Liam Miller - An Irish Solution To An Irish Problem

WanderlustIre

PTH2009 wrote: »

So it's In puc and hope all goes well for them. Odd time a 3pm on a Tuesday but might make the trip down. Hope this is the start of a new era where other sports can use GAA stadia

It will be interesting to see what PUC looks like with a soccer pitch

Why?

Gaelic stadiums for Gaelic sports, I believe this is the right decision in the sense of what it is for. But a once off.

smelly sock

PTH2009 wrote: »

So it's In puc and hope all goes well for them. Odd time a 3pm on a Tuesday but might make the trip down. Hope this is the start of a new era where other sports can use GAA stadia

It will be interesting to see what PUC looks like with a soccer pitch

Well no. I think the FAI should invest in their own infrastructure and stop leeching off everyone else. They are a parasite.

Hitman3000

WanderlustIre wrote:

Gaelic stadiums for Gaelic sports, I believe this is the right decision in the sense of what it is for. But a once off.

Let them give back the 30 million so.

dixiefly

Maybe this has been asked already here but how is the pitch going to be converted from hurling to soccer between games and what about GAA player availability, most are working or are students?

Clareman

dixiefly wrote: »

Maybe this has been asked already here but how is the pitch going to be converted from hurling to soccer between games and what about GAA player availability, most are working or are students?

I'd imagine that they might play some kind of 11 a side hurling or something like that done in Chicago earlier in the year. I'd also imagine that they'll have some kind of GOAL Challenge for the GAA game, it'll be easy enough to get 30 retired players to play the Cork hurlers on a Tuesday evening, there was a great crowd in Galway for the match last year for example.

Augme

The problem was giving them the €30m of public money and not ensuring there were ironclad guarantees in place that would ensure the stadium would be opened up for community events. But as is typical in Ireland the politicians didn't bother with that.

super_furry

rob316 wrote: »

Only ever about getting their piece of the 2m in potential funds. Rules were only a cod.

The optics certainly look that way but I think that the GAA were honestly caught off guard by the depth of feeling in Cork about the whole thing and desire to support the Miller family.

Any other testimonial or charity game and the whole thing would have just blown over, but there's a tragic story here and the GAA kind of painted themselves into a corner with their ham-fisted statements.

Ash.J.Williams

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Even when trying to save face the GAA manages to let their greed come to the fore.

You haven't a clue do you?

Ash.J.Williams

Augme wrote: »

The problem was giving them the €30m of public money and not ensuring there were ironclad guarantees in place that would ensure the stadium would be opened up for community events. But as is typical in Ireland the politicians didn't bother with that.

You'd swear the 30m went into someone's pocket. The GAA have no problem getting funds because it pays to invest in their projects. The fai can't even fund the stadium they have... Croke Park has more than paid for itself in the local economy. Croke Park is worth millions per year to the economy. Puc will return over time. I've experience dealing with the GAA. Their financial planning and projects are rock solid.

Ash.J.Williams

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Let them give back the 30 million so.

They have

Ash.J.Williams

Hitman3000 wrote: »

'Grab All Association ' is not just a catchy phrase.

In fairness it's a phrase usually used by idiots

WanderlustIre

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Let them give back the 30 million so.

That's your retort. There was no conditions around PUC being renovated that included sports outside the GAA had to be allowed play.

It's a gaelic ground for Gaelic sports.

Pauliedragon

Why do people keep going on about the FAI should own a stadium big enough to hold this? Very few of any own stadiums. The English FA are looking to sell the only one they own. Most stadiums around the world are either privately owned by clubs or run by local government. To suggest the FAI should own multiple stadiums is crazy. The lOI clubs have a multi billion Euro competitor next door plus several other much bigger leagues to compete with in Europe alone. A country our size with multiple sports can't have 10k plus stadiums run by the governing body. Who comes up with this?

Ash.J.Williams

Yeah that's grand but the GAA do own stadiums, it's just the way it is.

