So who's going to see the Pope?

Galwayguy35 wrote:

do you want me to give you a hug.

.....said the priest to the alter boy. We all know how that ends.

blazard wrote:

cynic

Realist.

blazard wrote:

tomato/Tomato

Who gives a feck/f**k

blazard wrote:

u do

Not as much as the morons. It's fun though. Takes a few seconds.

DickSwiveller Returns wrote: »

optogirl wrote: »

I don't find it shocking at all that people are negative about the catholic church. They have done a huge amount of harm to a huge amount of people.

And I am sorry but this is such simplistic nonsense. The Church has done harm but it has also done good. What about the people who live alone but great solace from going to mass every week and meeting people. The Priests in Drimnagh go out most nights and visit the sick and elderly. I suppose they're evil incarnate.

Does the good work tip the balance when the harm is taking into account and both being weitht up? You have the good examples brought up in defence of the RCC, the charity and the care taking of those in need. I have a different look at it. The charity is the field where the RCC is playing the role of the meryful and humanitarian, the abuses are the field where the RCC is exercising power upon the weaker and defenceless. This double faced role has been played by the RCC for centuries and it will go on that way as long as it exists. The branches of the Protestant Churches are no better, with dogmatics and even former hate preachers like that late Rev. Ian Paisely in NI who incited the Protestants there against the Catholics and by doing this playing the religious card which as in fact the political power and I really dare say 'racist' card in some ways.

The problems the present Pope faces with his own ideas of Reformation of the RCC in the Vatican Nomenclatura is just another example for the lust of power by the Clerus.

I think that it is hard to part one thing from another, the personality of the Pope himself as a human being and his role as the head of the RCC as they are in fact inseparable due to his office. The latter is reining him in and sets the bounds or Frame in which he can act within.

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The catholic church is an organisation that people choose to be a part of and/or support.

Trying to make an analogy with race based crimes is totally nonsensical.[/quote]

I don't think so because abuse is abuse and there is always a victim that suffers from that, no matter what the religious or racial background.

realdanbreen wrote: »

Children and the most vunerable in society have been , and are being, abused in every conceivable fashion-even as we speak. That abuse is all  around us , in the clergy, in the home, in fact anywhere you care to think of. Human trafficking is at an all time high  and slavery or as near to slavery that makes no difference is rampant throughout the world. But some rather than attempt to do anything about it( is it on the manifesto of any western political party ? ) prefer to try and sate their conscience by pointing  at the Pope  and going tut tut while continuing to buy the merchandise produced by slave and child labour.

What did the RCC do in the past to stop slavery and child labour? What is the RCC doing to stop that today?

To everybody with a wide knowledge of things it is clear that the RCC is no better than their equivalents in politics and other fields of society. One can put all that to one thing, it is all human, the good and the bad because there are no such 'pure' good humans. Everyone of us bears both sides in himself, the good and the bad, depending on the environment and the circumstances one lives in.

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blazard wrote: »

well it was/is a few bad apples, unfortunately they had a lot of power

If you want to rationalise it that way, fair enough...but it shows extreme igorance on your part. You will need very heavy blinkers on you to achieve that delusion.

If you saw the Spotlight movie, you will know that the Spotlight team uncovered 87 priests that had abused children in the Boston archdiocese alone. 249 priests and brothers were publicly accused of sexual abuse in that one diocese. You also have to remember that many of the victims did not come forward or had committed suicide.
They were aided and abetted by a Catholic hierarchy that covered up and moved on abusers again and again without sanction.
The Roman church initially dealt with the victims outside of law courts to avoid public scrutiny and performed major smear campaigns on the good citizens who tried to highlight the abuse. The way the abuse was handled throughout the U.S. was clearly orchestrated from Vatican to minimise exposure and costs.