The failure of Irish Media to impartially report

Silentcorner

RobertKK wrote: »

Most people pay the TV license not because they value RTE, but to avoid hassle and possible jail.

The overall media in the country is a disgrace and how they got educated in journalism has to be questioned as the courses are definitely lacking if this is the type of media we end up with.

The continuing "normalising" of Bertie Ahern is particularly insulting, they clearly regard the general population with contempt, that man should be in jail, not on our tv screens!

For a state to be corrupted (according to the Mahon Tribunal) it requires media complicity.

Hotblack Desiato

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

The 8th Ref was the greatest stitch up of all.

LOL, you just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better!

There was a coordinated email complaints campaign to Newstalk regarding the lack of any questioning of Boylan

These coordinated complaints from the god botherers are pretty creepy.

BAI etc. get hundreds of letters/emails with not just similar phraseology but whole paragraphs copied verbatim. Do these people have an original thought in their head.

Oh and btw not a penny of your tax money goes towards Iona and they get bloody well interrogated on the airwaves.

They get way more airtime than they deserve and they get a soft ride on TV and radio. In the papers both the Irish Times and the Indo give them a weekly column. They get tax relief as they are supposedly a "charity" so in that sense we are subsidising them.

Many taxpayer supported entities backed repeal, zero questioning from media about whether these entities getting involved in a question of constitutional change was appropriate.

Which ones, apart from NWCI?

Coalition to Repeal the 8th, Abortion Rights Campaign etc all raised their money legitimately from Irish donors. The No side can't say that.

The final vote was 2:1.
Amongst journalists and media it was probably closer to 10:1.

Among younger, more educated voters it was 9:1

Dr Brown

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

What??

You’re joking right.

I'm not joking the bail out money put into the banks covered non performing loans.

Any extra money the banks get for those mortgages is just extra profit at this stage.

It won't cost the tax payer anything to let those people stay in their homes.

It would however cost the tax payer if they were thrown out on the streets.

Corby Trouser Press

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

LOL, you just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better!

Pat Leahy of The Irish Times identified the problem succinctly “Campaigners campaign, Journalists do journalism”

The Yes side were cheerlead to the finish by media.

These coordinated complaints from the god botherers are pretty creepy. BAI etc. get hundreds of letters/emails with not just similar phraseology but whole paragraphs copied verbatim. Do these people have an original thought in their head.

You have a problem with the public calling out media bias altogether or just when it goes against your own opinions ?

They get way more airtime than they deserve and they get a soft ride on TV and radio. In the papers both the Irish Times and the Indo give them a weekly column. They get tax relief as they are supposedly a "charity" so in that sense we are subsidising them.

Surplus funds aren’t subject to corporation tax. Iona were virtually the only organization willing to represent the social views of 1/3rd of the electorate on this issue. I think they are well entitled their CT exemption. There was a stack of charitable AND taxpayer funded organizations in the other corner.

Which ones, apart from NWCI?

Coalition to Repeal the 8th, Abortion Rights Campaign etc all raised their money legitimately from Irish donors. The No side can't say that.

Inclusion Ireland, Disability, Refugee council, etc, etc.

All funded by taxpayer and all had media launches supporting repeal that were akin to the launch of an arts festival in how they were reported on.

Among younger, more educated voters it was 9:1

What’s that got to do with media coverage?

On reflection, it was actually more like 20:1 re my 10:1 point earlier.

Hotblack Desiato

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Iona were virtually the only organization willing to represent the social views of 1/3rd of the electorate on this issue.

Iona were only one small part of the No campaign.

The Pheasant2

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/irish-media-has-become-a-lazy-echo-chamber-1.3603352

Good article highlighting the issues of the current echo chamber of Irish media, even if my personal views are in conflict with those of the author

Huexotzingo

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Pat Leahy of The Irish Times identified the problem succinctly “Campaigners campaign, Journalists do journalism”

The Yes side were cheerlead to the finish by media.



You have a problem with the public calling out media bias altogether or just when it goes against your own opinions ?




Surplus funds aren’t subject to corporation tax. Iona were virtually the only organization willing to represent the social views of 1/3rd of the electorate on this issue. I think they are well entitled their CT exemption. There was a stack of charitable AND taxpayer funded organizations in the other corner.




