Family of seven sleep in Garda station Mod note post one

yabadabado · 10-08-2018 6:11pm

This women is a parasite.No wonder this country is in such a mess when you have people like her.

I would love for someone in the media to actually come out and question her about her life choices etc but all we get is the bs like a full front page of The Independent covering this women's "plight".

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-08-2018 6:14pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

When my parents got married lots of people lived with their parents for a bit or even had a baby their.
Some saved for a house and those who got offered a council house jumped through hopes for it.

When my parents got married (in 1980), they were able to get a mortgage on a semi-detached house despite being in their early/mid-twenties and in entry level jobs. Things have regressed a lot since then.

tintin67 · 10-08-2018 6:15pm

aroundthehouse wrote: »

Job seekers/Unemployment (X2) – €193 per week
Child benefit (x7) – €140 per month
Rent allowance (capped) – 1,175 per month
Fuel allowance (27 weeks x €22.50) – €608 pa
Back to school – €1,250 pa
Qualified child allowance – €223 per week
Christmas Bonus – €358 pa

TOTAL = €54,200!!

and there is the exact reason this country is in a heap....

There is actually a special Homeless HAP rent allowance which in Dublin has gone as high as €2800 a month. So that's potentially an extra €19500 a year bringing us to a grand total of €73700 in benefits and allowances.

rossmores · 10-08-2018 6:18pm

i bet the media are glad its the weekend for this one all forgotten by monday what a fcuking **** treating kids that way

Heres Johnny · 10-08-2018 6:18pm

I just want to say that this thread restores my faith in Irish people, apart from a few absolute numpties, one of whom I suspect to be a troll, there is outright condemnation for this kind of sponging lifestyle. Same with people I talked to in work over last few days.

Problem is, my circle are all workers, mortgage holders or rent payers and we only have the same vote as the leeches.

No political party would commit suicide by taking a hard stance on these layabout waste of spaces, be they from the traveling or settled community, as the opposition party would condemn it and use it as a move towards power. Too many socialists in power or looking for power.

Thus the cycle continues.

Sleeper12 · 10-08-2018 6:20pm

Gatling wrote:

You can get married younger if your a traveler

Or settled

freshpopcorn · 10-08-2018 6:21pm

jmayo I agree wit a lot of what you said but it's just going to take a long time to change and I can't really see it improving massively anytime soon.

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-08-2018 6:28pm

Heres Johnny wrote: »

Too many socialists in power or looking for power.

There aren't enough socialists in power. Indeed, there are none. That'll be why those renters in your circle are likely to be handing over an unsustainable chunk of their wages to maintain roofs over their heads. If the government wanted to put a brake on those spiraling costs, they'd construct tens of thousands of homes (which, as an added bonus, would also directly and indirectly create thousands of jobs). Only a Socialist government will do that. Fine Gael and Fianna Fail won't.

jmayo · 10-08-2018 6:29pm

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

When my parents got married (in 1980), they were able to get a mortgage on a semi-detached house despite being in their early/mid-twenties and in entry level jobs. Things have regressed a lot since then.

Ehh they were lucky to have a job in Ireland in 1980.
Down in the West most people were destined to migrate towards Galway or Dublin, the good old civil service jobs or if one was lucky someplace like Aer Lingus.
Of course a lot headed for UK or America.

Also it might have been entry level, but if it was civil service you were seen as a good very long term bet for a mortgage unlike say the lad with the entry level job in the local hardware supplier.

Also check out the interest rates they were paying and also out of interest ask them what furniture they started out with ?

Houses were cheaper but there were way less people chasing after them i.e. Demand.
206,000 more left Ireland than arrived in the 1980s.

I can't find the figures to hand for 1980, but the economy was on the down due to 1979 oil crisis and Iran kicking off.

smelly sock · 10-08-2018 6:34pm

This woman and her lovely fella will be given a house beside some couple struggling to lay a mortgage and get by. Thats fair.

Pegmatite · 10-08-2018 6:39pm

I read here that her fella is in jail. Is that true? Anyone have a source for that? What is he in jail for?

Amirani · 10-08-2018 6:39pm

I'm a bit out of the loop with this story today. What exactly has happened since the news was reported yesterday that has raised the criticism?

jmayo · 10-08-2018 6:41pm

freshpopcorn wrote: »

jmayo I agree wit a lot of what you said but it's just going to take a long time to change and I can't really see it improving massively anytime soon.

Can I frame this ?

A mod agreeing with me :eek:

You are going to be kicked out you do know that.

And for that I am going to forgive you for that announcement mullarkey.
And I don't like cake, I like ice cream and none of that fancy American stuff, good old basic HB or what was HB. I like mint.

Anyway if the economy had totally fallen apart with the bubble burst then we would have been forced to totally re evaluate the system.
As it was we cut back a bit, but really nothing much changed.

As sure as hell there is another major global downturn coming and we have no real safety net this time. We are mortgaged up to the eyeballs so to speak.
And sooner or later the whole Western world, especially European, welfare system, pension system is going to collapse.

I look at some current recent pensioners that I know with their guaranteed pensions and look at fact I will still be working and getting feck all if I make to their age.

