BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

Short term students are certainly not low value tourists. (Ask any parent who sends kids abroad.)

DB has plenty spare buses during the summer. If it is really possible to pack buses with these hordes paying €1.50 a punter, then DB should be doing more of it, not less.

Bambi wrote: »

Not your bus, it's mine. Tax payer vs employee . The horde doesn't actually affect me, I'm on the bus before these guys and I have really good headphones. Hate to disappoint. The punters you're flying past on griffith avenue and drumcondra road might feel differently though. The people who couldn't get off at their stop because the saloon and stairs were blocked by students might also want a word with you.

But yeah, good luck luring the public out of cars onto meat wagons, credible strategy that.

They're most certainly are not just travelling off peak, there was a trend last year for that but not this year. Bit suspicious of your credentials now tbh.

Interesting to note that the hordes around Trinity are mostly using private transport, perhaps Trinity has that bit more classs.

We need less bottom tier tourists not more, Dublin is at peak tourist, as are many european cities. Quality not quantity required.

Oddy enough,as a fellow Tax-Payer,I hereby claim my share of "my" bus too ....;)

Perhaps your "Really Good" headphones prevent you hearing the request to move down the back or,God forrbid,go upstairs to join Johnny Foreigner :eek: ?

This year,I find the Leaders particularly pro-active,with getting larger groups on board quickly,then doing the Leap Tagging themselves,or approaching the Busdriver to enquire about available space before boarding their charges..all contributing to a somewhat less fraught experience overall.

You can be as suspicious of my credentials as you like,but last week,for example,at 0810 in the morning I was able to clear all intending passengers from Ballymun Road to Dorset St,before any capacity issue arose.

I would also challenge your description of the teenage Foreign Student market as being Low-Rent.
For many years we kept foreign students in our home,and became more than aware of their Family backgrounds,and Low Rent would not be an accurate description of the entire sector.

Remember it's not just the Student that matters,but their broader family & friends who will,hopefully,get the positive feedback from their couple of weeks En Irlanda....assuming,that is,they havent been bitten by a Bambi on the 13 Bus.

To be honest,the most credible strategy for folks who feel mass Public Transit is a bit TOO Public,IS the Private Car or Private Hire route,as long as they are prepared to pay the necessary premium.....Happy Days,as you waft past behind blacked out privacy glass,gesturing contentedly at the "bottom tier"

Bambi wrote: »

The people who couldn't get off at their stop because the saloon and stairs were blocked by students might also want a word with you.

There are many issues with Dublin Bus.

This is not one.

Good news on the new table proposed by Bus Connects. I believe the majority of passengers just need to know how their existing commute will change. Many find the maps confusing and hard to follow, especially when dealing with brand new route numbers.

I hope the forthcoming comparison route table is fair and honest. There are a lot of good changes planned, but there will also be disruption for many commuters. Bus Connects really need to be honest here in highlighting the negatives alongside the benefits. I felt the initial proposal, as good and detailed as it was, really fell short in explaining how existing passengers will now have to make their journey.

Be clear where route frequency is increasing and about the benefits of the new spines, but also be honest where links are being removed and services cancelled.

Bambi wrote: »

No xenophobia, In fact I never mentioned nationality and I quite like the Spanish. Only people who mentioned nationality was yourself and Aleksmart who also seems to have an odd problem with local youngsters but sure no harm there I guess.

"We need less bottom tier tourists"

"Quality not quantity required."


Take your head out of your arse. You might want to take the overwhelmingly negative response to your posts on board when you're considering who is at fault here.

Jarrett wades into the debate, taking on the naysayers head on

https://twitter.com/humantransit/status/1023945189780586496?s=19

https://twitter.com/humantransit/status/1024057148538380289

So it appears the NBRU and Dermot may have been so busy being outraged they haven't gotten around to reading the report.

KD345 wrote: »

Do we know the reason for excluding commuter rail passengers from the new 90 minute fare structure? It seems odd when they are encouraging passengers to use multiple modes to complete journeys. When you consider places like Maynooth, Broombridge and Clonsilla, and changing to Luas or bus to continue your journey but being separate from the fare cap, it throws another obstacle into the Bus Connects project.

A lot of people are asking Transport For Ireland for more information on Twitter following their tweet promoting the 90 minute fare, but they’re not offering any clarity on questions being asked.

It makes no sense really, and from reading the BusConnects report it seems like JW consider this a really important addition but they're not sure if it'll happen or not.



Maynooth is only 3km further away from Connolly than Bray, yet not subject to the same far cost. Maybe they're making too much money from the commuter fares?

spoonerhead wrote: »

I recently got a full time job on the route of the 17 bus, which I’m now using 10-12 times per week. Should I stay in this employment when this bus is taken off the roads, I’ll probably up up paying double for my weekly transport.

Now to get to my point, I could be in the minority who happen to depend on this route. But if my €5:10 fares per day go up would I not be better off getting a car?

Route 17 will be replaced by a number of local and orbital services.

From Rialto, route S2 will serve Herberton Road, Sundrive Road and replace current route 18 towards Sandymount. The D4 will now link Dolphin’s Barn to Crumlin Village.

From Kimmage Road West, route 17 is replaced by new route S4 towards UCD via Terenure, Dartry, Milltown and Clonskeagh.

The section of route 17 between Terenure and Rathfarnham can be linked with routes A3, A4, 16 or 234.

From Rathfranmham, route 17 is replaced by new routes S6 and S7 towards Blackrock, serving Nutgrove, Dundrum, Goatstown and UCD.

You can change as often as you like within 90 minutes and be charged just the one fare.

Where is your start and end point on the 17?

marno21 wrote: »

What I found interesting is one person tweeted him about how bad the reaction in Dublin has been and he replied saying it was worse in some American cities (Houston & Richmond in particular).

hardly surprising tbh. I bet it's the worst reaction he's had anywhere.
Its the same anytime any sort of transport change is mentioned.
Even something as simply a re-routing the 46a out of Monkstown Farm Rd had the whole place in utter meltdown.

nobody, not the press or politicians, bothers to note the positives in these debates, only the negatives and how the poor and vulnerable will be completely devastated by the change. No one ever admits in hindsight either that it all worked out very well, no one lost out and lots of people are better off.

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Darn, just seeing the tweets now. NBRU do not like this at all, at all.

I'm not seeing much positivity or any attitude that suggests that change is needed! Very negative.

it's weird - surely if BusConnects is successful, it'll drive demand for drivers, and thereby more union members for the NBRU?

What is their actual problem?