Inclusion Ireland, Disability, Refugee council, etc, etc.

All funded by taxpayer and all had media launches supporting repeal that were akin to the launch of an arts festival in how they were reported on.



What’s that got to do with media coverage?

On reflection, it was actually more like 20:1 re my 10:1 point earlier.

Waah, waah it's all the Dublin liberal™ medias fault.

Hotblack Desiato

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/irish-media-has-become-a-lazy-echo-chamber-1.3603352

Good article highlighting the issues of the current echo chamber of Irish media, even if my personal views are in conflict with those of the author

The lecturer from a Jesuit university - at least he's not clergy, I suppose.

I had the misfortune of reading his articles before and this one is no better written or argued.

Can he concede that there are very good reasons for the hostility we're seeing towards traditional catholicism? Why should the minority with traditionalist views on marriage, abortion, religious education, etc. get to impose their view on everyone else? No one is going to be obliged to get gay married, change sex, have an abortion or send their children to an Educate Together.

There was all sorts of commentary on the 8th amendment, for and against, for years as well as during the campaign, including articles from himself in the bastion of the "liberal echo chamber", the Irish Times.

Kivaro

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/irish-media-has-become-a-lazy-echo-chamber-1.3603352

Good article highlighting the issues of the current echo chamber of Irish media, even if my personal views are in conflict with those of the author

A couple of quotes from the article that highlights the groupthink* of Irish journalists and the Irish media in general:

In a climate of ideological convergence, many journalists can afford to make lazy, ill-thought-out arguments, since they know they are unlikely to be challenged by their colleagues as long as they do not stray too far from the ideological fold.

Ireland’s print, radio and television media, instead of offering a vibrant forum of national debate, have become an echo chamber of a certain segment of Irish opinion. Namely a hodgepodge of “progressive” or “liberal” positions on hot-button issues ....

The remainder of the quote above was specific to hostility towards Catholicism, but I agree with the quote's reference to the almost identical responses by media on liberal-oriented topics.

While the article had a religious-themed undercurrent, the following quote is definitely apt for other social topics in Irish society e.g. welfare reform, manageable levels of immigration, a sense of fairness in Ireland's tax regime and personal taxation, etc.:

A media that moves in ideological lockstep is something we should all be worried about. We all have a stake in the development of an intelligent, thoughtful, informed and engaged citizenry, and in a class of journalists that is intellectually alert and self-critical, and held to account on a regular basis for what they write.

*Groupthink is a psychological phenomenon that occurs within a group of people in which the desire for harmony or conformity in the group results in an irrational or dysfunctional decision-making outcome. (from Wikipedia).

Red_Wake

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/irish-media-has-become-a-lazy-echo-chamber-1.3603352

Good article highlighting the issues of the current echo chamber of Irish media, even if my personal views are in conflict with those of the author

The lecturer from a Jesuit university - at least he's not clergy, I suppose.

I had the misfortune of reading his articles before and this one is no better written or argued.

Can he concede that there are very good reasons for the hostility we're seeing towards traditional catholicism? Why should the minority with traditionalist views on marriage, abortion, religious education, etc. get to impose their view on everyone else? No one is going to be obliged to get gay married, change sex, have an abortion or send their children to an Educate Together.

There was all sorts of commentary on the 8th amendment, for and against, for years as well as during the campaign, including articles from himself in the bastion of the "liberal echo chamber", the Irish Times.

The article isn't about the Referendum buddy, it's about the media. 

The Referendum is only brought up as an example of the media's behaviour. 

No need to foam at the mouth at the mention of the RCC.

The Pheasant2

Red_Wake wrote: »

The article isn't about the Referendum buddy, it's about the media. 

The Referendum is only brought up as an example of the media's behaviour. 

No need to foam at the mouth at the mention of the RCC.

Yeah I really feel the author ****ed up there, should have stuck to the media and not mentioned the church at all as an example - people are now mostly commenting on what he said regarding the church, when really it had nothing to do with the general thesis of the article.

Red_Wake

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Red_Wake wrote: »

The article isn't about the Referendum buddy, it's about the media. 

The Referendum is only brought up as an example of the media's behaviour. 

No need to foam at the mouth at the mention of the RCC.