Cheerful isn't it.

freshpopcorn · 10-08-2018 6:46pm

Amirani wrote: »

I'm a bit out of the loop with this story today. What exactly has happened since the news was reported yesterday that has raised the criticism?

Basically she had a lavish enough lifestyle and people worked out how much she had.

jmayo · 10-08-2018 6:47pm

Amirani wrote: »

I'm a bit out of the loop with this story today. What exactly has happened since the news was reported yesterday that has raised the criticism?

Well she is only 28 and has 6 or is 7 kids with eldest being 11.
Now she claims she was on housing list for 11 years, but yet was popping out 5 or 6 kids with not a care in the world unlike say most working people who have to worry about childcare costs, access to schools, school top ups, etc.

It turns out the Daddy is in the nick for being a bold boy and she was actually in court as well but got off because she claimed she was going to be homeless with the 6 or 7 kids.

She hasn't a criminal record ,but AFAIK has a load of motoring offences.

Oh and before she made her Facefook page private, she had references in there to her spending on booze and sunbeds.

She was offered a house in Meath, but she doesn't like Meath (might forgive for that) and the house wasn't suitable for her number of kids.

Sleeper12 · 10-08-2018 6:49pm

Amirani wrote:

I'm a bit out of the loop with this story today. What exactly has happened since the news was reported yesterday that has raised the criticism?

She turned down accommodation for the whole family in Meath & decided to make her kids sleep in a Garda station for a photo shoot.

Now others are taking offence bec she is a traveller and because she has so many chi while the kids daddy is in wheatfield prison.

Personally my only issue is that she tried to steal another families place on the housing list with her stunt. I genuinely don't understand how her being a traveller makes her it any worse

mikemac2 · 10-08-2018 6:50pm

Alrigghtythen wrote: »

Welfare should be paid as a percentage of your last jobs wages, reducing over time. If you haven't ever worked it should be basic food stamps and the social on your case until you get a job.

Luxembourg and Switzerland do it have the percentage method. Possibly Germany too

AlekSmart · 10-08-2018 6:51pm

tom1ie wrote: »

Listening to all the mainstream radio stations talking about this (today fm, news talk) is making me sick. This woman is clearly playing the system and giving genuine homeless family’s a terrible rep. I switched stations as I couldn’t listen to it anymore and came across 4 fm talking about it. The presenter is actually asking proper questions that the tax payers paying for this scam want answers to.
I think the presenters name is Niall Boylan. He’s asked:
where is the father?
Why has this woman 7 kids when she can’t look after them.
He has commented on how, when all reliefs and payments are added up the total cost is coming to 49000 pa for the state.
He’s commenting on personal responsibility, which seems to have gone out the window in this case in particular.
Genuine people that need help should get it. This is not genuine , it’s a scam.

Mother of God...If Philip Boucher Hayes gets wind of this,he'll bate the head offa him !!!!

RTE Radio News Bulletins ALL DAY are running with soundbytes from Housing Minister Eoghan Murphy expressing his sadness,shock etc etc...

In reality Minister Murphy should have been telling RTE to get the fluich off the stage and return when somebody had done some small bit of research....not a lot...just a smidgin would have exposed this crock of shytt for what it IS.

freshpopcorn · 10-08-2018 6:52pm

I live in a rural town. So the housing crisis isn't as bad here.
However one thing that really angers me is when I see people who's have a good amount of social welfare/etc and it's spent on drink/fags/etc.(I'm not referring to the odd thing)
Whilst the kids go to school poorly clothed/missing stuff and expecting everything in school to be handed to them.

Yer Da sells Avon · 10-08-2018 6:52pm

jmayo wrote: »

Also it might have been entry level, but if it was civil service you were seen as a good very long term bet for a mortgage unlike say the lad with the entry level job in the local hardware supplier.

A draftsman and a shop assistant, both full time and private sector. Their neighbours were mostly ordinary working-class people too, electricians, plumbers, etc.

YFlyer · 10-08-2018 6:52pm

Nearly all the Margaret Cash on Facebook are full time mommies...lol

22michael44 · 10-08-2018 6:52pm

Pegmatite wrote: »

To the person recommending national service, we already have community work schemes. They are useless.

If I am honest, during downturn I was unemployed for the best part of 18 months. And the social services where awful to deal with. I remember going to four mandated meetings that where designed for early school leavers. I have a masters degree. I was also sent for a intership in an office, to "Learn how offices work". I have a couple of years experience working in an office before being made unemployed.

Is dropping a few sprogs the way to shortcut the social welfare system. You just show up to FAS or what ever its called now with a few small kids hanging out of you and they send you on your way. No hoops to jump through, just here is a house, and a small fortune. Best of luck, keep popping those babies out.

i dunno mate, having kids involves, you know, work in itself. i somehow think your concept of 'circumventing the social welfare system by having loads of kids' is a bit flawed. give me bureaucracy any day

Cunning Stunt · 10-08-2018 6:53pm

Just out of interest, is Ireland the only EU country where social welfare can be actually used as a long-term income by spongers like this? Are we so far out of the norm?

