her

    and people like that will always exist unfortunately. remember, the system is to benefit the children rather then the parents. the only reason she is getting what she gets is for the sake of the children.
    GhostyMcGhost wrote: »
    If you go on the list with 1 child, it should be capped that you'll get a house suited to that need. You want to have more kids after that, then you can bear the financial cost yourself. Otherwise we're allowing people to get themselves into unsustainable situations like the woman in question, and many more like her

    except that is ultimately not workable in reality, because chances are they will get pregnant again regardless, and those children have to be helped and supported.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2103
    [Deleted User]
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    Nermal wrote: »
    The 4.5% figure refers to people actively seeking but unable to find work.

    You think that's the category she's in?

    Well it appears plenty of you have made up your minds from such peer reviewed authoritative sources such as Facebook........


  • #2104
    stratowide
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭stratowide


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Reading the thread from the start you'll see plenty of posters from both sides. What usually happens is one side drops out & let the right wing posters continue clapping themselves on the back & agreeing with everything each other says as if people in the real world actually talk like this.

    I'd love to know do posters actually talk about forcing women to "get their tubes tied" with their own family? Do they describe their own wives and daughters as "breading"?

    Yes,people in the real world do speak like this..and worse.!


  • #2105
    Dakota Dan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭Dakota Dan


    Is her real name O' Rourke?


  • #2106
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Nermal wrote: »
    The 4.5% figure refers to people actively seeking but unable to find work.

    You think that's the category she's in?

    Well it appears plenty of you have made up your minds from such peer reviewed authoritative sources such as Facebook........

    Do you genuinely think she's an educated potentially gold standard employee and the feckless mother of 7 is a front ?


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  • #2107
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,531 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    tom1ie wrote: »
    Am I right in thinking you are happy with the current situation that herself and many others just take from society and don’t contribute to anything?

    nobody is happy with it. however many of us understand the practicalities, realities and complex issues involved, and how ultimately, it's not a problem that can be solved. we may not like it, but it is what it is .
    tom1ie wrote: »
    But it will make a difference. It would lay down a marker that this kind of carry on is no longer acceptable. Hard working tax payers will no longer accept cases that aren’t genuine, sponging off the state, in fact harming the state.


    i'd suggest it wouldn't lay down any marker unfortunately. hardworking tax payers in most cases understand that the type of people we are talking about will exist no matter what. we may not like it but we understand that there isn't much that can be done.
    Nermal wrote: »
    The 4.5% figure refers to people actively seeking but unable to find work.

    You think that's the category she's in?

    of course not, she's in the 100% unemployable category.
    Bowlardo wrote: »
    We have to attack the children’s allowance!

    Percentage paid out based on school attendance .
    If attendance drops below 80% then children allowance is chopped.
    No children’s allowance after the 3rd child bit you can get the equivalent on tax relief .
    Therefore a genuine working family won’t be penalized if they want to have the fourth and should stop these sponges from having any more.

    I think that woman needs to get a house but either it’s a 3 bed in Dublin or a 4/5 bed in another county. The line has to be drawn somewhere. The Media handled this very poorly. There is people traveling 100 to Dublin every day for work and it is completely unfair for this free loader to live in county Dublin for free

    nothing will stop the spongers from having more children. jesus if people in poor countries with no wellfare systems have lots of children then what makes anyone think there is any solution to the issue here?
    it's perfectly fare for her to live in dublin at a subsidized rent rate because that is where the services are mostly concentrated.
    those traveling long distances to dublin have a huge opportunity to own their house, something this woman will never be able to have, therefore dispite their sacrifices they are in a much much better position then her. they would never be able to own a house in dublin anyway because if all the working people moved there, prices would likely be even more ridiculous then they are now.
    eviltwin wrote: »
    Let's give her a house in a rural town. What does she need to be in Dublin for?

    not viable as the houses in the rural towns are for rural people already looking for houses and on the housing lists down there. she needs to be in dublin because that is where the most services are and i believe it's where she is from. she also has a much better chance of being caught by the gards if she gets up to anything because there are more of them there.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #2108
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,299 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    stratowide wrote:
    Yes,people in the real world do speak like this..and worse.!

    I can't imagine too many families sitting round the dinner table talking about women in such a degrading way.
    Each to their own


  • #2109
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,755 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    Not trying to high jack this thread but has anybody else being put of giving to homeless charities? When they see what we call the modern day homeless.
    I've heard of a good few loosing interest in them because of it.


