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Liam Miller - An Irish Solution To An Irish Problem

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  • #32
    grbear
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    I'd be reasonably confident in saying that most of the full time officials involved in running the GAA would have been happy enough to let the original event go ahead in PuC. However, they probably had to come up with solution/fudge to let the event proceed without riling up the more hardline elements of their membership. Ultimately there are still plenty of GAA dinosaurs knocking around at congress level, just look at the tone of discussion when any motion originating from the CPA was discussed this year, so Horan and co needed a solution that didn't give them any grounds to kick up a fuss or hold up the event proceeding.


    I'm just glad to see that a solution has been found. If people want to keep being bitter about the past week then that's their business.


  • #33
    Clareman
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    I don't know of a single GAA person who opposed this game going ahead in PuC, in fact the only negative feedback I heard was why was it taking so long for the go-ahead to be given, I was told it was because 2 of the decision makers were on holidays and they needed to be there to rubber stamp the go ahead of it, this wouldn't have been an issue if they were given notice of the request in advance.


  • #34
    FrancieBrady
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    Brilliant solution. Well done to them all for sorting it out.


  • #35
    Diemos
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    Clareman wrote: »
    The GAA don't have to do anything with their property that they don't want to, fair play to them for finding a solution.

    Couple of questions I have from the whole thing, why can't the FAI have a ground in Cork for an event like this? What's wrong with Musgrave Park for this (the new pitch will be down in time)? Why does there need to be a fund raiser for a professional soccer player? Unfortunately 36 year olds die all the time leaving family behind them, most aren't employed in 1 of the best paid jobs in the world by the biggest club in the world, why can't be the fund raiser be for a far larder audience than just 1 family and a hospice.

    Because the tax payer stumped up a significant portion of the bill. For that stadium.
    When an organisation pays for it's facilities out of it's own cash, it should be able to make up it's own rules but as soon as a takes a euro from the Irish public it needs to make itself more amenable to public needs.


  • #36
    Clareman
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    Diemos wrote: »
    Because the tax payer stumped up a significant portion of the bill. For that stadium.
    When an organisation pays for it's facilities out of it's own cash, it should be able to make up it's own rules but as soon as a takes a euro from the Irish public it needs to make itself more amenable to public needs.

    Great, I can't wait for EVERY ground that receives ANY public money to have a pitch large enough to cater for Gaelic Games, most of the grounds will probably never be needed but they will need to make themselves more amenable to public needs :rolleyes:


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  • #37
    [Deleted User]
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    Did they change legal advisors?

    Or did the legal advisor who told them just last week that it could not go ahead get it wrong?

    Or was it just a bad excuse at the time to fob off the issue?


  • #38
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    Clareman wrote: »
    Great, I can't wait for EVERY ground that receives ANY public money to have a pitch large enough to cater for Gaelic Games, most of the grounds will probably never be needed but they will need to make themselves more amenable to public needs :rolleyes:

    There is a gulf of a difference between having playing facilities that may not suit each and every other sport, and having a ban on other sports.


  • #39
    Niles Crane
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did they change legal advisors?

    Or did the legal advisor who told them just last week that it could not go ahead get it wrong?

    Or was it just a bad excuse at the time to fob off the issue?

    Who the hell cares.

    The match is going ahead, more money will now be raised and if GAA members want they can arrange for congress to vote on getting rid of rule 42 or anything connected with it once and for all and let clubs and county boards do what they want with their grounds.


  • #40
    Hitman3000
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    Deleted User wrote:
    Or did the legal advisor who told them just last week that it could not go ahead get it wrong?


    The thoughts of perhaps having to hand back 30 million of public money may have concentrated their minds.


  • #41
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    Clareman wrote: »
    ...this wouldn't have been an issue if they were given notice of the request in advance.

    They were asked months ago. See twowheelsonly's posts on the other thread.

    I'd say the "off on holliers" excuse is as hollow as the "but...but...legal advice" line from last week.


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  • #42
    Clareman
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did they change legal advisors?

    Or did the legal advisor who told them just last week that it could not go ahead get it wrong?

    Or was it just a bad excuse at the time to fob off the issue?

    No-one told them it couldn't go ahead, they said that they'd need to go to HQ to get a decision, as the "match" was deemed not to be in competition with GAA games AND a GAA match will be played at the same time all the rules are covered.


  • #43
    Clareman
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    So all the outrage is about the €30 million, which to the best of my knowledge was a solo run from the Cork County Board when central council decided that there was no need for such a stadium to be put in place.


  • #44
    Fr Tod Umptious
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Did they change legal advisors?

    Or did the legal advisor who told them just last week that it could not go ahead get it wrong?

    Or was it just a bad excuse at the time to fob off the issue?

    I think the legal advise was mentioned in tegards to people questioning the 30m in funding rather than this specific event.


  • #45
    Diemos
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    Clareman wrote: »
    So all the outrage is about the €30 million, which to the best of my knowledge was a solo run from the Cork County Board when central council decided that there was no need for such a stadium to be put in place.
    You've completely missed the point.
    Did you hear any outrage about the funds when the stadium was planned or built?

