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The failure of Irish Media to impartially report

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  • 10-08-2018 2:19pm
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    Kivaro
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    RTE is our national broadcaster, but since their existence is protected by law (and politicians) and they are financed by taxing the citizens of this country, we know better than to expect impartial reporting from them. Liberalism can be a good thing sometimes, but RTE takes it to the extreme in their one-sided reporting of all things liberal. It is very disappointing that there is no competing entity in the country to balance this situation.

    But what about the other media outlets in the country?
    There are two sides to every story. There always is.
    Look at the omnipresent Margaret Cash as an example.
    On one hand you have a mother who ended up at a Garda station with her six children because she had no where else to go.
    Definitely something to look at and report on.

    However, what about the other side of the story. Margaret Cash, a criminal with involvement in Traveller gangs who terrorise communities around the country, but still receives approximately €50,000 in tax-free aid every year to support herself and her family. And yet she has ended up homeless ......... at a Garda station. Where is the examination of this aspect of the story?
    There are many other examples of media bias in Ireland.

    Irish media, with the exception of a very few, report the side of the story that will play well with certain political groups in the country; groups who would economically ruin Ireland if they came within a hair's breadth of power. The one-sided reporting of this homeless case is a slap in the face to those who contribute to society in a positive manner and a worse slap in the face who are truly vulnerable in this country.

    Irish Media (in general) have failed the vast majority of the Irish population and they should never be trusted to tell us the truth. They have lost any sense of integrity and if we have any sense we should boycott their advertisers at the very least, and at the very most we should just ignore them. Maybe they know that their time is coming to an end and they are willing to grasp at sensationalist straws in order to stay afloat.


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    TheChizler
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    Surely it was reported at the time, how else would you know about it? Is your issue basically that they are currently reporting the current news story, and not reporting past news stories?


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    enricoh
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    Fair play to all the different government funded charities and quangos, they manage to keep housing in the spotlight, especially rte's
    The ever populist Fianna fail have today said October's budget is to be a housing budget. There goes your tax cut down to a fiver a week while the dole goes up the same- great job! Lash another 500mil at the free gaff crowd on top of that. Then wonder in amazement as more people to join the free gaff list!


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    Wheeliebin30
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    Leo called it correctly a few weeks back about the media in this country.

    The outrage was nauseating.


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    James Brown
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    The move from generally right leaning online commentators to drive a mistrust of mainstream media is worrying. There has always been a bias in reporting. Pointing it out as a reason not to pay attention to the news is a gimmick designed to allow flagrant political cronyism and nest feathering go unchecked IMO.

    We lose tens of millions from poor tax law regarding vulture funds, who exacerbate the housing crisis but fiver on the dole gets the outrage? ffs...


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    PlaneSpeeking
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    The move from generally right leaning online commentators to drive a mistrust of mainstream media is worrying. There has always been a bias in reporting. Pointing it out as a reason not to pay attention to the news is a gimmick designed to allow flagrant political cronyism and nest feathering go unchecked IMO.

    We lose tens of millions from poor tax law regarding vulture funds, who exacerbate the housing crisis but fiver on the dole gets the outrage? ffs...

    B-b-b-but the bankers.....

    Change the record eh ?


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    PlaneSpeeking
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    TheChizler wrote: »
    Surely it was reported at the time, how else would you know about it? Is your issue basically that they are currently reporting the current news story, and not reporting past news stories?

    I think it is more that an obvious hoax was perpetrated for the purposes of gain.

    No one in the media questioned it, just reported it as gospel.

    Journalists are here to report the news yes, but to ensure it is true and accurate and not just repeat a narrative parrot fashion without fact checking.

    If Woodward and Bernstein has the RTE attitude Richard Nixon would be on the US bank notes and have a statue in Washington.


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    For Forks Sake
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    The move from generally right leaning online commentators to drive a mistrust of mainstream media is worrying. There has always been a bias in reporting. Pointing it out as a reason not to pay attention to the news is a gimmick designed to allow flagrant political cronyism and nest feathering go unchecked IMO.

    We lose tens of millions from poor tax law regarding vulture funds, who exacerbate the housing crisis but fiver on the dole gets the outrage? ffs...