Rhys Essien

WanderlustIre wrote: »

That's your retort. There was no conditions around PUC being renovated that included sports outside the GAA had to be allowed play.

It's a gaelic ground for Gaelic sports.

Not true.The EU had to approve the government grant and they recommended that the stadium should not be discriminatory and opened to other groups,sports etc.Google it.

Ash.J.Williams

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Not true.The EU had to approve the government grant and they recommended that the stadium should not be discriminatory and opened to other groups,sports etc.Google it.

But you must follow the process

jackboy

WanderlustIre wrote: »

It's a gaelic ground for Gaelic sports.

They got the government funding as part of the rugby world cup bid. So, actually it was not redeveloped for Gaelic games.

rob316

"The GAA, no to foreign sports!"**








**Unless we benefit from them.

WanderlustIre

Rhys Essien wrote: »

Not true.The EU had to approve the government grant and they recommended that the stadium should not be discriminatory and opened to other groups,sports etc.Google it.

Show me the conditions that it was issued on. They are not there.

eagle eye

I'll tell you a little story from way back, 1991 to be exact.
I was at the gate going into a Connacht semi-final. A man ahead of me was carrying his young child who I'd guess was maybe three years old. He paid his money but was told by the man on the stall that he had to pay for the child as well. The man didn't have the money to pay for his child and was told the child couldn't go in unless he paid for him.
I intervened and paid for the child.

That ahole on the stall is a typical GAA type, a thick, stupid man who just goes along with stupid rules without ever thinking of the world from a broader standpoint.

I got very fed up of all the idiotic rules many years ago. I have no involvement with a club anymore, I go to the odd game nowadays, even though it pains me to give money to the gaa, but used to go to almost every game my county played annually.

The day I see a good man in charge with a bit of intelligence who has a realistic view of the wider picture I'll seriously contemplate getting involved again.

This whole fiasco could have been avoided if the thick, stupid types had not been involved.

Hitman3000

Ash.J.Williams wrote:

They have

When?

Hitman3000

WanderlustIre wrote:

That's your retort. There was no conditions around PUC being renovated that included sports outside the GAA had to be allowed play.

Have a look at state funding rules as set down by the EU.

Hitman3000

Ash.J.Williams wrote:

In fairness it's a phrase usually used by idiots

Maybe, but it's still a fairly accurate description.

WanderlustIre

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Have a look at state funding rules as set down by the EU.

I can tell you now no where does it mention football needs to be played. It was issued under a directive regarding infrastructure for a sporting association and it ain't the FAI.

P_1

I'd be curious to know how much of a take the injured players fund will take from the gate here. Don't get me wrong it is a fantastic cause but I would be wary of them piggybacking on the hospice fundraiser which could potentially turn into another PR nightmare for the GAA.

Hitman3000

WanderlustIre wrote:

I can tell you now no where does it mention football needs to be played. It was issued under a directive regarding infrastructure for a sporting association and it ain't the FAI.

No specific sport is mentioned but if public funds are used, discrimination towards other sports is not allowed. The GAA can of course pay back the 30 million and the requirement is removed.

Okon

WanderlustIre wrote: »

Gaelic stadiums for Gaelic sports, I believe this is the right decision in the sense of what it is for. But a once off.

It is the right decision for this occasion, but most of us don't have a problem with showing off our lovely stadium on the banks of the Lee to others either... as long as it doesn't affect our own teams.

The GAA are the pillars of the community and we in Cork are proud of Páirc Uí Chaoimh, so it should be used how our CB see fit without having rules imposed on it by HQ. If that meant more non-GAA community events, if they were acceptable to our CB, so be it.

WanderlustIre

Okon wrote: »

It is the right decision for this occasion, but most of us don't have a problem with showing off our lovely stadium on the banks of the Lee to others either... as long as it doesn't affect our own teams.

The GAA are the pillars of the community and we in Cork are proud of Páirc Uí Chaoimh, so it should be used how our CB see fit without having rules imposed on it by HQ. If that meant more non-GAA community events, if they were acceptable to our CB, so be it.

