Tommy Robinson jailed

PlaneSpeeking · 11-08-2018 02:27PM

super_furry wrote: »

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

I threw in "So is FGM and you can't defend that can you??".

Much like circumcision in western and American culture. All examples of child abuse.

Couldn't agree more.

Captain Obvious · 11-08-2018 06:49PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Discussing the proposed burka ban and Johnson's comments in work.

The confusion on their little faces- bless. Having to like "hating a Tory"; him being a man and therefore how dare he! - to women's rights but having to defend "well it's their culture isn't it? What can we do?"

I threw in "So is FGM and you can't defend that can you??".

Blank faces while they decide how they SHOULD reply!!! Comical.

Who were you talking to exactly? It seems fairly easy to point out the difference between FGM and clothing. One causes irreparable physical trauma, the other is an item of clothing. It's also fairly easy to point out the inherant hypocrisy in claiming to be supporting womens rights by telling what they cannot wear.

DickSwiveller Returns · 11-08-2018 06:50PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Who were you talking to exactly? It seems fairly easy to point out the difference between FGM and clothing. One causes irreparable physical trauma, the other is an item of clothing. It's also fairly easy to point out the inherant hypocrisy in claiming to be supporting womens rights by telling what they cannot wear.

Not really. When you are in a host country you should adapt to the culture. When in Rome as the saying goes...

Captain Obvious · 11-08-2018 06:51PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

Not really. When you are in a host country you should adapt to the culture. When in Rome as the saying goes...

Right, so it has nothing to do with supporting womens rights. At least your forward about your motives.

DickSwiveller Returns · 11-08-2018 06:53PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Right, so it has nothing to do with supporting womens rights. At least your forward about your motives.

It's nothing to do with rights. It's anathema to Western culture to have people walking around with black bags on.

Stephen15 · 11-08-2018 06:57PM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Right, so it has nothing to do with supporting womens rights. At least your forward about your motives.

So women have a right to hide their face but men don't? I think I should be allowed walk around wearing a balaclava or ski mask, if Muslim women do it then white men should also be allowed do it.

Complete nonsense. We don't generally conceal our faces here in the west whether you're a man or a woman.

Odhinn · 11-08-2018 07:02PM

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

It's nothing to do with rights. It's anathema to Western culture to have people walking around with black bags on.

I had no idea "Western culture" had a stance on clothing, and was in fact fairly sure that lack of a stance was indeed part of "Western culture".

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 04:43PM

Odhinn wrote: »

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

It's nothing to do with rights. It's anathema to Western culture to have people walking around with black bags on.

I had no idea "Western culture" had a stance on clothing, and was in fact fairly sure that lack of a stance was indeed part of "Western culture".

Deliberately missing the point eh ?

It's expected in our society that non verbal communication (eye contact, facial expressions, open microexpressions around the mouth etc) is as important as words.

Walking round with a full face covered flies against this. Plus it generates mistrust of the "person" underneath (how can we assume female or motives for hiding?).

Odhinn · 12-08-2018 04:45PM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Deliberately missing the point eh ?

It's expected in our society that non verbal communication (eye contact, facial expressions, open microexpressions around the mouth etc) is as important as words.

Walking round with a full face covered flies against this. Plus it generates mistrust of the "person" underneath (how can we assume female or motives for hiding?).

So mirror shades are out too?

PlaneSpeeking · 12-08-2018 04:53PM

Odhinn wrote: »

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Deliberately missing the point eh ?

It's expected in our society that non verbal communication (eye contact, facial expressions, open microexpressions around the mouth etc) is as important as words.

Walking round with a full face covered flies against this. Plus it generates mistrust of the "person" underneath (how can we assume female or motives for hiding?).

So mirror shades are out too?

Yeah that's the same.

Point made - you can't see the look of derision on my face here.

Captain Obvious · 12-08-2018 05:14PM

Stephen15 wrote: »

So women have a right to hide their face but men don't? I think I should be allowed walk around wearing a balaclava or ski mask, if Muslim women do it then white men should also be allowed do it.

Complete nonsense. We don't generally conceal our faces here in the west whether you're a man or a woman.

Are you under the impression there is a law preventing you from walking around in a ski mask?

terryduff12 · 12-08-2018 09:54PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zENaVkuNzE
For some reason guards have a problem with irish people wearing them.

terryduff12 · 12-08-2018 10:22PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWmTVWXHv8

Just your average thinking muslim women how many of these type of muslims are about. Is this why people think there is a problem in England

Two Tone from Limehouse · 13-08-2018 01:30AM

Billy Mays wrote: »

But he/his supporters keep telling us that none of this has anything to do with race.

Now that Stephen feels he's in danger from Muslim inmates all of a sudden it has.

when did Islam become a race?

malinheader · 13-08-2018 07:34AM

terryduff12 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWmTVWXHv8

Just your average thinking muslim women how many of these type of muslims are about. Is this why people think there is a problem in England

At least she spoke honestly and didn't try to disguise how she felt. If people still think that these people can add to a society after listening to her views were in bother.