Yeah I really feel the author ****ed up there, should have stuck to the media and not mentioned the church at all as an example - people are now mostly commenting on what he said regarding the church, when really it had nothing to do with the general thesis of the article.

Any example he gave would have been used to undermine his argument imo.

Hotblack Desiato

Red_Wake wrote: »

The article isn't about the Referendum buddy, it's about the media.

I'm not your buddy, pal.

The Referendum is only brought up as an example of the media's behaviour. 

No need to foam at the mouth at the mention of the RCC.

He's clearly severely butthurt over it, and he's not the only one.

ohnonotgmail

Red_Wake wrote: »

The article isn't about the Referendum buddy, it's about the media.

The Referendum is only brought up as an example of the media's behaviour.

No need to foam at the mouth at the mention of the RCC.

Nice strawman he created there.

Last but not least, an ideologically uniform media erects a public sphere that is dismissive toward the views of a large contingent of voters, raising serious concerns about the inclusiveness of Irish democracy. Unless one believes that the 33 per cent of voters who opposed abortion up to 12 weeks, or the 38 per cent who opposed same-sex marriage, should be stripped of their citizenship, the media’s failure to fairly represent their views should raise alarm bells for any friend of democracy.

The Pheasant2

Seems the media are really not liking Peter Casey's comments and are intent on setting him up as a Trump-like candidate for racists.

Unfortunately for them the public at large don't seem to be buying the narrative they're trying to spin and are mostly agreeing with Casey.

The Journal.ie were removing top comments with thousands of upvotes because they weren't perceived to be the "correct" way of thinking, until they were forced to give up due to the overwhelming majority of comments being in agreement.

This groupthink among journalists is pretty worrying tbh.

Kivaro

Made the mistake of listening to RTE Radio1 early this morning while eating breakfast. Brain Dobson was interviewing an author of a report from UCD that focused on the perception of refugees and social media (twitter mostly).

While the author ascribed negative refugee sentiment on social media to far right posters and far right political parties, I nearly spat out my toast when Dobson asked her the impartial question about the massive assaults/sexual assaults in Cologne on News Year Eve 2015 and how it was social media that brought the attacks on the women to the attention of the world. The UCD "Doctor" responded that this was not the case, and it was the media that first reported the incident in late January and it was later picked up by social media. She then went on to say that the assaults were carried out by Germans.

This is factually untrue; in fact both of her comments are complete lies, but to no surprise Dobson (in supporting the uber-liberalism of RTE) did not challenge her comments, and he immediately followed up her comments by saying: "Yes, and it was Belgian and French nationals who carried out the terrorist atrocities in those countries." He made that comment to support her assertion that Germans (and only Germans) committed the 1,200 or so sexual assaults and other crimes on NYE in Cologne 2015.

Here is the 32 page boards thread on the topic that was started 4 days after the incident, in which it was first reported by a German paper following social media reports. There are numerous links in there that shows that the UCD professor/researcher is telling us a bunch of lies.

So there we have it ladies and gentlemen. History being re-written (incorrectly) so soon after an event, with the falsehoods being propagated by our national broadcaster.

markodaly

Someone should start a facebook page or website called "Media Watch Ireland" so that these lies can be laid bare.

enricoh

Was watching the tonight show on tve Monday night, they were discussing immigration. Kevin sharkey n niall boylan were asking tough questions n were cut off every time they spoke by the hosts matt cooper n anton savage.

Yer one collette brown, A journalist was disgusted that anyone would have any dissent from the group think. A ff and fg td were there too n had the politically correct speak off to a tee.

CrankyHaus

Kivaro wrote: »

Made the mistake of listening to RTE Radio1 early this morning while eating breakfast. Brain Dobson was interviewing an author of a report from UCD that focused on the perception of refugees and social media (twitter mostly).

While the author ascribed negative refugee sentiment on social media to far right posters and far right political parties, I nearly spat out my toast when Dobson asked her the impartial question about the massive assaults/sexual assaults in Cologne on News Year Eve 2015 and how it was social media that brought the attacks on the women to the attention of the world. The UCD "Doctor" responded that this was not the case, and it was the media that first reported the incident in late January and it was later picked up by social media. She then went on to say that the assaults were carried out by Germans.