  • #2110
    stratowide
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 566 ✭✭✭stratowide


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I can't imagine too many families sitting round the dinner table talking about women in such a degrading way.
    Each to their own

    No definitely not for the dinner table.


  • #2111
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    But it won't be a three bedroom, semi-d' she'll be looking for!
    She'll want a room for each of her children and a half acre for the ponies!

    A place then to park the caravan for when the family comes over!


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  • #2112
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Not trying to high jack this thread but has anybody else being put of giving to homeless charities? When they see what we call the modern day homeless.
    I've heard of a good few loosing interest in them because of it.

    I've donated to the Capuchins and SVP but no others directly involving people.

    My donations go the Irish Guide Dogs - they actually change deserving lives.


  • #2113
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Not trying to high jack this thread but has anybody else being put of giving to homeless charities? When they see what we call the modern day homeless.
    I've heard of a good few loosing interest in them because of it.

    I do not contribute to charities! Sporting/Scouting Group Flag Days, I would.


  • #2114
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Shes the gift that keeps on giving

    She's a PR disaster.


  • #2115
    Melendez
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,645 ✭✭✭Melendez


    This post has been deleted.


  • #2116
    mirrorwall14
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,751 ✭✭✭mirrorwall14


    I have zero issue with this lady being a traveller. I have massive issues with the social welfare system which permits and indeed promotes this.

    Personally I'd like to see:
    1. An end to the house for life policy. Houses are granted for 6 year tenancies at a time with no caps on rental amounts at all. Then you need to reapply and go back on the list and move out if you have not found work. Thats plenty of time for someone to get retrained/move jobs. If you get a very good job the rising rental amount encourages movement back into the private system. It also means that houses do not become "blocked" by single people after children have left etc. 6 years at a time is long enough for children in school to be settled and moved after 6 years if needs be. Houses at 3-4 beds max. Council houses should not be able to be sold at reduced rates ever and cannot be passed from one generation tot he next. They should go on the market at full rate if the council feels they no longer need it/its not up to scratch. Houses to be granted within 45km of the preferred area (same as the redeployment schemes in the public service). One refusal then you are taken off the list. If working but limit is below housing limits then a consecutive tenancy may be granted but no guarantee it stays in the same house.

    2. An outright cap on benefits. No one should be earning more in benefits than an average worker. Set the limit high then lower it. Heck even a 40k limit would eliminate some of these cases without affecting the people who need it most and stop encouraging having more and more children.

    3. A severely reducing child benefit amount after the 3/4th child. E.g. Full for 1 and 2, Half for 3 and 4, quarter for 5 and 6. Nothing beyond that.

    4. No automatic free travel unless for a specific reason e.g. work, hospital appointments, school buses

    5. Medical Card granted with time limits like the house unless in the case of serious illness (not in the case of out of work for example). 6 year time limit then re-application required

    Apart from that I do think that we should be pushing for initial 6 months or even 1 year of Job seekers benefit be a proper social welfare net in line with other countries e.g. 70% of income etc. I've no issue with things like carers allowance etc. I don't have any major issues with social welfare nets but I have a massive problem with the current free for all where things are granted and never checked again


  • #2117
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Not trying to high jack this thread but has anybody else being put of giving to homeless charities? When they see what we call the modern day homeless.
    I've heard of a good few loosing interest in them because of it.

    I have.

    We support Inner City Hekping Homejess through work and they won't get one more red cent off me after this. I'm also going to write to them and if it's suggested In work again I won't take part.

    I think they word "homeless" is the most abused word Of this decade.

    Apollo House was a complete fiasco, then that Erica Fleming scam artist and now this.

    I also know a lot of people feel the same.


  • #2118
    Always number 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Always number 1


    There are too many homeless charities all competing for limited funding. Take the cost of salaries (because they are NOT all volunteers) rent and/or rates for their offices and you're taking a chunk of funding that could be used better.