    How is this any relevant to the OP?


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    Mr. Incognito
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    I think the difficulty is that the are forced to impartially report without any investigation due to the shorter and shorter news cycles.

    People print the first ill thought out vacouus non offensive crap to fill copy instead of doing any real research or applying any critical analysis.

    Once a certain narrative is presented and repeated it is difficult to row back from

    I love the phrase milk shake duck https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milkshake_Duck

    It describes it perfectly.


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    CeilingFly
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    Journalism as a profession is all but gone.

    The indo group has 3 or 4 journalists, the rest are writes with the aim to create the most sensationalist hysterical headline possible and write a similarly sensationalist story.

    Same applies to most "news"papers. Irish time and business post are two exceptions, but they fall into the hysterical sensationalist trap regularly too.


    It was obvious from the start that the Margaret cash scam was a scam, but the second rate interns that are in the media couldn't see it. A cursory check would have shown the criminal background, the anti social behaviour and the fact that the husband seems to be in prison.


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    PlaneSpeeking
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    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    How is this any relevant to the OP?

    It's not but the "Can Pay Sod Off We're Not Paying That's Your Job" crowd HAVE to shoehorn in as many excuses as possible as to why the lazy workshy scumbags are not to blame.

    Even though they are.


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    Donald Trump
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    Fake News


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    Red_Wake
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    Where can I read about this women's sordid past.


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    Kivaro
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    Red_Wake wrote: »
    Where can I read about this women's sordid past.

    That's the amazing thing RW.
    It was posters on the thread about her on After Hours and on social media that dug up all of this information, including her past criminal history and the abominable-slap-in-the-face-to-workers amount of welfare benefits that she receives every year. Is this the norm for us now to learn the real truth behind these stories?
    Will there be an AH News Desk soon?

    Jokes aside, mainstream Irish media are not to be trusted ..... we will need to seek out the truth ourselves.


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    mikemac2
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    Around the time of the bank crash the Indo reported that AIB staff receive €2,400 every year to join golf clubs, tennis clubs, ride horses & horse-whip taxpayers bla bla

    It was true that an allowance existed but they were stacks of conditions and it wasn’t an easy bonus. Staff pay the subscription and go to HR to claim a percentage. The very top figure was only for senior staff

    Bank staff on low to average pay took a lot of needless abuse and this sort of rabble rousing didn’t help. Take one line from a HR manual and spin it


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    PlaneSpeeking
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    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Around the time of the bank crash the Indo reported that AIB staff receive €2,400 every year to join golf clubs, tennis clubs, ride horses & horse-whip taxpayers bla bla

    It was true that an allowance existed but they were stacks of conditions and it wasn’t an easy bonus. Staff pay the subscription and go to HR to claim a percentage. The very top figure was only for senior staff

    Bank staff on low to average pay took a lot of needless abuse and this sort of rabble rousing didn’t help. Take one line from a HR manual and spin it

    I was told that my Taxsaver ticket was a "perk", even when I pointed out that I do pay for it.

    Pathetic the mental hoops some people jump through to further their agenda.


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    southstar
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    Kivaro wrote: »
    That's the amazing thing RW.
    It was posters on the thread about her on After Hours and on social media that dug up all of this information, including her past criminal history and the abominable-slap-in-the-face-to-workers amount of welfare benefits that she receives every year. Is this the norm for us now to learn the real truth behind these stories?
    Will there be an AH News Desk soon?

    Jokes aside, mainstream Irish media are not to be trusted ..... we will need to seek out the truth ourselves.

    Sounds like a cross between Alex Jones and Captain Kirk.The housing problem is not going anywhere soon regardless of whether this woman is a brazen chancer or not...just keep that in mind


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    PlaneSpeeking
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    southstar wrote: »
    Sounds like a cross between Alex Jones and Captain Kirk.The housing problem is not going anywhere soon regardless of whether this woman is a brazen chancer or not...just keep that in mind

    But without questioning these people how can we be sure of the accuracy of the housing "crisis" ???


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    [Deleted User]
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    If you want the inside story on any news story, particularly local news stories, you are much better off checking it out on boards.ie, P.ie, or the comments section on Joe.ie.