This is factually untrue; in fact both of her comments are complete lies, but to no surprise Dobson (in supporting the uber-liberalism of RTE) did not challenge her comments, and he immediately followed up her comments by saying: "Yes, and it was Belgian and French nationals who carried out the terrorist atrocities in those countries." He made that comment to support her assertion that Germans (and only Germans) committed the 1,200 or so sexual assaults and other crimes on NYE in Cologne 2015.

Here is the 32 page boards thread on the topic that was started 4 days after the incident, in which it was first reported by a German paper following social media reports. There are numerous links in there that shows that the UCD professor/researcher is telling us a bunch of lies.

So there we have it ladies and gentlemen. History being re-written (incorrectly) so soon after an event, with the falsehoods being propagated by our national broadcaster.

Any academic that focuses on the perception of refugees in social media works in a discipline that adheres to compulsory consensus on these issues. It would be career suicide for an academic to challenge the consensus so such academics simply don't exist, at least not in Irish universities. Academic rigour, unshackled by ideology, may remain in the sciences, particularly hard sciences where they cannot threaten any sacred cows, much as mathematics and chess were safe and popular intellectual pursuits in the USSR.


I noticed the same rewriting of history shortly after the Cologne events. The Irish Times for example first ignored the story, then some time later published some editorial "dismissing" the assertion that the incident was ignored by old media.



While parts of old media still do great work we have long ago passed the point where most of it is unreliable, heavily biased rubbish that new media regularly surpasses for accuracy and honesty.

Chinasea

Is this going to turn into another refugee bashing/racist thread or could it possibly focus on the point which was highlighting the constant leftist media agenda, and in particular the incessant alleged homeless issue.

These imo are two totally separate agenda items.

Richard Hillman

Seen this in the journal this morning (think it was DCU). Basically a student did a report, that doesn't seem to have been conducted from a clean view and the media folk decided "this confirms our world view, let's run with it".

Then the article was accompanied by a picture of an Irish Navy ship rescuing migrants shot from port side. Always port side, never the otherside. We don't want people seeing the Libyan coast in the background.

One of the main discoveries of the report was that hashtag "#Rapefugees" spiked highly after the new year's Eve sex attacks in Germany, Sweden and Finland. Ground breaking stuff.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Seems the media are really not liking Peter Casey's comments and are intent on setting him up as a Trump-like candidate for racists.

Unfortunately for them the public at large don't seem to be buying the narrative they're trying to spin and are mostly agreeing with Casey.

The Journal.ie were removing top comments with thousands of upvotes because they weren't perceived to be the "correct" way of thinking, until they were forced to give up due to the overwhelming majority of comments being in agreement.

This groupthink among journalists is pretty worrying tbh.

The American public didn't buy it with Trump either. The global media as a whole is losing influence.

Mad_maxx

Kivaro wrote: »

Made the mistake of listening to RTE Radio1 early this morning while eating breakfast. Brain Dobson was interviewing an author of a report from UCD that focused on the perception of refugees and social media (twitter mostly).

While the author ascribed negative refugee sentiment on social media to far right posters and far right political parties, I nearly spat out my toast when Dobson asked her the impartial question about the massive assaults/sexual assaults in Cologne on News Year Eve 2015 and how it was social media that brought the attacks on the women to the attention of the world. The UCD "Doctor" responded that this was not the case, and it was the media that first reported the incident in late January and it was later picked up by social media. She then went on to say that the assaults were carried out by Germans.

This is factually untrue; in fact both of her comments are complete lies, but to no surprise Dobson (in supporting the uber-liberalism of RTE) did not challenge her comments, and he immediately followed up her comments by saying: "Yes, and it was Belgian and French nationals who carried out the terrorist atrocities in those countries." He made that comment to support her assertion that Germans (and only Germans) committed the 1,200 or so sexual assaults and other crimes on NYE in Cologne 2015.

Here is the 32 page boards thread on the topic that was started 4 days after the incident, in which it was first reported by a German paper following social media reports. There are numerous links in there that shows that the UCD professor/researcher is telling us a bunch of lies.

So there we have it ladies and gentlemen. History being re-written (incorrectly) so soon after an event, with the falsehoods being propagated by our national broadcaster.