  • #2119
    tom1ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,082 ✭✭✭✭tom1ie


    end of the road wrote: »
    nobody is happy with it. however many of us understand the practicalities, realities and complex issues involved, and how ultimately, it's not a problem that can be solved. we may not like it, but it is what it is .




    i'd suggest it wouldn't lay down any marker unfortunately. hardworking tax payers in most cases understand that the type of people we are talking about will exist no matter what. we may not like it but we understand that there isn't much that can be done.



    of course not, she's in the 100% unemployable category.



    nothing will stop the spongers from having more children. jesus if people in poor countries with no wellfare systems have lots of children then what makes anyone think there is any solution to the issue here?
    it's perfectly fare for her to live in dublin at a subsidized rent rate because that is where the services are mostly concentrated.
    those traveling long distances to dublin have a huge opportunity to own their house, something this woman will never be able to have, therefore dispite their sacrifices they are in a much much better position then her. they would never be able to own a house in dublin anyway because if all the working people moved there, prices would likely be even more ridiculous then they are now.



    not viable as the houses in the rural towns are for rural people already looking for houses and on the housing lists down there. she needs to be in dublin because that is where the most services are and i believe it's where she is from. she also has a much better chance of being caught by the gards if she gets up to anything because there are more of them there.


    Wow. So your not happy with the situation but your of the opinion nothing can be done why challenge the status quo.
    That’s the spirit!
    Ffs! No wonder this country is the way it is with your state of mind.


  • #2120
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    anewme wrote: »
    freshpopcorn wrote: »
    Not trying to high jack this thread but has anybody else being put of giving to homeless charities? When they see what we call the modern day homeless.
    I've heard of a good few loosing interest in them because of it.

    I have.

    We support Inner City Hekping Homejess through work and they won't get one more red cent off me after this. I'm also going to write to them and if it's suggested In work again I won't take part.

    I think they word "homeless" is the most abused word Of this decade.

    Apollo House was a complete fiasco, then that Erica Fleming scam artist and now this.

    I also know a lot of people feel the same.

    Be nice to know where the Apollo House money went also.


  • #2121
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    anewme wrote: »
    She's a PR disaster.

    She is a PR dream, in regards to showing up how much the middle class/worker get screwed in this country.

    I'm very much a left leaning centrist, but people are surprised with me, when i give out about this mongrel. She is a sponge, she costs the state at least 50k a year and contributes nothing.

    I was unemployed for 12 months and i was harassed and hounded to get a job by the social. I was 22 at the time and just out of college. I got a part time job and progressed to a management position. I wonder how many times she has be quizzed about not getting work.

    Long term dole recipients should be compelled to go community services. Like litter pick up, cutting grass, emptying public bins etc. But this won't happen here as Ireland is a socialist paradise for a lazy. But if you work you are forced to hand over tax, pay to get to work all while Margo Cash is probably sleeping in till 12 nursing a hangover 4-5 times a week


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  • #2122
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    tom1ie wrote: »
    end of the road wrote: »
    nobody is happy with it. however many of us understand the practicalities, realities and complex issues involved, and how ultimately, it's not a problem that can be solved. we may not like it, but it is what it is .




    i'd suggest it wouldn't lay down any marker unfortunately. hardworking tax payers in most cases understand that the type of people we are talking about will exist no matter what. we may not like it but we understand that there isn't much that can be done.



    of course not, she's in the 100% unemployable category.



    nothing will stop the spongers from having more children. jesus if people in poor countries with no wellfare systems have lots of children then what makes anyone think there is any solution to the issue here?
    it's perfectly fare for her to live in dublin at a subsidized rent rate because that is where the services are mostly concentrated.
    those traveling long distances to dublin have a huge opportunity to own their house, something this woman will never be able to have, therefore dispite their sacrifices they are in a much much better position then her. they would never be able to own a house in dublin anyway because if all the working people moved there, prices would likely be even more ridiculous then they are now.



    not viable as the houses in the rural towns are for rural people already looking for houses and on the housing lists down there. she needs to be in dublin because that is where the most services are and i believe it's where she is from. she also has a much better chance of being caught by the gards if she gets up to anything because there are more of them there.


    Wow. So your not happy with the situation but your of the opinion nothing can be done why challenge the status quo.
    That’s the spirit!
    Ffs! No wonder this country is the way it is with your state of mind.

    It's a standard reply from that specific poster - declare someone "unemployable" and therefore any number of children become our problem because "it is what it is".

    I respectfully disagree. No one is unemployable. Make some work a condition of their lavish handouts and they'll have no choice.


  • #2123
    Always number 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,139 ✭✭✭Always number 1


    anewme wrote: »
    I have.

    We support Inner City Hekping Homejess through work and they won't get one more red cent off me after this. I'm also going to write to them and if it's suggested In work again I won't take part.

    I think they word "homeless" is the most abused word Of this decade.

    Apollo House was a complete fiasco, then that Erica Fleming scam artist and now this.

    I also know a lot of people feel the same.