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    [Deleted User]
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    There are some great journalists out there but sadly they are hamstrung by their bosses as to what can be published. I know a few who are disillusioned by their position as journalist as when they go back to their editor with a good concise factual story, it is edited beyond recognition in order not to offend or to affect sales.

    There is no money or value in truth these days. Trump is wrong about a lot but he is right when he talks about fake news.


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    #21
    rizzodun
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    The media is the cause of all our problems.

    How very American....


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    PlaneSpeeking
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    rizzodun wrote: »
    The media is the cause of all our problems.

    How very American....

    Not the cause of all - but when they take scammers at face value and try to make a bad situation worse, they do have a lot to answer for.


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    [Deleted User]
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    rizzodun wrote:
    The media is the cause of all our problems.

    Inaccurate reporting/propaganda is a very real cause of a lot of society's problems as the media we consume shapes our thoughts, beliefs and values. To downplay it's importance is dangerous.
    rizzodun wrote:
    How very American....

    Probably because we consume mostly American media.

    Point proven


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    suicide_circus
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    rizzodun wrote: »
    The media is the cause of all our problems.

    How very American....
    yeah....no one is saying that.

    the issue here is that the media at large are happy to play along with a two bit con artist's pantomime set up because it happens to coincide with a favourite hobby horse of theirs. and guess what. Ms Cash knew they would because of their complete lack of work ethic and integrity. a sad state of affairs for a once honourable trade.


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    topper75
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    The media can either be:

    a. The honest unbiased chroniclers of our times telling it like it is, always seeking truth

    b. Commercial profit-motivated orgs desperately competing for attention and therefore sales

    They can't be both.
    Things are so competitive and in a state of upheaval now, they are pretty much all b.


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    griffin100
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    Driving home tonight and flicking between the radio channels. At the same time RTE1 had a story about the tallaght fraud and how we should all be sorry it happened, Today FM had an piece about how racist we are in Ireland and NewsTalk had a Muslim academic on telling us we need to accept Islamist culture in this country.

    The media has been taken over almost exclusively by social justice warriors. I actually got angry. Journalism is dead in this country.


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    Kivaro
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    RTE had the Margaret Cash story on the 6.1 news again this evening.
    So I was looking at the complaints process (link) at RTE and under the code of practice for the handling of complaints, and at the very top of the section we have this:

    RTÉ is obliged under Section 39 (1) of the Broadcasting Act 2009 to ensure that:
    (a) all news broadcast is reported and presented in an objective and impartial manner and without any expression of the broadcaster's own views.

    There is no way on earth that RTE can claim that the Margaret Cash reporting on yesterday's news was fair and balanced. It was completely partial and with zero objectivity.

    The e-mail address for complaints is here ........ if anyone is interested:
    complaints@rte.ie


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    Atoms for Peace
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    It's bad when a forum in the social & fun section is more incisive than the entirety of mainstream media.


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    kupus
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    Ireland is too small. Too many people are intertwined with other like minded individuals from other industries, old school ties, family ties or neighbourhood ties

    It is like a house of cards, if one falls then they all fall.

    However, in reality if one falls then they circle the wagons and protect each others backs.

    Journalists don't want to rock the boat. If they do they end up out on their ear just like that woman journalist that can only blog these days

    Case in point was the EU coming in during the recession and tell the lawyers to cop onto themselves and lower prices.. like that was going to happen. oh, but we got housing tax, I remember that definitely happening.
    Or when the two biggest competing insurance companies in Ireland decide to NOT insure cars over 10 years....within hours of each other.

    Where was all the investigative journalism then. nowhere they were too busy telling you that water is a divine right and should be free.
    ( Im one of the few people that believe you should pay for the ****ing thing )

    And the sad thing about it. It is never going to change.

    We are basically mushrooms, fed a load of horsesh1t and kept in the dark.


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    DickSwiveller Returns
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    We don't really have journalists in this country. There are a tiny few like Mick Clifford, but overall we have campaigners masquerading as journalists. The level of bias in Irish media is off the wall.


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    Wheeliebin30
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    The media owe Eoghan Murphy and the government an apology over their disgraceful front page headlines which has given Ireland a bad name around the world.

    All based on lies, shame on them and this cash yoke.


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