The left have always justified lies if they deem the truth too dangerous.

Mad_maxx

enricoh wrote: »

Was watching the tonight show on tve Monday night, they were discussing immigration. Kevin sharkey n niall boylan were asking tough questions n were cut off every time they spoke by the hosts matt cooper n anton savage.

Yer one collette brown, A journalist was disgusted that anyone would have any dissent from the group think. A ff and fg td were there too n had the politically correct speak off to a tee.

Anytime colette browne is on a panel, she is allowed step in and chair the show if she deems it necessary

Ghastly woman and a disgrace to the Journalists trade

Kivaro

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Seen this in the journal this morning (think it was DCU). Basically a student did a report, that doesn't seem to have been conducted from a clean view and the media folk decided "this confirms our world view, let's run with it".

Then the article was accompanied by a picture of an Irish Navy ship rescuing migrants shot from port side. Always port side, never the otherside. We don't want people seeing the Libyan coast in the background.

One of the main discoveries of the report was that hashtag "#Rapefugees" spiked highly after the new year's Eve sex attacks in Germany, Sweden and Finland. Ground breaking stuff.

Thanks Richard, it was DCU and not UCD.
The lead author of the report was Dr Eugenia Siapera and she was the person who stated live on radio this morning that the perpetrators of the sexual assaults/robberies/beatings etc. in Cologne on New Year's Eve 2015 were German, and that social media did not report the assaults until after the mainstream media reported it almost a month later. Both of her claims are untrue. Maybe she should have looked at the boards thread on the topic that began 4 days after the incident with plenty of verifiable links and posts on the topic.

Spanish Eyes

I don't rate the media much anymore now. They either spout their leftie, righty or right on versions as to how the rest of us should view things and live our lives.

But if you asked them to swap places and live with their world view next door. Silence.

Geuze

https://www.dcu.ie/communications/people/eugenia-siapera.shtml

She is on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/eugeniasiapera?lang=en

Kivaro

Geuze wrote: »

https://www.dcu.ie/communications/people/eugenia-siapera.shtml

She is on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/eugeniasiapera?lang=en

Looking at her bio, she has a lot of reports on multiculturalism, cultural diversity, refugees, and if you need bedroom reading material for tonight, then her paper "Feminist Media Studies Special Issue on Online Misogyny" discusses the internet’s anti-woman spaces.

RTE just love these types of social commentators and they feature them prominently on television and radio. RTE will never dare to air an alternative or opposing view to this type of extreme liberalism.

Ironically enough, the piece after Dr Eugenia Siapera's one-sided interview this morning, was about diversity in the workplace. Brian Dobson was interviewing a person who claimed that since 1 in 6 now residing in Ireland were born outside the country, then we need to do a lot more to increase diversity in the workplace. So buck up Irish people, increase your workplace diversity.

That'll teach me to listen to RTE Radio 1 in the morning (or the afternoon, or the evening).

Fann Linn

Kivaro wrote: »

Thanks Richard, it was DCU and not UCD.
The lead author of the report was Dr Eugenia Siapera and she was the person who stated live on radio this morning that the perpetrators of the sexual assaults/robberies/beatings etc. in Cologne on New Year's Eve 2015 were German, and that social media did not report the assaults until after the mainstream media reported it almost a month later. Both of her claims are untrue. Maybe she should have looked at the boards thread on the topic that began 4 days after the incident with plenty of verifiable links and posts on the topic.

Heard that myself this morning. Basically everything good to come from the refugee industry and MSM is honest and to be believed whilst everything else comes from Far right American alt -right groups with an unfair advantage in numbers and is 'fake news'.

CrankyHaus

Kivaro wrote: »

Ironically enough, the piece after Dr Eugenia Siapera's one-sided interview this morning, was about diversity in the workplace. Brian Dobson was interviewing a person who claimed that since 1 in 6 now residing in Ireland were born outside the country, then we need to do a lot more to increase diversity in the workplace. So buck up Irish people, increase your workplace diversity.

That'll teach me to listen to RTE Radio 1 in the morning (or the afternoon, or the evening).

Being lectured about diversity by RTE (or the IT or any of those dinosaurs) is like being told by Jimmy Saville to leave those kids alone.