Am livin in Denmark and they have strict rules about receiving dole, for example - so no one likes to be unemployed for any length (which is how it should be).

harr · 10-08-2018 6:53pm

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/homeless-mother-criticises-horrible-reaction-to-family-sleeping-at-garda-station-1.3592442

Now it seems she is denying she was offered a house at all...this is a huge propaganda stunt and she is definitely getting coached on what to do and say.
Really disappointed not one member of the Irish media has done any real investigative work on this woman’s case.
Everyone seems hell bent on jumping on the bandwagon to defend her.. after this it would really have you thinking if we can believe anything from the Irish media..

mikemac2 · 10-08-2018 7:00pm

Sundew wrote: »

A few years ago the Goverment had a great scheme to wean folks off welfare at the start of the Celtic Tiger. You could keep your welfare payment as well as your wages when you started a new job. Gradually it was reduced over the years, that needs to be brought back.think you had to be unemployed for a certain amount of time...can’t remember the exact details.

Think it was the back to work enterprise allowance or something similar.

It was called Job Assist and was run by the Revenue, not Social Protection. I was unemployed myself and availed of it. I wouldn't say anyone weaned me off welfare, I lost my job like so many others though I know what you mean. Not taking it personal

You get extra tax credits for three years. You still have to work the years but you can claim back afterwards.

Your employers gets some sort of rebate towards PRSI. Seeing as my employer was a large multinational they didn't care less and it was never a factor in hiring me. For a small business it might encourage you to take that candidate

You can keep your medical card and some other entitlements. I only got dole so tbh I don't know much about that side but it means people don't take a sudden cut when they go working. Your entitlements reduce over time. Sounds very sensible

It got axed in 2013 and replace by JobsPlus which I believe was similar but less resources put into it

Ha Long Bay · 10-08-2018 7:01pm

John Connors is chiming in on Twitter.

"The homeless Traveller woman who slept in a Gardai station with her children is getting an incredible amount of hate online. Reality is that if she were a settled woman she would be receiving an incredible amount of support. The Last Acceptable form of Racism In Ireland."

https://twitter.com/johnconnors1990/status/1027916975740280833

No John she wouldn't.

smelly sock · 10-08-2018 7:01pm

Amirani wrote: »

I'm a bit out of the loop with this story today. What exactly has happened since the news was reported yesterday that has raised the criticism?

It turns out the woman dressed her kids in school uniforms, refused a house in meath and transport to it, has at least 6 kids, gets more money than a lot of working people and used them as a means to get housing by having them plastered all over the media. People are now calling bs on it amd asking some obvious question like where the fathers are etc. She is a disgrace. If any of the kids manage to turn out half decent this stigma will follow them for ever. Imagine doing that to your kids.

It turns out that if you have sense of outrage over such leeching you are called a nazi by certain posters and mainstream media outlets.

She is a parasite. We have cut back on vital serivces for the disabled and sick to fund these pigs.

Well done liberal lefty ireland.

22michael44 · 10-08-2018 7:02pm

smelly sock wrote: »

This woman and her lovely fella will be given a house beside some couple struggling to lay a mortgage and get by. Thats fair.

why get mad at her in this situation instead of getting mad about the fact working couples can't afford their mortgage or get by in our society? classic divide and conquer.

irishproduce · 10-08-2018 7:03pm

robarmstrong wrote: »

Haven't read through the thread but this was spreading like wildfire across my Facebook so here's my rant.

She can go f*ck herself, she's been outed with buying ridiculous things, buying a heap load of beer, puts up on Facebook that she was actually offered a house? (not too sure what the story with how that ended up), has bucket loads of kids and carries on like this?

I work full-time. My partner works full time, we just had a baby girl and we had to move back to my parent's house purely because we cannot afford to pay 1200+ a month in rent along with other bills and stuff. We're actively searching for a house to buy and we've been let down (outbidded pure and simple - that's okay) numerous times. We both work to the bloody bone in our jobs, we both are very frugal so we can save as much as humanly possible to give us even more of a chance of getting a house.

I hear stories like this woman's and I have just lost sympathy. It's a struggle to raise one child (depending on your financial situation of course) let alone 6 or f*cking 7. I'm sick and tired of working the bollocks off myself in my job, stressing out over raising a child, stressing over finding a home that I can buy, not leech off the system like so many of these absolute pity-me and me circumstances I just want a home is all but that home has to be close to me mammy and me daddy and me friends and me family.

F*ck off.

Here just don't lose sight of why this woman's story should really gawl you. You don't have extra money for a house, and can't save a few extra euros towards it because the state takes that bit more than it otherwise would if these entitled people weren't showing complete disregard for the sacrifice that you and your partner are making.
No one should lose sight of that fact. You are working harder and missing time with your own family so that Ms. Cash and others like her can relax with their brood.

smelly sock · 10-08-2018 7:04pm

22michael44 wrote: »

why get mad at her in this situation instead of getting mad about the fact working couples can't afford their mortgage or get by in our society? classic divide and conquer.

Because that couple usc,paye prsi etc are so high because of this parasitic behaviour.

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