GAA isn't autonomous. The CB operates under the guidelines set by HQ. I believe the sport is so successful because of that

dixiefly

P_1 wrote: »

I'd be curious to know how much of a take the injured players fund will take from the gate here. Don't get me wrong it is a fantastic cause but I would be wary of them piggybacking on the hospice fundraiser which could potentially turn into another PR nightmare for the GAA.

I dont think the GAA are looking for anything out of the funds raised.

WanderlustIre

dixiefly wrote: »

I dont think the GAA are looking for anything out of the funds raised.

No but it suits peoples agenda to hammer the GAA, so sounds better if they are.

P_1

dixiefly wrote: »

I dont think the GAA are looking for anything out of the funds raised.

Ah that's fair enough. The reporting was unclear on what was going to happen in that regard. Not using it as a stick to beat anyone with, just pointing out another potential PR nightmare that could be on the horizon.

gormdubhgorm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Even when trying to save face the GAA manages to let their greed come to the fore.

Hitman3000

Deflection gorm....?

gormdubhgorm

rob316 wrote: »

"The GAA, no to foreign sports!"**








**Unless we benefit from them.

You must have been in a coma for over a decade?

gormdubhgorm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Deflection gorm....?

No it just shows how ridiculous your comment is.

The GAA are willing to open thier stadiums to other sports if is agreed.

Like Croke Park for example.

In complete contrast to the FAI who delberatly made the ground smaller so it would not be suited to Gaelic games.

The AVIVA was originally supposed to be a stadium for all sports, but that idea was quickly shelved.

Also you seem to be implying that the GAA are trying to make money out of this.

Not true.

The GAA are always willing to help those less fortunate in society.

Plus they are willing to help less fortunate sporting organisations like the FAI.

Hitman3000

gormdubhgorm wrote:

No it just shows how ridiculous your comment is.

In your opinion, still deflection though. The GAA scored a spectacular own goal this week in terms of bad publicity.

NIMAN

The GAA will sell out their stadia for the Rolling Stones or Garth Brooks concerts, but when it comes to letting a football charity game be played to help an Irish family, they start chatting about the Brits banning Gaelic games 100 years ago.

Why do us Irish love looking into the past so much?

As long as gaelic stadia are built with tax payers contributing to the cost, they don't get to veto everything, but that's my opinion. Many won't agree with it. If they want to veto everything and own the stadia for themselves, then build them WITHOUT my money.

gormdubhgorm

jimd2 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-games/liam-miller-tribute-match-set-to-go-ahead-at-pirc-u-chaoimh-alongside-hurling-curtain-raiser-37162619.html

So the GAA see the only way out of this mess is to play an additional hurling game to make it into a community event.

Considering that they are organising a meeting of Central Council could they not just consider the request given and support the fundraiser and not try to implement this hotch potch of a solution?

And then as appropriate arRange proper GAA fundraisers good GAA related causes.

In my mind it's just over complicating things and seems to outsiders to be doing the minimum to take Shane Ross and other politicians that control the purse strings off their backs.

I do not agree with Duff that they are dinosaurs. I just feel that in Tom Ryan they appointed a very "safe" director general who is afraid to make a brave decision. Joe Brolly predicted this when he was appointed. It doesnt bode well for the association going forward.

Message to GAA JUST GIVE PERMISSION FOR THE GAME AS REQUESTED AND GET ON WITH IT.

I agree with what you say about the Duff comments, and the DG.

But I have a number of issues to this post.


1) The title of the thread 'An Irish Solution to an Irish Problem' : what problem?

The organisers were more then willing to play the game in turners cross.
Until those with various agendas some altrustic and some not created a furore when they found out PUC was initially denied

2) What is wrong with the GAA setting up a charity game for the Liam Miller tribute with the money going to the hospice.
Is GAA money not legal tender or something?

gormdubhgorm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

In your opinion, still deflection though. The GAA scored a spectacular own goal this week in terms of bad publicity.

