super_furry wrote: » PlaneSpeeking wrote: » I threw in "So is FGM and you can't defend that can you??". Much like circumcision in western and American culture. All examples of child abuse.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » I threw in "So is FGM and you can't defend that can you??".
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Discussing the proposed burka ban and Johnson's comments in work. The confusion on their little faces- bless. Having to like "hating a Tory"; him being a man and therefore how dare he! - to women's rights but having to defend "well it's their culture isn't it? What can we do?" I threw in "So is FGM and you can't defend that can you??". Blank faces while they decide how they SHOULD reply!!! Comical.
Captain Obvious wrote: » Who were you talking to exactly? It seems fairly easy to point out the difference between FGM and clothing. One causes irreparable physical trauma, the other is an item of clothing. It's also fairly easy to point out the inherant hypocrisy in claiming to be supporting womens rights by telling what they cannot wear.
DickSwiveller Returns wrote: » Not really. When you are in a host country you should adapt to the culture. When in Rome as the saying goes...
Captain Obvious wrote: » Right, so it has nothing to do with supporting womens rights. At least your forward about your motives. It's nothing to do with rights. It's anathema to Western culture to have people walking around with black bags on.
Captain Obvious wrote: » Right, so it has nothing to do with supporting womens rights. At least your forward about your motives.
DickSwiveller Returns wrote: » It's nothing to do with rights. It's anathema to Western culture to have people walking around with black bags on. I had no idea "Western culture" had a stance on clothing, and was in fact fairly sure that lack of a stance was indeed part of "Western culture".
It's nothing to do with rights. It's anathema to Western culture to have people walking around with black bags on.
Odhinn wrote: » DickSwiveller Returns wrote: » It's nothing to do with rights. It's anathema to Western culture to have people walking around with black bags on. I had no idea "Western culture" had a stance on clothing, and was in fact fairly sure that lack of a stance was indeed part of "Western culture". Deliberately missing the point eh ? It's expected in our society that non verbal communication (eye contact, facial expressions, open microexpressions around the mouth etc) is as important as words. Walking round with a full face covered flies against this. Plus it generates mistrust of the "person" underneath (how can we assume female or motives for hiding?).
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Deliberately missing the point eh ? It's expected in our society that non verbal communication (eye contact, facial expressions, open microexpressions around the mouth etc) is as important as words. Walking round with a full face covered flies against this. Plus it generates mistrust of the "person" underneath (how can we assume female or motives for hiding?).
Odhinn wrote: » PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Deliberately missing the point eh ? It's expected in our society that non verbal communication (eye contact, facial expressions, open microexpressions around the mouth etc) is as important as words. Walking round with a full face covered flies against this. Plus it generates mistrust of the "person" underneath (how can we assume female or motives for hiding?). So mirror shades are out too?
Stephen15 wrote: » So women have a right to hide their face but men don't? I think I should be allowed walk around wearing a balaclava or ski mask, if Muslim women do it then white men should also be allowed do it. Complete nonsense. We don't generally conceal our faces here in the west whether you're a man or a woman.
Billy Mays wrote: » But he/his supporters keep telling us that none of this has anything to do with race. Now that Stephen feels he's in danger from Muslim inmates all of a sudden it has.
terryduff12 wrote: » https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYWmTVWXHv8 Just your average thinking muslim women how many of these type of muslims are about. Is this why people think there is a problem in England
terryduff12 wrote: » https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zENaVkuNzE For some reason guards have a problem with irish people wearing them.
Captain Obvious wrote: » For some reason? It wouldn't have anything to do with the fact he was in a protest crowd outside a court house with a group that has a history of interfering with court cases and threatening judges and Gardaí? That seems a bit disingenuous to pretend this is somehow similar to someone simply going about their daily business. My point still stands that there is no law preventing a man from going about their daily business with their face covered.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Try it. Prove us wrong. Put on a balaclava and video your day. I guarantee you will need minutes, if that.
Captain Obvious wrote: » Same old same old. Make a claim and tell someone to prove you wrong with some ridiculous demand. Show me the law that prevents a man wearing something covering his face and exempts a muslim woman doing the same. Simple really. I'll start you off.www.irishstatutebook.ie
malinheader wrote: » Just tried to get into the post office with my balaclava on. What a handling. Is it against my human rights.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6050159/Motorbike-instructor-accused-Shell-garage-racism-told-remove-helmet.html
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Deflection. Typical. Back on ignore.
PlaneSpeeking wrote: » Usual DM disclaimer goes here. Can we be adults and actually READ the story ?
ohnonotgmail wrote: » Is there a history of people wearing burkas to rob shops?
Deflection. Typical.
Two Tone from Limehouse wrote: » when did Islam become a race?
Captain Obvious wrote: » Just show me that law that oppresses you from wearing your balaclava while you walk around town.
terryduff12 wrote: » Just listen to the video,you asked for proof an Irish person in Ireland with his face covered he was on Irish soil getting harassment from the guards it's an example caught on video.it might not be in writing but the people that inforce the law of the land have a problem with people having there face covered.
Captain Obvious wrote: » What I asked for was the law that prevents you from going about your daily business with your face covered. A number of posters have claimed white men can't do it and Muslim women can. What I've been shown is a clip of a man being arrested while protesting, with a group that has a history of threatening and attacking Gardaí, after being told to remove his face mask by a member of the Gardaí who was talking to him.
malinheader wrote: » Going round in circles here. Do I think it was racist that a man in a motor cycle helmet could not fill petrol but someone in a Burka can. No stupid yes and maybe the owner thought he would be classed as a racist if he did or maybe he is Islamic faith. Do I want to see Burkas on the streets of Ireland. Definitely not. Now what's your view
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