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 08:16AM

terryduff12 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWmTVWXHv8

Just your average thinking muslim women how many of these type of muslims are about. Is this why people think there is a problem in England

Oh she is not unique - she's just rare as in she's allowed to use the phone.

Captain Obvious · 13-08-2018 08:24AM

terryduff12 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zENaVkuNzE
For some reason guards have a problem with irish people wearing them.

For some reason? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact he was in a protest crowd outside a court house with a group that has a history of interfering with court cases and threatening judges and Gardaí? That seems a bit disingenuous to pretend this is somehow similar to someone simply going about their daily business.

My point still stands that there is no law preventing a man from going about their daily business with their face covered.

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 08:25AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

For some reason? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact he was in a protest crowd outside a court house with a group that has a history of interfering with court cases and threatening judges and Gardaí? That seems a bit disingenuous to pretend this is somehow similar to someone simply going about their daily business.

My point still stands that there is no law preventing a man from going about their daily business with their face covered.

Try it. Prove us wrong.

Put on a balaclava and video your day. I guarantee you will need minutes, if that.

Captain Obvious · 13-08-2018 08:47AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Try it. Prove us wrong.

Put on a balaclava and video your day. I guarantee you will need minutes, if that.

Same old same old. Make a claim and tell someone to prove you wrong with some ridiculous demand. Show me the law that prevents a man wearing something covering his face and exempts a muslim woman doing the same. Simple really. I'll start you off.

www.irishstatutebook.ie

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 08:50AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Same old same old. Make a claim and tell someone to prove you wrong with some ridiculous demand. Show me the law that prevents a man wearing something covering his face and exempts a muslim woman doing the same. Simple really. I'll start you off.

www.irishstatutebook.ie

Deflection. Typical.

Back on ignore.

malinheader · 13-08-2018 08:53AM

Just tried to get into the post office with my balaclava on. What a handling. Is it against my human rights.

PlaneSpeeking · 13-08-2018 08:56AM

malinheader wrote: »

Just tried to get into the post office with my balaclava on. What a handling. Is it against my human rights.

Usual DM disclaimer goes here. Can we be adults and actually READ the story ?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6050159/Motorbike-instructor-accused-Shell-garage-racism-told-remove-helmet.html

Captain Obvious · 13-08-2018 08:58AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Deflection. Typical.

Back on ignore.

Just show me that law that oppresses you from wearing your balaclava while you walk around town.

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 09:01AM

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Usual DM disclaimer goes here. Can we be adults and actually READ the story ?

Is there a history of people wearing burkas to rob shops?

Captain Obvious · 13-08-2018 09:04AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Is there a history of people wearing burkas to rob shops?

It's an irrelevant example anyway. We're talking about face coverings. That story is about open face clothing. It's also not in Ireland. It's also a private company and not a government imposing it. As Plane Speaking says

Deflection. Typical.

Billy Mays · 13-08-2018 09:11AM

Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: »

when did Islam become a race?

When did I say it had?

terryduff12 · 13-08-2018 10:26AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Just show me that law that oppresses you from wearing your balaclava while you walk around town.

Just listen to the video,you asked for proof an Irish person in Ireland with his face covered he was on Irish soil getting harassment from the guards it's an example caught on video.it might not be in writing but the people that inforce the law of the land have a problem with people having there face covered.

Captain Obvious · 13-08-2018 11:17AM

terryduff12 wrote: »

Just listen to the video,you asked for proof an Irish person in Ireland with his face covered he was on Irish soil getting harassment from the guards it's an example caught on video.it might not be in writing but the people that inforce the law of the land have a problem with people having there face covered.

What I asked for was the law that prevents you from going about your daily business with your face covered. A number of posters have claimed white men can't do it and Muslim women can. What I've been shown is a clip of a man being arrested while protesting, with a group that has a history of threatening and attacking Gardaí, after being told to remove his face mask by a member of the Gardaí who was talking to him.

malinheader · 13-08-2018 11:27AM

Captain Obvious wrote: »

What I asked for was the law that prevents you from going about your daily business with your face covered. A number of posters have claimed white men can't do it and Muslim women can. What I've been shown is a clip of a man being arrested while protesting, with a group that has a history of threatening and attacking Gardaí, after being told to remove his face mask by a member of the Gardaí who was talking to him.

Going round in circles here. Do I think it was racist that a man in a motor cycle helmet could not fill petrol but someone in a Burka can. No stupid yes and maybe the owner thought he would be classed as a racist if he did or maybe he is Islamic faith. Do I want to see Burkas on the streets of Ireland. Definitely not. Now what's your view

ohnonotgmail · 13-08-2018 11:30AM

malinheader wrote: »

Going round in circles here. Do I think it was racist that a man in a motor cycle helmet could not fill petrol but someone in a Burka can. No stupid yes and maybe the owner thought he would be classed as a racist if he did or maybe he is Islamic faith. Do I want to see Burkas on the streets of Ireland. Definitely not. Now what's your view

Do you not think the reason the garage owner had a problem is there is a history of people getting petrol and then riding off without paying? Is there a history of women in burkas doing drive-offs?

Tommy Robinson jailed

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