What you mean it even overshadowed


http://www.punditarena.com/irish-football/smcmahon/bray-wanderers-players-sale-club-unable-pay-wages/

https://www.dublinlive.ie/sport/bray-wanderers-pay-outstanding-debts-14929283

And the like?

If it was that was very cleverly done, clap, clap.

Hitman3000

gormdubhgorm wrote:

The organisers were more then willing to play the game in turners cross. Until those with various agendas some altrustic and some not created a furore when they found out PUC was initially denied

It was a reporter who asked at the press conference why the game was not being held in PUiC. The storm broke from then.
Take off your tin foil hat it's on too tight!

Hitman3000

gormdubhgorm wrote:

If it was that was very cleverly done, clap, clap.

Must check the thread title again...

Johnnycanyon

Well holy God, soccer being played on the sacred sod..They will probably get a few priests in to bless the pitch when the Invaders are gone.

gormdubhgorm

NIMAN wrote: »

Many won't agree with it. If they want to veto everything and own the stadia for themselves, then build them WITHOUT my money.

This really makes me laugh, the GAA are not a charity organisation.
But they funnel the majority of thier fund's back into the game

Plus they OWN the stadiums it is thier right to do with them what they wish.

They have already let 'the sporting homeless' the FAI into Croke park.

The way you are talking you would swear no other organisation gets stadiums part funded by the state.

A very blinkered attitude.

Maybe the GAA should let the FAI play all thier games in GAA stadiums for free since it is them are in far more dire straits then any charity through thier own mismanagement?

Because the FAI needs far more serious help then the Miller Tribute/Hospice.

The FAI should set up thier own charity after this!

Amalgam

RTE News: Govt spokespeople 'unhelpful' on issue of Miller game - Horan

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0728/981665-gaa-miller-govt/

Strange interview, not the best photo to use either..

gormdubhgorm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

It was a reporter who asked at the press conference why the game was not being held in PUiC. The storm broke!

I have already said this.

Yourself and your 'type' created the storm, it had little to do with charity motives I suspect.

munchkin_utd

dixiefly wrote: »

I dont think the GAA are looking for anything out of the funds raised.

The GAA president in an interview in the Irish independent just said that all takings go to the match organisers who decide where the cash goes.
So, aside from a few lads pucking about before the soccer game, it seems like the Liam Miller game is happening in the stadium with no conditions.
If it were a club game involving Eire Og I think it’d be especially fitting but OFlynn from the organising committee (and prominent supporter of eire og) couldn’t say what was likely for the hurling game when he was on newstalk this morning.
He also said there’s a meeting to figure out ticketing issues on Monday so it’ll be a few days before there’s an announcement on that.

gormdubhgorm

Amalgam wrote: »

RTE News: Govt spokespeople 'unhelpful' on issue of Miller game - Horan

https://www.rte.ie/news/2018/0728/981665-gaa-miller-govt/

Strange interview, not the best photo to use either..

It was a bad photo alright.

But what he is implying is that people saw it as opportunity for some to attack the GAA when they had the chance.

In a way I am glad of it.

I hope the GAA get more clued up on social media as a result of this, and be ready for the snakes in grass with mean-spirited motives.

It might even make them change thier structure a bit so they can make decisions quicker.

gormdubhgorm

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Must check the thread title again...

The title is misleading as well there was no initial problem

The orgainisers were ready to use Turner's Cross a soccer ground, for a soccer charity game.

Then this problem was manufactured by others which had nothing to do with the charity.

If the sole issue was about more money for the charity Croke Park would be used no problem.

eagle eye

gormdubhgorm wrote:

Plus they OWN the stadiums it is thier right to do with them what they wish.

How muchiney have they got from the taxpayer over the years?

Edgware

At least Duff can go back to coaching the Rovers U 15 on the pitch paid for by the taxpayer