    Agree 100%

    Where are Hansard, Dempsey etc now? Once they got the real story they distanced themselves fairly sharply from Ogle and co. How many mattresses has Mattress Mick donated to hostels run by the DRHE or DePaul etc It was all a big publicity stunt. Everyone wanted to be seen helping Apollo House but how much had they done before that or since then?

    As for Fleming, she got her 'forever home' and her place in Trinity and hasn't been seen since..


  • #2124
    Cork Lass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,078 ✭✭✭Cork Lass


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Racism and hatred is alive and well in Ireland

    It is and that’s disgusting but what’s even worse is the dole scrounging that seem to be the new norm. This woman is getting full and plenty from the state but still wants more. Also, loathe though I am to say it, I actually believe that within a decade her 7 children will be doing the same. The honest hard working people of this state are being taken for fools. I wish to god that even 1 political party would have the balls to stand up to these people and give back to those working their butts off to keep their heads above water. They’d have my vote for sure.


  • #2125
    TheQuietFella
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,857 ✭✭✭TheQuietFella


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    It's a standard reply from that specific poster - declare someone "unemployable" and therefore any number of children become our problem because "it is what it is".

    I respectfully disagree. No one is unemployable. Make some work a condition of their lavish handouts and they'll have no choice.

    What incentive is there for this person to work with all that is there potentially at least! Why would she even consider it!!!!


  • #2126
    bobbyss
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,310 ✭✭✭bobbyss


    She's 28. Not done with babies yet. How many will she be the mother of when she's 40?


  • #2127
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,299 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    freshpopcorn wrote:
    Not trying to high jack this thread but has anybody else being put of giving to homeless charities? When they see what we call the modern day homeless. I've heard of a good few loosing interest in them because of it.


    I've a soft spot for SVP. Not a homeless charity. I never miss their Christmas appeal. There are chancers. My own guess is about 10 percent get help that doesn't need it but you can help a small child have a present from Santa. Every child deserves to believe in Santa for a few years imo.

    Short story
    I heard a young woman on the radio talking about homelessness around the time of Apollo House. She would have been under 20 years of age. As a young teenager she was in a hotel for the best part of a year with her mum. Her mum worked part time. She stayed in the same school and her mum tried to keep her in a good routine. Come November or early December her class made up shoeboxs for homeless children & she participated in this. It was only at Christmas time when she received one of these boxes that she realised for the first time that she was homeless. Her mum had done such a great job protecting her.


    That story still puts a smile on my face whenever I think of her it. The innocence of children


  • #2128
    Noveight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,813 ✭✭✭Noveight


    Went and had 7 kids so she could up the children’s allowance, despite surely knowing she hadn’t the capability of providing for them.

    No sympathy for her but you’d feel sorry for the kids alright, used by their Ma as pawns essentially.


  • #2129
    anewme
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,142 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    It's a standard reply from that specific poster - declare someone "unemployable" and therefore any number of children become our problem because "it is what it is".

    I respectfully disagree. No one is unemployable. Make some work a condition of their lavish handouts and they'll have no choice.

    That poster has not condemnedher being caught robbing and nit turning up for numerous warrants.

    She was caught with stolen property miles from where she lives, ie, those maurading traveller gangs that Operation Thor and the likes target.

    She deserves nothing and anyone who feels sorry for her is a fool.

    It's your home and your parents/grandparents homes her and her gang are robbing.


  • #2130
    PlaneSpeeking
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,106 ✭✭✭PlaneSpeeking


    TheQuietFella wrote: »
    PlaneSpeeking wrote: »
    It's a standard reply from that specific poster - declare someone "unemployable" and therefore any number of children become our problem because "it is what it is".

    I respectfully disagree. No one is unemployable. Make some work a condition of their lavish handouts and they'll have no choice.

    What incentive is there for this person to work with all that is there potentially at least! Why would she even consider it!!!!

    She'll be locked off the gravy train if she doesn't.

    I know it'll never happen though.


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  • #2131
    ayux4rj6zql2ph
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,717 ✭✭✭ayux4rj6zql2ph


    bobbyss wrote: »
    She's 28. Not done with babies yet. How many will she be the mother of when she's 40?

    The youngest is 1 so she had 7 in 10 years, from 17 to 27.

    It is very likely she could replicate that number and have 14 by 37, given how it is their 'culture' I wouldn't rule it out.

    Seeing as the father is only in custody since July, there is every chance baby number 8 is already on the way and we just don't know about it yet.


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