    The issue is that a tribute to a local man who represented our country would not be hosted because of the sport he played.


  • #46
    rob316
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    Only ever about getting their piece of the 2m in potential funds. Rules were only a cod.


  • #47
    Hitman3000
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    rob316 wrote:
    Only ever about getting their piece of the 2m in potential funds. Rules were only a cod.


    'Grab All Association ' is not just a catchy phrase.


  • #48
    Clareman
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    Diemos wrote: »
    You've completely missed the point.
    Did you hear any outrage about the funds when the stadium was planned or built?

    The issue is that a tribute fundraiser to a local man who represented our country would not be hosted because of the sport heto played in the fundraiser.

    I fixed your post a bit there. There was no problem with the fundraiser, the problem was with a soccer match being played in a GAA ground, this is against the rules of the association but once it was looked into a bit more details a workaround was found and the game is going ahead.


  • #49
    Clareman
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    rob316 wrote: »
    Only ever about getting their piece of the 2m in potential funds. Rules were only a cod.

    If it was only about the money they'd have opened the place open in the first place for a decent price, then again Cork City Hall maybe laying on the gala dinner for free.


  • #50
    PTH2009
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    So it's In puc and hope all goes well for them. Odd time a 3pm on a Tuesday but might make the trip down. Hope this is the start of a new era where other sports can use GAA stadia

    It will be interesting to see what PUC looks like with a soccer pitch


  • #51
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    So it's In puc and hope all goes well for them. Odd time a 3pm on a Tuesday but might make the trip down. Hope this is the start of a new era where other sports can use GAA stadia

    It will be interesting to see what PUC looks like with a soccer pitch

    Thin it's the only time all the players are available.

    It'll be hard to sell it out, but the controversy may actually benefit it, no need to advertise this one now...


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  • #52
    WanderlustIre
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    So it's In puc and hope all goes well for them. Odd time a 3pm on a Tuesday but might make the trip down. Hope this is the start of a new era where other sports can use GAA stadia

    It will be interesting to see what PUC looks like with a soccer pitch

    Why?

    Gaelic stadiums for Gaelic sports, I believe this is the right decision in the sense of what it is for. But a once off.


  • #53
    smelly sock
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    PTH2009 wrote: »
    So it's In puc and hope all goes well for them. Odd time a 3pm on a Tuesday but might make the trip down. Hope this is the start of a new era where other sports can use GAA stadia

    It will be interesting to see what PUC looks like with a soccer pitch

    Well no. I think the FAI should invest in their own infrastructure and stop leeching off everyone else. They are a parasite.


  • #54
    Hitman3000
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    WanderlustIre wrote:
    Gaelic stadiums for Gaelic sports, I believe this is the right decision in the sense of what it is for. But a once off.

    Let them give back the 30 million so.


  • #55
    dixiefly
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    Maybe this has been asked already here but how is the pitch going to be converted from hurling to soccer between games and what about GAA player availability, most are working or are students?


  • #56
    Clareman
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    dixiefly wrote: »
    Maybe this has been asked already here but how is the pitch going to be converted from hurling to soccer between games and what about GAA player availability, most are working or are students?

    I'd imagine that they might play some kind of 11 a side hurling or something like that done in Chicago earlier in the year. I'd also imagine that they'll have some kind of GOAL Challenge for the GAA game, it'll be easy enough to get 30 retired players to play the Cork hurlers on a Tuesday evening, there was a great crowd in Galway for the match last year for example.


  • #57
    Augme
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    The problem was giving them the €30m of public money and not ensuring there were ironclad guarantees in place that would ensure the stadium would be opened up for community events. But as is typical in Ireland the politicians didn't bother with that.


  • #58
    super_furry
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    rob316 wrote: »
    Only ever about getting their piece of the 2m in potential funds. Rules were only a cod.

    The optics certainly look that way but I think that the GAA were honestly caught off guard by the depth of feeling in Cork about the whole thing and desire to support the Miller family.

    Any other testimonial or charity game and the whole thing would have just blown over, but there's a tragic story here and the GAA kind of painted themselves into a corner with their ham-fisted statements.


  • #59
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Even when trying to save face the GAA manages to let their greed come to the fore.

    You haven't a clue do you?


  • #60
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Augme wrote: »
    The problem was giving them the €30m of public money and not ensuring there were ironclad guarantees in place that would ensure the stadium would be opened up for community events. But as is typical in Ireland the politicians didn't bother with that.

    You'd swear the 30m went into someone's pocket. The GAA have no problem getting funds because it pays to invest in their projects. The fai can't even fund the stadium they have... Croke Park has more than paid for itself in the local economy. Croke Park is worth millions per year to the economy. Puc will return over time. I've experience dealing with the GAA. Their financial planning and projects are rock solid.


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  • #61
    Ash.J.Williams
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    Hitman3000 wrote: »
    Let them give back the 30 million so.

    They have


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